Why do weak people always turn to God?

[MySoS]

Originally posted by: Kasper4christ
so you condem him to death? and you tell us not to judge... pfft

this thread got LONG quick

and yet, as i read up above at a glance.. its almost better not to post in one of these threads, becuase of the emotion and flaming that goes on.
alas, i used to be one of those gung-ho christians, (online atleast) and have since realized that the Christian computer guy is few and far between, most are blinded by hatred towards certain people who, for whatever reason are concerned for other people. If i didn't belive in Him, i woulnd't give a sht about you people, really and truly.
Sad is the day when MySoS sees his wishes come true. when his brand of thought runs around, without proof.
religious threads usually don't go anywhere becasue people don't bring evidence to the table.
support your arguments, quotes, links etc..
if your gonna say something, back it up.
a lost art

I never said anyone should die, but his kind of thinking needs to die. The best way I beleive would be to ban religious teaching to children. Parents who try to convert their children should lose their children. That is my opinion. I know it won't happen, but that is what I want to happen.

 

[Kasper4christ]

why?
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what hurt you so much that you have such hatred? there must be a root cause to it..

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: MySoS

Originally posted by: Kasper4christ
so you condem him to death? and you tell us not to judge... pfft

this thread got LONG quick

and yet, as i read up above at a glance.. its almost better not to post in one of these threads, becuase of the emotion and flaming that goes on.
alas, i used to be one of those gung-ho christians, (online atleast) and have since realized that the Christian computer guy is few and far between, most are blinded by hatred towards certain people who, for whatever reason are concerned for other people. If i didn't belive in Him, i woulnd't give a sht about you people, really and truly.
Sad is the day when MySoS sees his wishes come true. when his brand of thought runs around, without proof.
religious threads usually don't go anywhere becasue people don't bring evidence to the table.
support your arguments, quotes, links etc..
if your gonna say something, back it up.
a lost art

I never said anyone should die, but his kind of thinking needs to die. The best way I beleive would be to ban religious teaching to children. Parents who try to convert their children should lose their children. That is my opinion. I know it won't happen, but that is what I want to happen.

Not only is your thinking irrational, but inhumane. To even suggest such an idea is ludicrous even to non-religious people. Sure, some parents abuse religion by shoving it down their childrens' throats, but belief in God is not something that can be forced on you. It is your choice to make, and yours alone.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: ariafrost
God is the Creator of all things. God is the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and Omega. He is the coder who wrote the source code to the universe and all life, and we live in a world created by his will. He is apart from all things human; though we were created but a little bit lower than God, we must realize that we as imperfect and sinful creatures cannot approach God except through His Son. God is holy, and thus is set apart and perfect.

Proof?

And, of course, there's the obvious illogicality regarding created beings being imperfect in God's sight.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: ariafrost
God is the Creator of all things. God is the Beginning and the End, the Alpha and Omega. He is the coder who wrote the source code to the universe and all life, and we live in a world created by his will. He is apart from all things human; though we were created but a little bit lower than God, we must realize that we as imperfect and sinful creatures cannot approach God except through His Son. God is holy, and thus is set apart and perfect.

Proof?

And, of course, there's the obvious illogicality regarding created beings being imperfect in God's sight.

What proof do you need? Look around you, it is quite obvious that such things could not come into existence out of nothingness. The "Big Bang" theory supported by some scientists suggests a large explosion created the universe. This is in direct opposition to a scientific law which states basically that you can't get something out of nothing. Now, the only logical explanation is something outside of the laws and outside of the scope of science. Such a thing can only be a deity, a supreme being who is outside of such petty laws.

As for the "illogicality", I assure you that none of us are perfect, and we ALL fall short of the glory of God and are most deserving of death. It is only through God's mercy in giving us His Son that we can be saved.

Want proof? Go to a church, a church adhering to the tenets of the Christian faith. A church is more than a building; it is the people there and God's relationship with them, and also a hospital - for sinners that we ALL are. Listen and read the Bible. Ponder it and see if you do not change your mind...

