Why do VWs have to be unreliable???

[cbrsurfr]

The current generation of VWs seem much more reliable than the last. I've had zero problems with my 2008 GTI and my buddy has had zero problems with his 2007 Rabbit thus far.

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
It's really down to the coil-pack debacle a few years ago and people in the US can't seem to get that out of their heads.

Saying that, I had a Mk4 V6 4Motion from new in 2000 and it needed the warranty, but only left me on the side of the road once in four years.

My 2003 Nissan has never left me on the side of the road and I've owned it for 5 years and almost 70,000 miles.

For every story like yours there will be a Nissan owner who will never buy one again. What does that prove?

E.g., Lotus are terrible for reliability, but you'd buy one in a heartbeat.

You don't buy a car like a Lotus Elise for reliability, you buy it for fun.

Why do you feel the need to school me on why people buy cars? We're talking reliability.

he does have a point though. The Elise is a weekend car whereas VWs are everyday cars. Reliability matters a lot more in VW than it does in a Lotus.

 

[JulesMaximus]

NM-Bad day yesterday

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: cbrsurfr
The current generation of VWs seem much more reliable than the last. I've had zero problems with my 2008 GTI and my buddy has had zero problems with his 2007 Rabbit thus far.

In all fairness, you wouldn't expect to have had problems with two brand-new cars. I hope the newer cars are better, but the overall reliability ratings seem to have remained mediocre to poor.

 

[ViviTheMage]

my 01 jetta is fine....

i want one of those Fahrenheits, but i missed out.

 

[Excelsior]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: Tab

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
It's really down to the coil-pack debacle a few years ago and people in the US can't seem to get that out of their heads.

Saying that, I had a Mk4 V6 4Motion from new in 2000 and it needed the warranty, but only left me on the side of the road once in four years.

My 2003 Nissan has never left me on the side of the road and I've owned it for 5 years and almost 70,000 miles.

For every story like yours there will be a Nissan owner who will never buy one again. What does that prove?

E.g., Lotus are terrible for reliability, but you'd buy one in a heartbeat.

You don't buy a car like a Lotus Elise for reliability, you buy it for fun.

Why do you feel the need to school me on why people buy cars? We're talking reliability.

Why the fuck do you feel the need to bring up the Lotus Elise everytime I post in a thread about cars? :|

You own a VW or an Audi or some other piece of shit that I don't like? You work for GM or something? Maybe you're just angry that Lotus chose a Toyota engine for the Elise/Exige rather than some pile of crap engine from GM. Or maybe you're just an a-hole.

If anyone is acting like an asshole here, its you.

 

[alimoalem]

idk if this is off topic or not but how does porsche's reliability stack up? better/worse/same as vw?

 

[Pliablemoose]

Marked as the best answer:

Because VW can still sell cars & people will put up with their shit.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: alimoalem
idk if this is off topic or not but how does porsche's reliability stack up? better/worse/same as vw?

Depends. They are more expensive to maintain for sure and not without problems...I guess it comes down to how much expense are you willing to put up with.

 

[Chunkee]

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
my 01 jetta is fine....

i want one of those Fahrenheits, but i missed out.

my dealership still has one. 24gs brand new HIGH YELLOW

 

[ElFenix]

i'm thinking typical german overly complicated engineering is at fault. while it may be fine for premium items like mercs, bmws, etc., when the cost targets of a mass market compact sedan have to be factored in something has to give.


and there is a difference between nice feeling/looking plastics, durable plastics, and properly fit and finished plastics.

 

[lurk3r]

I've modified my thinking on VW's a bit to help with my friend's sanity.

He absolutely insists on driving VW's, partially because its the only car that you can get with a decent diesel engine, and he drives 80 miles each way to work.

The modification is not to think of VW's as being unreliable, but as having scheduled meltdowns. If you do not change the timing belt at 30k miles, the car will do it for you, if you go 100 miles over on the oil change, you loose 10mpg, if you ignore a rattle, the front wheel will fall off. The vehicles are remarkable at their ability to detonate at scheduled intervals. (He's running at about 250k miles on a 2003 Jetta, maintenance costs have been more than the purchase price)

 

[Aharami]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: alimoalem
idk if this is off topic or not but how does porsche's reliability stack up? better/worse/same as vw?

Depends. They are more expensive to maintain for sure and not without problems...I guess it comes down to how much expense are you willing to put up with.

