Why do we still make "Flathead" screws ??

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Brentx

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I wish everything used hex or torx... those are the best. I have never stripped one of those
 

ForumMaster

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the best are hex or those triangular screws. philips is usually fine as well as flat. as long as you use the right screwdriver, it comes out easily. i have never stripped a philips screw.
 

compnovice

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Flat heads are more accomodating to different size screwdrivers....... I hate trying to find the right size everytime...
 

Mrvile

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I don't really like Philips screws that much since I always end up stripping them and from there it's a major hassle getting them out. Flatheads are a little harder to use but are safer, IMO.
 

herbiehancock

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Originally posted by: gsethi
Discuss.

I would, but I think using the proper terminology would really help.

When you refer to "flathead" screws, are you really meaning to say slotted screws? The two are completely different as there are flathead screws that are screwed in by philips screwdrivers and flathead screws that are screwed in by slot-type, or flat BLADE, screwdrivers.

Here are some definitions of types of screws:

Head Shape

* Pan Head: Standard screw head profile with average diameter and average height.
* Button Head: Similar to a pan head but with a curved top.
* Round Head: More pronounced head than a button head.
* Flat Head: Flat top with a tapered underside that is intended to be driven into a countersunk hole.
* Oval Head: Tapered underside like a flat-head, but with an oval top.
* Truss Head: These are large-diameter heads with a low profile.
* Fillister Head: Thick profile with a slightly rounded top.


Driving Methods

* Slotted: Slotted screw heads are perhaps the oldest and most common variety; a linear slot in the head accepts a standard (flat) screwdriver.
* Phillips: The phillips head is an improvement to the slotted screw; cross-shaped grooves accept a phillips-head screwdriver. These heads provide a larger mating surface between the screw and the screwdriver which minimizes wear and helps prevent slipping.
* Hex: These heads do not have any grooves or slots at all; the entire head is hexagonally shaped and they are tightened with a wrench. Since the size of the heads varies, a wrench set or an adjustable wrench is required for driving hex screws.
* Square: (also know as Robertson drive). These heads have a square indentation to minimize slipping; they also require a special driver for tightening and loosening.
* One Way: One-way heads are a variation on the slotted screw. They can be tightened with a standard screwdriver, but are tamper-resistant because they require special tools for removal.
* Torx: Torx heads have 6-pointed recessions to provide even more surface area for driving. They require the less-common torx screwdrivers and therefore can be considered tamper-resistant.


I only bring this up because if you walk into a hardware store and ask for a flathead screw, you are going to get this:

A flathead screw.

It'll be used to do this......countersink.


It'll most likely be a wood screw and be used to countersink into the wood.

It will most likely have a slotted-drive top, but there is no such thing as a flathead screwdriver.....it's a slotted screwdriver.

Just trying to save you some embarrassment from your ignorance of the subject you feel so deeply about.

 

LS20

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ive stripped too many philips

though i like hex, ive stripped a few of those, also. they require a large head ... so not good for small applications

no probs with flathead. i like those
 

Eos

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I've got a frackin' stripped philips head screw right now in the bathroom. I put up a curved shower curtain rod (HIGHLY recommended, btw) and the top screw is at about 7'6". I'm 6'6", but it's still a reach to get the lateral force all the way up there.

As soon as I can borrow a hacksaw, it will become a flathead screw.
 

WHAMPOM

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Originally posted by: gsethi
Discuss.

Slotted-head screws? For the elegant look, of course. Phillips, square drive, Torx were designed for use on the assembly line.
 

Lonyo

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Originally posted by: LS20
ive stripped too many philips

though i like hex, ive stripped a few of those, also. they require a large head ... so not good for small applications

no probs with flathead. i like those

You can get tiny hex screws. Not super duper tiny, but pretty damned small, like 1mm or less for the hole.
 

Sphexi

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Up in Canada Robertson squares are the standard for the most part, places like Home Depot sell only squares.
 

monk3y

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I wish all of them were flathead. You can use a freaking butter knife to tighten flatheads.
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: monk3y
I wish all of them were flathead. You can use a freaking butter knife to tighten flatheads.
Perhaps one day you will come across a screw that can't be reached with a butter knife.
 

DrPizza

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If you seem to be having extraordinary problems with stripping phillips head screws, perhaps you need to quit purchasing the 50 cent screw drivers in the discount tool bin. With a quality screwdriver, you can drive a screw right through wood without stripping it.
 

Howard

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Originally posted by: DrPizza
If you seem to be having extraordinary problems with stripping phillips head screws, perhaps you need to quit purchasing the 50 cent screw drivers in the discount tool bin. With a quality screwdriver, you can drive a screw right through wood without stripping it.
Strangely enough, most of the stripping that goes on around here occurs when unscrewing, not screwing.

God, the innuendo. :p
 

91TTZ

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Originally posted by: Imp
I hate phillips, they strip too easily and you really have to push hard on them. Only good way I have of screwing those in is putting it flat and putting a lot of my weight onto them. The pisser is that 90% and more of the screws I encounter are phillips. Bah, who am I kidding, I haven't seen a single non-phillips in years (mainly furniture/computer stuff). On that note, I like Robertson a bit more, but way too hard to 'find' the head if you aren't looking directly at the screw. I like those hex screws, but never see them used. Death to phillips screws...

The reason you are having trouble with them is because half of the screws that you think are phillips aren't really phillips. You're using the wrong type of bit for that screw.
 

Jeff7

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Originally posted by: swtethan
Originally posted by: 13Gigatons
I hate philips and wish square drive screws or high torque screws had become standard.

square or hex would have been great to have as standard

Except in tight places where a socket driver just won't fit.


I don't like slotted screws mainly because the screwdriver keeps sliding out of the slot.
 

beemercer

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Originally posted by: ultimatebob
I've been seeing a lot of Phillips/Flathead combo screws lately, where one slot on the Phillips head is made deeper so you can use a flathead screwdriver instead. I kinda like those.

I've seen a few recently as well, they are quite nice for a Phillips.