Why does COD get crapped on every year but not NBA 2K?

futurefields

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NBA 2K releases nearly the same game every year with a slight tweak in the control scheme and a roster update.

You could argue the makers of COD have to create a lot more new content year over year than those 2K guys. Yet 2K games are always reviewed in the high-80's if not low-90's whereas COD is lucky to get a 75 nowadays.
 

shortylickens

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Nobody even cares enough about sports games to talk about them.

I still play PGA Tour 2004 cuz its the best one.
 

Majcric

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NBA 2k is not as mainstream as COD, so peoples expectations are much higher. but if you've noticed they're (reviews) starting to crackdown on 2k and both the show if I may add for the same recycled material.
 
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futurefields

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NBA 2k is not as mainstream as COD

well to be fair, the only games that outsell COD are GTA. so almost nothing is AS mainstream as COD but to consider 2k not mainstream is ridiculous, its one of the most mainstream series of videogames period. its about as mainstream as it gets tbh...
 

Lil Frier

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1. I talked down about NBA 2K14 because of the VC, though not because of a lack of improvements.

2. Everyone who gets a sports game know that you can't REALLY change the rules of the NBA--the game is still the same, so graphical tweaks, roster updates, and maybe an obscure, new game mode is about all they can do.

3. CoD manages to look the same and feel stale with two different groups working on the game each year. MW2 and MW3 were 2 years apart, yet felt very similar.

4. NBA 2K needs crapped on because of the issue with having the worst servers of any publisher ever, not because the product is stale.

5. NBA 2K releases with more polish and consistency than CoD whose very basic aspects (hit detection, particularly on melee attacks) has been broken for 5 years or more.
 

Bman123

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I'm sorry but both companies released this last game on the new and old systems. Which company made a totally different game for the new systems? I rest my case
 

Sulaco

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NBA 2K follows the game of basketball, specifically, the National Basketball Association, mimicking it's yearly "seasons".

Fans of basketball simulations are looking for the most realistic interpretation of the NBA; from the on-court game, to the managerial side, and everything in between, it is made to mimic the real life sport as closely as possible. And the real life sport has a new season every year. Hence, a new game released in tandem with said season is not at all unfathomable.

If you have to ask why they would do that, and not just release free updates to the rosters for a few years, I'd suggest a remedial Intro to Economics course at your local community college.
 

gorcorps

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You must have missed those threads then. Sports games are a constant source of frustration given that you're forced into getting a brand new game every year just to keep your roster current. It's mostly EA games that are blamed for this, but sports games have been ripped on for a while now.

The big difference though is that there isn't as much in a sport to change as there is a shooter. Sure you have to get the animations down for the new players, and you have to make sure you have all of the rosters right, but there isn't much you can change. The arenas are the same, the game is the same, the camera angles remain the same because they're usually based on watching it on TV, etc. It's refreshing to see a new mode or a tweak to the controls but in general they don't NEED to change as much.

Shooters are different. The only constant is that you're in 1st person view and you have a gun. Everything else can be changed... the environment, the type of guns, whether or not you get to use vehicles and what vehicles you use, etc. So when things feel stale in the shooter world, it's because the devs didn't branch out. There's no rules to stop them... Call of Duty was a WW2 shooter until CoD4 when they decided to branch out, and it's been absolutely dominant ever since. CoD4 showed that you can radically change the environment, weapons, time period, and multiplayer setup to give a boost to the series. There hasn't been anything like that since so it feels stale.

Sports don't have that freedom, so they're excused a bit for recycling. The last huge change I remember in a sports game was when NHL09 broke the mold and used your right analog stick for deking and shooting. The result was so intuitive and different it changed how hockey was played on the consoles. Nothings really changed since then though.
 

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Why does COD get crapped on every year but not NBA 2K?
The original question is flawed. Simply because COD does not "get crapped on" every year. Ghosts and BO2 didn't fare so well... But certainly not every year.

Check out the Metacritic scores:

2007 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare = 94
2009 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 = 94
2010 Call of Duty: Black Ops = 88
2011 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 = 88

2013 NBA 2k14 = 85
2012 NBA 2K13 = 90
2011 NBA 2K12 = 90
2010 NBA 2K11 = 89
2009 NBA 2K10 = 83
 

gorcorps

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The original question is flawed. Simply because COD does not "get crapped on" every year. Ghosts and BO2 didn't fare so well... But certainly not every year.

Check out the Metacritic scores:

2007 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare = 94
2009 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 = 94
2010 Call of Duty: Black Ops = 88
2011 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 = 88

2013 NBA 2k14 = 85
2012 NBA 2K13 = 90
2011 NBA 2K12 = 90
2010 NBA 2K11 = 89
2009 NBA 2K10 = 83

And even that isn't so cut and dry. I had more fun with BO2 than most of the other CoDs, but a lot of people didn't like it which is fine.
 

poofyhairguy

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COD gets crapped on not because that actual franchise has constant releases, but because it represents the entire genre of dude bro FPSes that have come to dominate hardcore console gaming. As it seems everytime we turn around there is another dude bro FPS, which feels like another COD.

