Why do you build houses out of wood?

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Modelworks

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After the great fire in London all houses were required to be made of brick.

The only problem I have with concrete is the weight.
Its not a good choice for soft soil.
 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: marvdmartian
Better yet, we continue to sell mobile homes/manufactured homes, that fly apart even easier!!



Don't even get me started on those deathtraps.
My brother bought one that has exterior walls that are not even the width of a 2x4.
And later he removed a wall to make a bedroom bigger.
The wall was stapled in place with what I would call 2x2 .
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: alkemyst
ATOT welcomes the Aussie Ambassador of Stupid.

? ignorance <> stupid. He's asking a question about difference in choices of building material between down under and NA. How is that stupid?

oh didnt know we only had wood homes here.

ahh right, everyone gets a do-over today.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: CorCentral


I hate wood......... Well except for when the wife asks me to get some!

What's better- having wood or being as hard as a rock?

Why don't you two hook up and find out?
 

CorCentral

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: CorCentral


I hate wood......... Well except for when the wife asks me to get some!

What's better- having wood or being as hard as a rock?

Why don't you two hook up and find out?


I'm happily married. Sorry guys, I'm only attracted to women and brick houses.
As for the other comment about getting wood......... We own a fireplace ya' numbnuts :roll:

I go off to research and you guys are playing. Maybe you two should hook up.


 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: CorCentral


I hate wood......... Well except for when the wife asks me to get some!

What's better- having wood or being as hard as a rock?

A wise observation - truly brick is the better choice
 

Eeezee

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Originally posted by: marvdmartian
I've often wondered the same thing, but for different reasons. Year after year we see stick houses torn asunder from tornadoes and hurricanes, not to mention earthquakes.....and yet, they'll simply rebuild with the same construction materials! Better yet, we continue to sell mobile homes/manufactured homes, that fly apart even easier!!
When I lived in Guam, I saw one of the smartest decisions ever made by a local government, who made the decision over 30 years ago, after (pretty much) the entire island was destroyed twice in 25 years by super-typhoons (category 5 storms, equivalent to cat 5 hurricanes). They decided that wood just wasn't cutting it, and decreed that new construction was preferred to be reinforced concrete construction. Add to that that the insurance companies pretty much decided not to insure wooden structures any more, which leads to banks not willing to lend money for wooden structures........and 30 years later, there's 95+% concrete structures, and very little structural damage during the frequent storms there! :)

Oh, and for anyone who thinks that concrete means clunky looking block houses, I beg to differ. Anything you can do with wood, can also be done with reinforced concrete. I've seen some beautiful structures out there. So why do we continue to build in areas that have natural disasters, using construction materials that won't stand up to them??

Because they're cheaper.

Free market enthusiasts seem to think that society is best off if everything is just left to chance (ie a free market). Choice is a great thing most of the time, but some choices are just stupid.

Some people will sacrifice everything else just to save a few pennies, and usually these people are incapable of seeing the big picture. Live on an island that gets pretty bad storms? BUILD A STURDY HOUSE!

See the sub prime mortgage crisis. It's just another case of people making stupid decisions.
 

miketheidiot

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Originally posted by: Homerboy
Moisture + freezing is the enemy of brick.

that's a HUGE point for anyone one in the northern half of the US where the winters are harsh and unpredictable. This is obviously not a problem in Australia.

i live in a structural brick house in the northern wastes and its holding up fine after 90 years of use and abuse.
 

alkemyst

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Originally posted by: CorCentral
I'm happily married. Sorry guys, I'm only attracted to women and brick houses.
As for the other comment about getting wood......... We own a fireplace ya' numbnuts :roll:

I go off to research and you guys are playing. Maybe you two should hook up.

I just reviewed your wife's server logs...wood came up 404 in your household. I think you need a house call.
 

Throckmorton

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Originally posted by: JS80
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
Originally posted by: seemingly random
Originally posted by: Throckmorton
If you think a tree farm is environmentally friendly, you are sorely mistaken.
There are some where I live. How are they bad?

They're as bad as any farm. A tree farm is a single age monoculture with very little ecological value, that replaces a natural forest. A lot of water and fertilizer is used to grow trees quickly. "Planting a tree" sounds good to hippies, but is not necessarily good.

http://www.gly.uga.edu/railsback/CTW/TreeFarm.jpeg
(That pic is from here... interesting article http://www.gly.uga.edu/railsback/CTW.html)

http://www.heritageplantations.com/Farm.jpg

http://brennertreefarm.hypermart.net/farmphoto.jpg

1) clear a forest

2) tree farming

3) don't build, new people shouldn't be able to own houses

so you are picking #3?

4) plastic houses

5) concrete houses- if the foundation can handle soil overturn and earthquakes, so can a concrete house.
http://www.cement.org/homes/brief10.asp
 

rbV5

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Oh, and for anyone who thinks that concrete means clunky looking block houses, I beg to differ. Anything you can do with wood, can also be done with reinforced concrete

Absolutely!

My parents live on a 70' Ferro Cement twin masted Ketch Sailboat (reinforced Concrete)

I helped my father build it back in the '70's (he did most of the work and engineering) and its been my Parents primary home for nearly 3 decades (mostly in the Sea of Cortez, Baja Mexico.

