Why do you think it's better to have a monopoly on force?

[Juror No. 8]

You are the one trying to invent something about a centralized military, so back it up with something.

LOL, you're reading comprehension challenged too, I see.

 

[DCal430]

I don't understand it because a monopoly on force means centralized aggression.

In the long term, there would be less aggression committed if there were more sovereigns. In spite of that, most people still want there to be territorial monopolies on force. Why?

For example, the so-called Holy Roman Empire was largely confederalized and it was mostly only the kings who fought each other. The people didn't get dragged into it.

Who do you think fought in the battles? Just the two Kings? No it was the subjects (the people) who fought and died in these battles.

 

[IronWing]

I'd take a four year Civil War over a thirty year Thirty Years War any day.

 

[mistercrabby]

I don't understand it because a monopoly on force means centralized aggression.

In the long term, there would be less aggression committed if there were more sovereigns. In spite of that, most people still want there to be territorial monopolies on force. Why?

For example, the so-called Holy Roman Empire was largely confederalized and it was mostly only the kings who fought each other. The people didn't get dragged into it.

Dude, your premise has a couple of assumptions that require some inspection.

First, monopoly on force doesn't necessarily mean aggression. I'm the strongest in my family, but i don't beat my kids. The local police have guns and radios and in my part of the world, protect us.

Second, what is the "more sovereigns" claim? Think WW1. Lots of powerful states crammed into Europe. WW2, pretty much the same, only add asia.

Third, "the people didn't get dragged into it"? Really? They are the ones that usually suffer the most. Kings, warlords and generals don't typically do the dirty work, its the poor shlub with an acre and a farm house that gets burned out by some other conscripted shlubs from the next valley over. Can't think of one historical example where two kings went mono a mono and left the peasants out of it.

give it another think

 

[CitizenKain]

LOL, you're reading comprehension challenged too, I see.

So nothing, wouldn't expect anything else from you. Kids like you have the silliest ideas when they get on the internet.

 

[Juror No. 8]

So nothing, wouldn't expect anything else from you. Kids like you have the silliest ideas when they get on the internet.

Burn?

 

[JEDIYoda]

Happy Birthday!! Anarchist420!!!!!!! Bappy Hirthday!!!

 

[Jaskalas]

Yes, it's so amazing, you apparently don't have any kind of answer for it.

Derp.

There has been nothing to answer. If there is an alternative to "single unified military" it has not been explained or detailed. Hell, not even spoken of AT ALL.

We're waiting.

 

[etrigan420]

There has been nothing to answer. If there is an alternative to "single unified military" it has not been explained or detailed. Hell, not even spoken of AT ALL.

We're waiting.

The alternative is simple really...we all become *our own* military!

YOU GET A NUKE! *YOU* GET A NUKE!!

ERRR'BODY GETS A NUKE!!!!!

 

[OverVolt]

The alternative is simple really...we all become *our own* military!

YOU GET A NUKE! *YOU* GET A NUKE!!

ERRR'BODY GETS A NUKE!!!!!

The pope could control the nukes if that's what people believed is best, hah.

Nukes would never, ever go to mob rule.

 

[dainthomas]

It's better to have a monopoly on the Force. Without Jedi controlling training in the Force, a far greater percentage would turn to the dark side.

 

[mammador]

Kindly prove, or at the least demonstrate, how modern society can operate without a government.

 

[CitizenKain]

Kindly prove, or at the least demonstrate, how modern society can operate without a government.

Teenage anarchists like Juror just know man. He's a child, and either he'll grow up once he moves away from the parents, or he'll end up like all the other useless lolbertrains.

 

[Juror No. 8]

Kindly prove, or at the least demonstrate, how modern society can operate without a government.

You first need to prove or demonstrate why a government is absolutely essential.

The burden is yours, since you're the one demanding the monopoly.

 

[CitizenKain]

You first need to prove or demonstrate why a government is absolutely essential.

The burden is yours, since you're the one demanding the monopoly.

I don't want a company dumping toxic waste into my water. But I lack the resources to hire a mercenary army to storm their compound to demand they stop. Explain how in Lolbertopia I prevent them from doing this.

 

[AyashiKaibutsu]

Honestly? Because people don't use their brains. Many are just plain stupid.

What's interesting is, most people can easily recognize that private business monopolies are harmful. They can deduce that private business monopolies will likely lead to higher prices, inefficiency, corruption, and marketplace abuses. It's simply intuitive that competition in the private sector is preferred, if not absolutely essential.

But when it comes to public monopolies, like government, their brains shut down. They forgot all about those problems associated with private monopolies (high prices, inefficiency, corruption, customer abuse) and delude themselves into thinking that humanity can't survive without government monopolies. It makes no sense at all, but they cling to this belief like a religion, because that's what they've been brainwashed to do.

Yea, I know right. If only someone had thought of that problem way back when. They could have like implemented a triopoly to for things better left to public entities.

 

[Juror No. 8]

I don't want a company dumping toxic waste into my water. But I lack the resources to hire a mercenary army to storm their compound to demand they stop. Explain how in Lolbertopia I prevent them from doing this.

I don't want a corrupt government taking kickbacks and campaign contributions from a massive corporation to look the other way while it dumps toxic waste into my water. Explain how in Big Govertopia I prevent them from doing this.

 

[CitizenKain]

I don't want a corrupt government taking kickbacks and campaign contributions from a massive corporation to look the other way while it dumps toxic waste into my water. Explain how in Big Govertopia I prevent them from doing this.

I see you didn't respond as usual. I didn't really expect to see you put any effort into trying, so I'm not surprised.

 

[Juror No. 8]

LOL!

Likewise, sweetie!

 

[Juror No. 8]

...for things better left to public entities.

If only pigs could fly!

 

[mammador]

You first need to prove or demonstrate why a government is absolutely essential.

The burden is yours, since you're the one demanding the monopoly.

What burden? Government is the status quo as it is now. In human societies, there are central authorities.

 

[silverpig]

It depends how much taxes you have to pay for that force and whether the central government starts too many wars that everyone has to pay for.

Centralized anything usually costs more.

Centralized corruption is more like it.

Why ask questions based on assumptions?

There are however some tasks like building warships and tanks and planes that are hard for local government to get accomplished.

BS. Ever heard of economies of scale? This happens in the private sector too. It's the entire reason we have corporations.

 

[Juror No. 8]

What burden? Government is the status quo as it is now. In human societies, there are central authorities.

By that logic, murder and rape is the status quo too. You'll find both in every country of the world. In human societies, murder and rape is constant.

I guess that means it's somehow justified and we should just be content with it.

 

[mammador]

By that logic, murder and rape is the status quo too. You'll find both in every country of the world. In human societies, murder and rape is constant.

I guess that means it's somehow justified and we should just be content with it.

A non sequitur. All societies hold central authorities.

 

[Juror No. 8]

A non sequitur.

LOL, you apparently don't know what a non sequitur is.

All societies hold central authorities.

All societies hold rapists and murderers, too.

I guess that means we should build big marble structures for them to do their raping and killing in, much like we do government.