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Why do we murder animals?

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I think the OP is right on with his sentiments. I think there's nothing wrong with having some compunctions about the killing, even if we make concessions to get meat.

In principle I'd probably be happier as a vegetarian; I make compromises for meat. I likely would be vegetarian if I had to kill the animals.

It's a little like the difference between people who go to war and are horrified by it, and those who revel in it.
 
Is it? They are both sensing beings.

Why do the internet rage whenever a video of animal cruelty comes up, and then rage when we suggest the inconsistency in celebrating factory livestock.
 
I guess I find it silly that so many people are "ok" with supermarkets yet have somewhat strong feelings against hunting. It's not like a stockyard or commercial chicken farm is anywhere close to humane or a "happy life" for the animal. I guess ignorance is bliss.

Would venture to guess that it's a "City folk" vs "Country folk" division for the most part.
 
Nintendesert said:
You said a lot of dumb shit.
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He always does, and he's almost wholly wrong.

A certain number of hunting licenses are issued each year on multiple different species. A ton of research goes into species population by the government to determine correct population levels and how many licenses to hand out. Hunting by license is EXACTLY done to cull the population. The only times when that is not the case is when the licenses are required to prevent over-hunting, like muskellunge, bear, and other slow-reproducing long-maturity creatures.
 
mammador said:
Yeah, as I said culls.
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Most hunting is just that... wildlife management.

We have vastly reduced the numbers of most of the animals that naturally prey on deer so now it is up to us humans to keep their population in check. This is a fact. This is why we need hunters.

I don't hunt. I have gone hunting once in my life but never even saw a deer let alone shot and killed one. Honestly, I don't know that I could do it either but I think it is necessary that people who want to hunt be allowed to do so if it is done humanely, cleanly, and legally.
 
Pulsar said:
A certain number of hunting licenses are issued each year on multiple different species. A ton of research goes into species population by the government to determine correct population levels and how many licenses to hand out. Hunting by license is EXACTLY done to cull the population.
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I live in IL and here and also in Iowa they practically give away "antlerless only" permits. They are like $5 after the initial one you buy. And the purpose is to explicitly limit herd numbers.
 
epidemis said:
Is it? They are both sensing beings.

Why do the internet rage whenever a video of animal cruelty comes up, and then rage when we suggest the inconsistency in celebrating factory livestock.
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Yes, it is crazy to hunt a human and then skin him and chop him up and cook him and eat him. Not so with a deer.
 
vi edit said:
I guess I find it silly that so many people are "ok" with supermarkets yet have somewhat strong feelings against hunting. It's not like a stockyard or commercial chicken farm is anywhere close to humane or a "happy life" for the animal. I guess ignorance is bliss.

Would venture to guess that it's a "City folk" vs "Country folk" division for the most part.
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I don't think so, the kind of people who are against hunting argue against animal farms too, they're vegan. This is true for the group active here at least.

I've never heard a meat-eating person complain about hunting.
 
mammador said:
Wow... I never realised morning I hunted some buffalo this morning with my stone hand axe, instead of going with my gf to the local store for breakfast. You'd the Neolithic revolution never happened, and just the beliefs of anthropologists...
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a life style change does not equal a change in primal instincts, we're still the same we just live on different terms. We still have to satisfy our primal urges, hell most of our lives revolve around our basic instincts.

if you think becoming an agricultural society did away with millions of years of evolution you've got another thing coming, put that in your anthropological pipe and smoke it.
 
raildogg said:
Maybe I'm being very, very naive to post this on Off Topic but I just saw the headline of the guys in Mississippi killing a 700+ lbs. alligator with a crossbow. They actually have the photo of them holding it's dead body in their arms - displayed with great pride.

Recently, a guy told me a story, with great pride, of how he perfectly aimed at a deer in the right spot that once hit, the deer literally exploded. He had a big grin on his face. The insides of my stomach were turning. This is not to say I'm better in any way to this man. It's that the idea of killing an animal is so completely natural to him that it's almost scary.

Are we humans that bored that we look for ways of entertaining ourselves, or raising our self-esteem, by murdering innocent forms of life? Don't we realize that the difference between killing a deer and a human isn't that great? The deer cannot talk, has less intelligence, cannot send a man to the moon; however, it shows what kind of value humans place upon life.

I don't expect any serious replies. I'm just posting for posting's sake.
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I'm guessing your ancestors were more the agriculture types :awe:
 
Ackmed said:
So many stupid threads now days.
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So many stupid people now these days. I'm blown away how naive some people can be. For example the OP has obviously never had a hunter as a friend. We had a family friend who hunted. I personally thought he was a cool guy and hunting sounded fun but I wasn't ever that interested that I actually went with him.

Seriously, the OP has never met a hunter. Hunters talk about hunting related things. Shocking. OP is very naive. Of course people like that exist it is an entire segment of the population.
 
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Craig234 said:
I think the OP is right on with his sentiments. I think there's nothing wrong with having some compunctions about the killing, even if we make concessions to get meat.

In principle I'd probably be happier as a vegetarian; I make compromises for meat. I likely would be vegetarian if I had to kill the animals.

It's a little like the difference between people who go to war and are horrified by it, and those who revel in it.
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Meat tastes good YURMYYYY.

Before the advent of MSG loaded tofu, real meat was the only way to satiate the meaty taste. I bet you 100 years ago there weren't that many vegetarians because they couldn't make vegetables taste like meat. Unless in japan because of soy sauce. :awe:
 
Red Storm said:
Eating and war are not the same thing at all.
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You miss the point. I'm afraid trying to explain it would be a waste of time.

You either have some appreciation of the lives of people and animals or you don't.

That's a reason the people who don't can fall in love with war so much - all the gratification they get of 'glory' and 'bravery' and 'accomplishment', all the adrenaline highs.

Even all the camaraderie. The same guy who hunts wouldn't hunt his own dog.

The point wasn't that hunting and war are the same, it was that there's something in common between either appreciating or not appreciating the horror of each.

As opposed to finding some sort of enjoyment, not so much horrified.
 
OverVolt said:
Meat tastes good YURMYYYY.

Before the advent of MSG loaded tofu, real meat was the only way to satiate the meaty taste. I bet you 100 years ago there weren't that many vegetarians because they couldn't make vegetables taste like meat. Unless in japan because of soy sauce. :awe:
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Tofu is no substitute for meat IMO, I won't touch the stuff.

Look, for the sake of argument, let's say you could cook up some meat made of people that was just delicious.

Does that mean you have to love the idea of eating them?

Maybe some cannibals were ok with that. We do have that word for it.

I have no issue with hunters killing for meat - just with ones who don't appreciate the terrible side of doing it. For whom it's just 'yahoo, fun times'.

It's awfully easy to just enjoy the food, but good to remember the cost and where the food came from.

Some of the hunters seem to really place no value on the animals they kill - one poster called it 'enjoying the hunter-prey relationship'. Not all, but some.
 
It is disgusting to kill animals for no good purpose (such as self defense, food and clothing). It's immoral on many levels.

Fern
 
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