 

[RMSistight]

Originally posted by: CheapArse

Originally posted by: xcript
Uh-oh spaghettios.

lol

LMAO

 

[Kasper4christ]

people were perfect, when we were created.
we decended into sin in 1 Generation
His creation became unperfect,
therefore we are all unperfect, IE, sinful...


hands.. so cold....

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: ariafrost
What proof do you need? Look around you, it is quite obvious that such things could not come into existence out of nothingness. The "Big Bang" theory supported by some scientists suggests a large explosion created the universe. This is in direct opposition to a scientific law which states basically that you can't get something out of nothing. Now, the only logical explanation is something outside of the laws and outside of the scope of science. Such a thing can only be a deity, a supreme being who is outside of such petty laws.

As for the "illogicality", I assure you that none of us are perfect, and we ALL fall short of the glory of God and are most deserving of death. It is only through God's mercy in giving us His Son that we can be saved.

Want proof? Go to a church, a church adhering to the tenets of the Christian faith. A church is more than a building; it is the people there and God's relationship with them, and also a hospital - for sinners that we ALL are. Listen and read the Bible. Ponder it and see if you do not change your mind...

I have been a Christian, and I did ponder it. The questions I'm asking you (and which you're not explaining according to the rules of logic, you're just making assertions) are some of the questions that caused me to give up the Christian faith. I do not oppose the christian faith - many of my friends are devout Christians - but I do oppose Christian majoritarianism and I refuse to be looked down upon or pitied because I've made the choices I have.

We know that there are entities in our universe which defy our known laws of physics - this does not make them supernatural - it just means that at the moment human knowledge is limited.

I'll come back some other time, I have work to do.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: MySoS

Originally posted by: Kasper4christ
so you condem him to death? and you tell us not to judge... pfft

this thread got LONG quick

and yet, as i read up above at a glance.. its almost better not to post in one of these threads, becuase of the emotion and flaming that goes on.
alas, i used to be one of those gung-ho christians, (online atleast) and have since realized that the Christian computer guy is few and far between, most are blinded by hatred towards certain people who, for whatever reason are concerned for other people. If i didn't belive in Him, i woulnd't give a sht about you people, really and truly.
Sad is the day when MySoS sees his wishes come true. when his brand of thought runs around, without proof.
religious threads usually don't go anywhere becasue people don't bring evidence to the table.
support your arguments, quotes, links etc..
if your gonna say something, back it up.
a lost art

I never said anyone should die, but his kind of thinking needs to die. The best way I beleive would be to ban religious teaching to children. Parents who try to convert their children should lose their children. That is my opinion. I know it won't happen, but that is what I want to happen.

They should lose their children for teaching about their beliefs to their Children??? Wow... that is sickening. So by your logic, the Bush administration should round up all muslims and take away their children in the name of national security?? Probably, according to you.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Kasper4christ
people were perfect, when we were created.
we decended into sin in 1 Generation
His creation became unperfect,
therefore we are all unperfect, IE, sinful...


hands.. so cold....

Now why does knowledge make us sinful?

 

[Kasper4christ]

if you'll look, it wasn't the knowledge that made man (and woman of course) sinful
it was the disobing of Gods word
He told them not to do something, and they did it anyway
what do you do to children who disobey?
when you tell them, not to stick there hand on the stove, knowing that it'll hurt,
if the child trusts you, it'll listen and leave the stove alone
if not, the mistake will have been made, and knowledge learned
just becuase you learned something doesn't nuliffy you disobeying,
the damage has already been done, sin...

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Kasper4christ
if you'll look, it wasn't the knowledge that made man (and woman of course) sinful
it was the disobing of Gods word
He told them not to do something, and they did it anyway
what do you do to children who disobey?
when you tell them, not to stick there hand on the stove, knowing that it'll hurt,
if the child trusts you, it'll listen and leave the stove alone
if not, the mistake will have been made, and knowledge learned
just becuase you learned something doesn't nuliffy you disobeying,
the damage has already been done, sin...

But that doesn't explain the logic behind the prohibition.