It's a fabulous, 1 of a kind Sailboat and has held up wonderfully. Despite a hull thickness of < 1.0 ", it had a Coast Guard tested compression strength of 40,000 psi with a 6" deflection on a 1.0' foot square panel (I'm pulling these numbers out of memory...I think they're correct but its been a long time and I wasn't the builder. I do recall that the Coast Guard had said it was the strongest Ferro-cement panel they had ever tested to that point)

I believe it displaces ~ 35 tons, and I was told the equivalent wood or steel hull would have been much heavier.
 

Throckmorton

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Originally posted by: rbV5
Oh, and for anyone who thinks that concrete means clunky looking block houses, I beg to differ. Anything you can do with wood, can also be done with reinforced concrete

Absolutely!

My parents live on a 70' Ferro Cement twin masted Ketch Sailboat (reinforced Concrete)

I helped my father build it back in the '70's (he did most of the work and engineering) and its been my Parents primary home for nearly 3 decades (mostly in the Sea of Cortez, Baja Mexico.

It's a fabulous, 1 of a kind Sailboat and has held up wonderfully. Despite a hull thickness of < 1.0 ", it had a Coast Guard tested compression strength of 40,000 psi with a 6" deflection on a 1.0' foot square panel (I'm pulling these numbers out of memory...I think they're correct but its been a long time and I wasn't the builder. I do recall that the Coast Guard had said it was the strongest Ferro-cement panel they had ever tested to that point)

I believe it displaces ~ 35 tons, and I was told the equivalent wood or steel hull would have been much heavier.

WTF? A cement sailboat??
 

HannibalX

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Originally posted by: BradAtWork
Hi Americans.

If i'm generalising please correct me, but from TV/Films it appears most of your free standing homes are made of wood?

Why is this. Can most people not afford to build out of brick?

Where I come from (Australia) only older/low cost homes were built from wood.

Brick homes last longer and I imagine would maintain temperature better.

Is it just the abudance of cheap wood you have in the states, or is it just tradition or whatever.

Just curious.

It must be a throwback to your felon heritage, being in brick cages.

Why don't you ask African's why they build homes out of sticks... oh wait that would be a stereotype.
 

Vette73

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Originally posted by: irishScott
Originally posted by: Marlin1975
Originally posted by: soonerproud
Originally posted by: BradAtWork
Hi Americans.

If i'm generalising please correct me, but from TV/Films it appears most of your free standing homes are made of wood?

Why is this. Can most people not afford to build out of brick?

Where I come from (Australia) only older/low cost homes were built from wood.

Brick homes last longer and I imagine would maintain temperature better.

Is it just the abudance of cheap wood you have in the states, or is it just tradition or whatever.

Just curious.

In this part of the country, most newer homes are made of brick. It is a regional thing that depends on a number of environmental and economic factors.

In California, Arizona and many of the southwest states, homes are made of stucco. In New Mexico, parts of Arizona and Texas, it is a combination of Adobe brick, stucco and brick.



The house is not made of stucco it is built of wood and covered with stucco. In fact I bet most of the "brick" homes people are talking about are also wood built and just covered with a brick veneer.

Built means that is the main support of the wall/house.

I don't know a single home that doesn't have wood framing, but I'd hardly call the brick "veneer". Can't speak for others, but my house's outer walls are 2 layers of solid brick. It's a structural element on it's own. Not the core skeleton, but it's more than decoration.


I have seen some houses made of cement/blocks. It cost a pile of money to keep it cool/warm. Either it was a oven or fridge.

Our sun room is a brick wall. No wood just brick wall. We will be tearing it out to install a wood support and then insulate it so it can be our kitchen.
 

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Originally posted by: BradAtWork
What about the east coast? I didn't think they had an earthquake problem.


Here in Florida you will be hard pressed to find a wood home, I would say 90% of the homes are block/brick.
 

Throckmorton

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Originally posted by: Born2bwire
Originally posted by: sygyzy
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Cdubneeddeal
Because we Americans love to chop down forests which provide us oxygen and protect wildlife all for the sake housing developments. And brick is an old school home design. I would imagine it doesn't insulate very well.

Which is funny, because an ever increasing amount of lumber used today is from trees specifically planted for the purpose of cutting them down.

That is really a dumb argument. Would you say there are more trees and more forests in the US now or 200 years ago? 100 years ago? Not only pure numbers, but the quality and age of trees? It's akin to saying "Oh slavery isn't an issue because now we rape women for the purpose of producing child laborers"

Actually, it's my understanding that we do have more forests than we did a hundred years ago. Largely in part due to conservation efforts, reforestation, and greater dependence upon tree farms.

We have more forests, but we are still chopping down the 5% remaining old growth forest.
 

sdifox

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Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: alkemyst
ATOT welcomes the Aussie Ambassador of Stupid.

? ignorance <> stupid. He's asking a question about difference in choices of building material between down under and NA. How is that stupid?

oh didnt know we only had wood homes here.

ahh right, everyone gets a do-over today.

Most common homes in Canada and US is A frame wood construction with brick façade.
 

Vic

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alkemyst

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Originally posted by: Marlin1975

I have seen some houses made of cement/blocks. It cost a pile of money to keep it cool/warm. Either it was a oven or fridge.

Our sun room is a brick wall. No wood just brick wall. We will be tearing it out to install a wood support and then insulate it so it can be our kitchen.

Usually the outer wall is concrete only in cheap construction. For high end construction they build an inner wall (usually framed)...this makes it easier to hang stuff and run cables as well.

It reduces living area though.