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Why does everybody talk s--- about government jobs?

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A lot of people complain about government jobs because the "front line" of the government - the ones that interact with the public - are (in my experience) usually the ones that aren't all that bright, and are tired of working with the incompetence of the general public (yes, even the stupid ones realize that the general public's stupidity is second to none).

I hit my 5-year service anniversary with the government a few months ago; I'm 24 years old right now. The office that I work for (that is, the entire hierarchy under the single elected official to which we report) runs very well, and there is no doubt in my mind that we have the brightest employees of all of the departments in our local government. There are a couple of people that are fairly clueless, and are in way over their heads, but you have that in *every* office - public or private - and time will eventually take care of them (they'll be fired or resign; not promoted). I'm extremely proud to have my current position -- it pays well and the benefits are decent. That said, we're not immune to layoffs, budget cuts, etc. Some counties are going bankrupt, employees are quitting or being let go, etc. We aren't to that point right now, but we might be next year. I don't think that I will personally be touched by any cost-savings measure (nor anyone else in our IT sub-department), but there's no guarantee of that.

The last two government jobs I had, however, were nearly the opposite of my current office. Few people had any idea that the world was round, much less what it was they were supposed to be doing. They were almost all overpaid and underworked. My contempt for those offices grew extremely quickly, and I got out of them at the next point that I felt would be beneficial for me in the long-run. Part of me does feel sorry - still - for the last agency I worked for, because only 1 out of their 10 employees (that one being my former assistant) has any idea what it is that needs to be done to make the office keep going for the long-haul, and she doesn't have the authority to order it be done.

In my not-in-the-least-bit-humble opinion, the nation needs to reinvent our political parties, and it has to happen at the LOCAL level, and work up, because the locals are the ones with the most direct impact on citizens, and they also are generally the most clueless ones.
 
"A government bureau is the closest thing to eternal life we'll see on this earth."
-Ronald Regan.
 
Because government workers do about 1/5 of the work of normal workers, and normal workers do about 1/5 of the work of good workers.
 
Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I'm working for the state government (young). I'm doing a Lead programmer analyst position. I'm paid pretty well and they are paying for my Masters. When I tell peopl I work for the government they commonly change face. I'm learing a lot and with everything included I"m doing pretty well. What is the discrimination against governement jobs????

You're overpaid and underworked. Government jobs are good for the employees, but horrible for the taxpayer.


I'd say thats untrue.

My mom worked for the government for 20 years. We lived in a rural area so if I had a doctors appt I would ride in with her. I went to work with her a few times.

I never saw anyone just standing around. The place was like an ant hill.

She left that job for a job at Pan Am. For her it was like a vacation.
 
Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I'm working for the state government (young). I'm doing a Lead programmer analyst position. I'm paid pretty well and they are paying for my Masters. When I tell peopl I work for the government they commonly change face. I'm learing a lot and with everything included I"m doing pretty well. What is the discrimination against governement jobs????

Because government employees can't spell or use proper grammar?

my exact thought after reading this
 
Originally posted by: Cogman
Originally posted by: Hacp
Originally posted by: steppinthrax
I'm working for the state government (young). I'm doing a Lead programmer analyst position. I'm paid pretty well and they are paying for my Masters. When I tell peopl I work for the government they commonly change face. I'm learing a lot and with everything included I"m doing pretty well. What is the discrimination against governement jobs????

You're overpaid and underworked. Government jobs are good for the employees, but horrible for the taxpayer.

Amen, the standards for a government employee are usually fairly low. Because of those low standards it usually doesn't reflect well when that is the job you say you have. Not the mention the fact that once you have a government job it is almost impossible to be fired from it.


Hate to break it to you, but our standards, FED level, are very high. I am doing staffing issues right now and when I go through a resumes I cut out a lot of people as they don?t meet our standards. These are lawyers, master degrees, etc... and they still don?t make the cut.

For all those that think Gov work is easy apply and see if you can even get a job. I bet most here would not meet the min. standards, let alone be able to beat out others. I also had to take a pay cut to get my job. after 2 years I am maybe a little higher paid but the cost of living near most major Fed. Gov sites is high.
 
Originally posted by: dbk
i just got a govt job

Where at? I think you're in the DC area too. I'm shopping for a govt job, although not entirely serious about leaving my current company.
 
I've worked for the municipal government, and interviewed fro a provincial one. Being IT with the muni, I got to meet over a thousand people, and very few of them seemed incompetent/stupid. Even when I'm job surfing, the government requirements look pretty high.

Now, if we want to talk bad, my impression of private sector employees under government contracts is bad. The 'non-profit' shithole I worked at for 3 years also had a disproportionate number of terrible employees.
 

Because the continually expanding obligation to keep you people paid is why the deficit/debt in this country never decreases, and why the government is more and more often seen as the entity which needs to fix everyone's problems.

Personal responsibility, heaven forbid.

Gov't getting too large = always bad.
 
Originally posted by: mozirry
as a gov employee, we are underpaid but not necessarily overworked, I would say the market pays a gov employee lower then what a private comp. would for same exact work

That was crossed halfway through 2008...

For the first time in US history, in 2008, government employees made on average higher salaries than private sector employees. Fucking scary if you think about it.

And, government employees are generally shitty employees who wouldn't make it in the private workforce. There are exceptions - and OP may be one of them.. but still, you haven't seen awful government employees until you need anything processed by the courthouse.. or go to the DMV.
 
Originally posted by: ja1484

Because the continually expanding obligation to keep you people paid is why the deficit/debt in this country never decreases, and why the government is more and more often seen as the entity which needs to fix everyone's problems.

How does the government's need to pay its employees morph into the reason it is often seen as needing to fix everyone's problems? To me, those are two completely separate issues.

And, IMO, if you want fewer people on payroll in the government, demand fewer services, and get lawmakers to repeal laws that require extraordinary numbers of employees be hired in order to comply with those laws.

Originally posted by: brxndxn
...you haven't seen awful government employees until you need anything processed by the courthouse.. or go to the DMV.

Do you always judge the quality of an organization using its least paid clerks and secretaries, that have to deal with public incompetence day-in and day-out, as a baseline?
 
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