 

[Philippine Mango]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
I'm still curious as to why it's not illegal to work on Sundays, or why it's not illegal to make a graven image. I demand these commandments be made into law! :|

thats stupid. I think there should be more services open on sunday. Sh!t I do NOT want to NOT be able to go to the grocery store and buy my self some food because of some damn christian holiday. NOT EVERY BODY IS CHRISTIAN YOU KNOW! Just because you think "it's god day to rest" or some other crap like that, doesn't mean that I HAVE TO WAIT TO EAT because YOUR religion BELIEVES SO!

 

[Babbles]

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango

Originally posted by: Orsorum
I'm still curious as to why it's not illegal to work on Sundays, or why it's not illegal to make a graven image. I demand these commandments be made into law! :|

thats stupid. I think there should be more services open on sunday. Sh!t I do NOT want to NOT be able to go to the grocery store and buy my self some food because of some damn christian holiday. NOT EVERY BODY IS CHRISTIAN YOU KNOW! Just because you think "it's god day to rest" or some other crap like that, doesn't mean that I HAVE TO WAIT TO EAT because YOUR religion BELIEVES SO!

Stores do have to be closed sometimes not to mention I think most grocery stores are open seven days a week. Also you have no constitutional right to demand that stores be open whenever it is convinient for you. In fact free market principles take affect and if you don't like the hours a retailer has, then you take your money elsewhere.

Not to mention I think that poster you quoted was being a tad sarcastic.

You seem to be a pretty dense person, don't flaunt it.

 

[Philippine Mango]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango

Originally posted by: Orsorum
I'm still curious as to why it's not illegal to work on Sundays, or why it's not illegal to make a graven image. I demand these commandments be made into law! :|

thats stupid. I think there should be more services open on sunday. Sh!t I do NOT want to NOT be able to go to the grocery store and buy my self some food because of some damn christian holiday. NOT EVERY BODY IS CHRISTIAN YOU KNOW! Just because you think "it's god day to rest" or some other crap like that, doesn't mean that I HAVE TO WAIT TO EAT because YOUR religion BELIEVES SO!

Stores do have to be closed sometimes not to mention I think most grocery stores are open seven days a week. Also you have no constitutional right to demand that stores be open whenever it is convinient for you. In fact free market principles take affect and if you don't like the hours a retailer has, then you take your money elsewhere.

Not to mention I think that poster you quoted was being a tad sarcastic.

You seem to be a pretty dense person, don't flaunt it.

I seriously CAN'T Tell WHAT is sarcastic anymore because I've seen the stupidiest sh!t posted on ATOT and the people were ACTUALLY serious about it so what prevents him from being guy #999999999.......
Your right it's the store's free will and yes they do have grocerystores open on sunday but saying them being closed on sunday should be a law is just asinine because NOT everybody is chrisitan let alone goes to church and cares about ONLY staying home.

 

[Jynx980]

This may have been posted already but if not lets hope it lightens the mood:

Now I'm not usually a praying man, but if your up there, please save me Superman!

From da Simpsons

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Babbles

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango

Originally posted by: Orsorum
I'm still curious as to why it's not illegal to work on Sundays, or why it's not illegal to make a graven image. I demand these commandments be made into law! :|

thats stupid. I think there should be more services open on sunday. Sh!t I do NOT want to NOT be able to go to the grocery store and buy my self some food because of some damn christian holiday. NOT EVERY BODY IS CHRISTIAN YOU KNOW! Just because you think "it's god day to rest" or some other crap like that, doesn't mean that I HAVE TO WAIT TO EAT because YOUR religion BELIEVES SO!

Stores do have to be closed sometimes not to mention I think most grocery stores are open seven days a week. Also you have no constitutional right to demand that stores be open whenever it is convinient for you. In fact free market principles take affect and if you don't like the hours a retailer has, then you take your money elsewhere.

Not to mention I think that poster you quoted was being a tad sarcastic.

You seem to be a pretty dense person, don't flaunt it.

Just a tad.

 

[Kasper4christ]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: Kasper4christ
if you'll look, it wasn't the knowledge that made man (and woman of course) sinful
it was the disobing of Gods word
He told them not to do something, and they did it anyway
what do you do to children who disobey?
when you tell them, not to stick there hand on the stove, knowing that it'll hurt,
if the child trusts you, it'll listen and leave the stove alone
if not, the mistake will have been made, and knowledge learned
just becuase you learned something doesn't nuliffy you disobeying,
the damage has already been done, sin...