I took a quick look at consumer reports and Porsche is the best german carmaker right now. It in the top 10 most reliable, above the median, and right below the Japanese. It is much higher than VW/Merc

 

[ViviTheMage]

Originally posted by: Chunkee

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
my 01 jetta is fine....

i want one of those Fahrenheits, but i missed out.

my dealership still has one. 24gs brand new HIGH YELLOW

oh baby!

i looooove the clutch in it, so smooth.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Aharami

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: alimoalem
idk if this is off topic or not but how does porsche's reliability stack up? better/worse/same as vw?

Depends. They are more expensive to maintain for sure and not without problems...I guess it comes down to how much expense are you willing to put up with.

I took a quick look at consumer reports and Porsche is the best german carmaker right now. It in the top 10 most reliable, above the median, and right below the Japanese. It is much higher than VW/Merc

Found this with a quick google search: Basic oil change service on a Boxster in Canada starts @ $200-$250. 8 1/2 liters of synthetic oil -$10.00 per lit re and an oil filter costs $20.00. Oil change interval recommended @ 24,000 km, but I change it once a year because I don't drive it that often. I had a 5 year service done by a Porsche dealer. Had them change the coolant, brake fluid , gear box oil , adjust the park brake and checked the air bag system-cost $750. I changed the oil, oil filter and cabin air filter myself. Expect $1000. Spark plugs good for 100,000km. At 80,000km expect to have a serpentine belt(alternator belt) to need replacing. Labour rates @ dealership are between $95-$100 per hour. Check with your local Porsche service centre and ask about there service package costs. They usually vary according to time and mileage. Hope this helps, but as they say "If you can afford to buy the car, you can afford to maintain and fix it."

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: ViviTheMage
my 01 jetta is fine....

i want one of those Fahrenheits, but i missed out.

As luck would have it, I just saw one of the orange Fahrenheit GTIs the other day - it looked nice. I find the GTI pretty appealing in spite of the VW reliability issues, though I doubt I would actually buy one.

 

[Aharami]

Jules, what does the cost of ownership have to do with reliability?

 

[Knavish]

I remember when this car came out one of the big complaints from Road and Track was the 5 cyl engine is weak. Like 9+ second 0-60 weak. It's still the same engine, right?

http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...Id=105254/pageId=63379
edmund's 0-60 = 9.42 seconds. That's GOT to be near worst in class for a small sedan over $20k.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Aharami
Jules, what does the cost of ownership have to do with reliability?

I never said Porsche was unreliable, just that it would cost more than other cars to maintain.

 

[Aharami]

ah gotcha. well that's a given with porsche.

 

[M2008S]

go old vw. new ones suck. never heard of a jetta with a 5 cyl though are you sure about that? crazy.

 

[M2008S]

Originally posted by: dsity
blame the mexicans

yeah, meximade sux also

 

[chris7b]

Originally posted by: dsity
blame the mexicans

I don't know if you can use that excuse. We own 2 sentras and they're assembled in mexico. No problems. I know 4 other sentra owners. No problems!

 

[jagec]

Originally posted by: DivideBYZero
It's really down to the coil-pack debacle a few years ago and people in the US can't seem to get that out of their heads.

Saying that, I had a Mk4 V6 4Motion from new in 2000 and it needed the warranty, but only left me on the side of the road once in four years.

A 2000 left you on the side of the road? To my admittedly high standards, that screams "terrible reliability". There is NO excuse for a properly maintained <10 year old car to EVER fail in my mind.

My used-and-abused 1989 Celica NEVER left me on the side of the road. Sold it with ~220k on the odo, still running. My 89 MR2, same deal, much better car. Cars I have owned that have actually left me stranded include an 83 BMW (surprise, surprise) and a 1990 VW. I can't believe you people driving much newer cars are able to shrug off being stranded so easily. I'd be having fits.

 

[cbrsurfr]

The only engine currently available in the Jetta and the Rabbit is a 2.5L 5 cyl 170HP/177lb-ft. Originally it was 150HP/170lb-ft but was tweaked for more power for the 2008 model year.

From VW website:
2008 Rabbit: 0-60 mph (Manual/Automatic) 7.8 seconds/ 8 seconds
2008 Jetta 0-60 mph 8.5 seconds (doesn't list trans)

Base price of the Jetta S is $16,990. Not sure where edmunds got the $20K+ base that was mentioned earlier.