why do we have a 2 party system in the US?

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in a nation that's supposed to be united, why is there such a huge division amongst us?

it makes no sense that people are party loyal and base their votes and decisions on the party they are affiliated with.
there should be no your guys vs my guys. that's almost like a civil war.
we should all be working together towards a common goal, which is what's best for the country.

what am i not missing?

i guess this is why i'll never get into or understand politics...
 

Leros

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Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
checks and balances....granted it takes forever to get anything done.

QFT. Two parties gives a nice balance. Even though I side with one party, I want both to exist for that balance.
 
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Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
checks and balances....granted it takes forever to get anything done.

this is far too P&N related to be in OT!

checks and balances of what exactly?
everything is going to sort itself out with or without party affiliation.

and when on party owns majority in the house/senate, there goes your check and balance.
 

udneekgnim

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Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
in a nation that's supposed to be united, why is there such a huge division amongst us?

it makes no sense that people are party loyal and base their votes and decisions on the party they are affiliated with.
there should be no your guys vs my guys. that's almost like a civil war.
we should all be working together towards a common goal, which is what's best for the country.

what am i not missing?

i guess this is why i'll never get into or understand politics...

there are different ways to run a government, which is why we have a more than 1 party system

 

Muse

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Because in America the idea of me against you is deeply ingrained. It's a nation of a multitude of minorities. Even if you are a white Brit, you feel it's you against them. Yes, it's crazy and we are all in this together, but it's been hammered into us ever since our parents taught us how to think of ourselves as separate egos. So, it's me against you or us against them. The latter is more comforting because at least you feel like you have a big group of people on your side.
 
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Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
in a nation that's supposed to be united, why is there such a huge division amongst us?

it makes no sense that people are party loyal and base their votes and decisions on the party they are affiliated with.
there should be no your guys vs my guys. that's almost like a civil war.
we should all be working together towards a common goal, which is what's best for the country.

what am i not missing?

i guess this is why i'll never get into or understand politics...

By nation im assuming you are talking about the people in it being united? That is not the case and never will be. People will always have different views on what is right or wrong or what we should do as a country.

We are the United STATES of America. Not the United PEOPLE of America.
 

PingSpike

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Consolidation of power. A better question is why don't we have a one party system yet? And an even better question is, are you sure we don't?
 

mooseracing

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I don't get why we have parties even. Everyone complains about this politician that doesn't do what he runs for, it's because he has to please his party. If they all ran without parties the could vote how they want or actually mean. Which in the end would be bought off anyway.

One thing that might be nice is moving larger decisions to the voters instead of these dumbasses that get voted in. Not sure how much of a difference it would make, but damn this bailout shit makes me hate every one that voted for it.
 

Craig234

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Originally posted by: BlahBlahYouToo
in a nation that's supposed to be united, why is there such a huge division amongst us?

it makes no sense that people are party loyal and base their votes and decisions on the party they are affiliated with.
there should be no your guys vs my guys. that's almost like a civil war.
we should all be working together towards a common goal, which is what's best for the country.

what am i not missing?

i guess this is why i'll never get into or understand politics...

The practical reason is, because the most effective way to win 51% of the vote is to have the structure of a political party.

It's a little like saying, why have 'businesses', and 'currency', instead of just having the citizens of a city barter with each other to provide goods and services. Answer, because it's far more efficient and effective to have specialized, focused activities than to have people say 'hey, I'd like to buy some floor tile, Bill. Would you mind going out and getting me hundreds of choices for reasonable prices, just for me, not something you do as a business?'

Parties are able to win over voters, it's what they do, and if you only have one, so be it, it'll dominate the system and likely be corrupted by the inherent desire of the few to serve themselves over the many, and leave the rest of the public screwed until they decide to form a 'counter party' and try to take power, which takes us right back to the two party system. And there will be one party at least, because 'power doesn't like a vacuum', and if there's not a party, people who want their policies to win will form one to win the election.

The theoretical reason is because the word 'unity' is abused. The fact is there are different policy choices, whether Jefferson versus Hamilton, slavery versus abolitiionist, Medicare and Social Security versues not having those programs, and the word 'unity' does not answer which policies will be followed. Parties do. "Unity' is more for broader ideas, like 'whatever policy you want, we all agree for the election winner to get power in a peaceful transition'.

I think unity is overrated - that it's a red flag when the people are overly 'united' for a cause, suggesting the sort of excessive nationalism for a bad cause typical of fascism.

It tends to lead to the oppression of dissenting views, which leaves the nation more like a mob and more likely to have wrong policies with the benefit of real debate.
 

Modelworks

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You really want to see something scary, ie, history repeating itself.
Look at the rise and fall of the Roman empire and compare it to the last 20 years of the USA.

They are eerily similar in a lot of ways.
Our form of government didn't work for them either.
It seems our and their form of government has a builtin life span.
 

cubby1223

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We may never have a formidable third party as long as the winner-takes-all election process is in place - especially when lacking runoff elections. 1992 was close, but 2000 slammed the door on all third parties.
 

dlx22

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imagine if we had 10 parties each with a presidential candidate...and the president elect wins with say 11% of the popular vote...i can only imagine how crazy things would get. lol
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: mooseracing
One thing that might be nice is moving larger decisions to the voters instead of these dumbasses that get voted in. Not sure how much of a difference it would make, but damn this bailout shit makes me hate every one that voted for it.

Right... I'd rather trust the important decisions to be made by people who's main source of news is The Enquirer, and the night before the vote were out boozing it up 'til 4am...
 
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Originally posted by: Modelworks
You really want to see something scary, ie, history repeating itself.
Look at the rise and fall of the Roman empire and compare it to the last 20 years of the USA.

They are eerily similar in a lot of ways.
Our form of government didn't work for them either.
It seems our and their form of government has a builtin life span.

what kind of a system did the romans have?
 

cubby1223

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Originally posted by: dlx22
imagine if we had 10 parties each with a presidential candidate...and the president elect wins with say 11% of the popular vote...i can only imagine how crazy things would get. lol

That's where runoff elections are used.
 

IceBergSLiM

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Standard Divide and conquer strategy. Polarize the voters on trivial issues and continue forward either way with the greater agenda regardless.
 
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Originally posted by: mooseracing
I don't get why we have parties even. Everyone complains about this politician that doesn't do what he runs for, it's because he has to please his party. If they all ran without parties the could vote how they want or actually mean. Which in the end would be bought off anyway.

my sentiments exactly.