Another big issue is the obsession with comparing COD ports and the quality of COD ports. That makes each port feel like a new release.

If anything it is a compliment. Halos, Gears of Wars, etc. don't have the same brand value.
 

exdeath

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Sports games and RPGs/Pokemon are niche. People don't try to make every other game be like NBA 2K or Pokemon.

To each their own really, it's just that Call of Duty and mainstream FPS popularity affects all other genres and game types so people tend to hate them more.

Resident Evil tried to appeal to Call of Duty players not NBA 2K or Pokemon players. So people are tired of Call of Duty and it's taint.
 
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purbeast0

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im not sure where you have been, but there are PLENTY of people who talk about how un-innovative sports games are year in and year out. any discussion of madden is 95% people saying "its the same game as last year" even though none of them have played it in over a decade.
 

Dumac

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Because CoD has a much larger impact on the industry. Many more games are turned CoD like in an attempt to broaden sales. Many developers actively compromise their game to reach the 'CoD audience'.

The same isn't true for sports games.

Look at:
Bioshock
Skyrim
Dragon Age 2
 

Lil Frier

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im not sure where you have been, but there are PLENTY of people who talk about how un-innovative sports games are year in and year out. any discussion of madden is 95% people saying "its the same game as last year" even though none of them have played it in over a decade.

Semi-true, yeah. However, I think that people are less-likely to skip Madden because of a lack of innovation, because it's still football, and they still want to have their game when the season starts. I haven't purchased it since Madden 08, but that is because I hate EA, not because I felt that the franchise was stale.

In a perfect world, they'd sell one game every 3-5 years, with a $20 charge for the next season's rosters. THAT is a DLC pack I'd actually agree with and purchase.
 

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Semi-true, yeah. However, I think that people are less-likely to skip Madden because of a lack of innovation, because it's still football, and they still want to have their game when the season starts. I haven't purchased it since Madden 08, but that is because I hate EA, not because I felt that the franchise was stale.

In a perfect world, they'd sell one game every 3-5 years, with a $20 charge for the next season's rosters. THAT is a DLC pack I'd actually agree with and purchase.

Madden is generally best (if you don't play online) picking it up every other year. And even then, the difference between say Madden 13 and Madden 25 is pretty vast (even on previous gen platforms). And stepping up to the next gen is a big difference.
 

Dumac

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The wife played Skyrim entirely in third-person mode. She couldn't stand the first person POV.

That may be true, but the Elder Scrolls series has dropped most of its complexity and depth in order to pull in the dudebro crowd. Skyrim is basically an FPS with sword when played in first person.

Another example would be Fallout 3.
 

poofyhairguy

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Heck even Final Fantasy XIII got "inspiration" from COD. It has completely shaped the industry and has created an expectation of exactly what a hardcore game is.

In fact you can easily say COD and WOW are the most influential games the last 10 years, which is coincidentally the exact time period when I stopped giving a crap about mainstream games.
 

futurefields

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The original question is flawed. Simply because COD does not "get crapped on" every year. Ghosts and BO2 didn't fare so well... But certainly not every year.

Check out the Metacritic scores:

2007 Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare = 94
2009 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 = 94
2010 Call of Duty: Black Ops = 88
2011 Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3 = 88

2013 NBA 2k14 = 85
2012 NBA 2K13 = 90
2011 NBA 2K12 = 90
2010 NBA 2K11 = 89
2009 NBA 2K10 = 83

Whyd you stop at 2011 for COD?

Also... user score.
 

Lil Frier

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I maintain that 2011 is when the troll ratings really started. Battlefield 3 came out, and the fanboys for that game started flooding the CoD pages with bad ratings. Ever since then, I don't put any weight into the ratings of either franchise.
 

Wingznut

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Whyd you stop at 2011 for COD?

Also... user score.
No, those are based on critics scores. Also, I clarified that Ghosts and BO2 didn't do well.

You said "every year", I just pointed out that it's not "every year". Perhaps if you meant "since 2012", you should've said that.
 

marrr

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Does anyone here remember NFL2k5?? It was released for $20, but then EA bought the exclusive rights to the NFL.
ESPN NFL 2K5 was the first in the 2K series priced at $19.99 the day it shipped, much lower than market leader Madden NFL at $49.99. This greatly reduced Madden sales that year; one EA Sports developer recalled that "t scared the hell out of us".[2] EA reduced Madden NFL 2005's price to $29.95. In December 2004 EA Sports acquired an exclusive rights agreement with the NFL and NFLPA to be the sole creator of NFL video games.[3] The deal terminated 2K Sports production of any further NFL games. The ensuing season, Madden 2006, saw pricing returned to the $49.99 MSRP.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ESPN_NFL_2K5