But that doesn't explain the logic behind the prohibition.

logic behind the prohibition?
uh, God said don't, because he said not to, and we did, that was sinful
getting knowledge was never sinful, disobeying God is.
are you asking why God said no?
dunno.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: Kasper4christ

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: Kasper4christ
if you'll look, it wasn't the knowledge that made man (and woman of course) sinful
it was the disobing of Gods word
He told them not to do something, and they did it anyway
what do you do to children who disobey?
when you tell them, not to stick there hand on the stove, knowing that it'll hurt,
if the child trusts you, it'll listen and leave the stove alone
if not, the mistake will have been made, and knowledge learned
just becuase you learned something doesn't nuliffy you disobeying,
the damage has already been done, sin...

But that doesn't explain the logic behind the prohibition.

logic behind the prohibition?
uh, God said don't, because he said not to, and we did, that was sinful
getting knowledge was never sinful, disobeying God is.
are you asking why God said no?
dunno.

But if getting knowledge is not sinful why prohibit it in the first place?

 

[SeaSerpent]

Why do weak people always turn to God?

I think it is in man's nature to look for hope.

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: MySoS
LMFAO more xtian BS. The day the world is purged of your kind of thinking will be the greatest day of all.

I find it interesting that in the beginning of this thread, you apologized for being rude...Now, you celebrate the day that any religion is purged...Pfft...yeah, athiest are REAL tolerant...so just because we believe in SOMETHING when you believe in NOTHING means we should be wiped out? You will never wipe out religion...It's been around since the start of time...Too many people believe in something...How does this sound? "LMFAO to more athiest BS. The day the world is purged of your kind of thinking will be the greatest day of all." Hmm...Sounds the same...

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
but I don't believe in your religion. God is more forgiving than your rigid theology would allow.

If you really knew Christians, they would tell you "our theology" isn't rigid...God is loving, heck God IS love...All you have to do is believe...Everyone has done that sometime in their life...everyone has believed in something...

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: Orsorum
We know that there are entities in our universe which defy our known laws of physics - this does not make them supernatural - it just means that at the moment human knowledge is limited.

I really do understand where you're coming from...I ask myself all the time where God comes from...How was he here before time? Before anything? The answer: Go is infinite...We, as humans, have finite minds...We can't understand...Ever seen "Indiana Jones & the Last Crusade"? Think about the part where Indy takes the step into air (the 3rd challenge)...That's like God...You can't see HIM physically, but you know he's there...He's holding you up, all you have to do is believe...

 

[thehstrybean]

Originally posted by: Philippine Mango

Originally posted by: Orsorum
I'm still curious as to why it's not illegal to work on Sundays, or why it's not illegal to make a graven image. I demand these commandments be made into law! :|

thats stupid. I think there should be more services open on sunday. Sh!t I do NOT want to NOT be able to go to the grocery store and buy my self some food because of some damn christian holiday. NOT EVERY BODY IS CHRISTIAN YOU KNOW! Just because you think "it's god day to rest" or some other crap like that, doesn't mean that I HAVE TO WAIT TO EAT because YOUR religion BELIEVES SO!

In Chattanooga, TN, the Blue Laws were repealled...And Christianity doesn't say you can't eat Sunday....

 

[Mo0o]

Originally posted by: thehstrybean

Originally posted by: Orsorum
We know that there are entities in our universe which defy our known laws of physics - this does not make them supernatural - it just means that at the moment human knowledge is limited.

I really do understand where you're coming from...I ask myself all the time where God comes from...How was he here before time? Before anything? The answer: Go is infinite...We, as humans, have finite minds...We can't understand...Ever seen "Indiana Jones & the Last Crusade"? Think about the part where Indy takes the step into air (the 3rd challenge)...That's like God...You can't see HIM physically, but you know he's there...He's holding you up, all you have to do is believe...

If Indy was smart he would have tossed some sand down to test it out and would have realized it was just a crafty painting.