Why do union (members) support illegal immigration?

[Patranus]

I know why the union suits support illegal immigration and amnesty and that is because they see new members and more profits.....I mean revenue......I mean union dues.

What I don't understand is why members of unions support illegal immigration and amnesty. If there is a limited number of jobs why would union members want more people to compete with them for jobs?

I just find it interesting that union members turn out to support the suits at protests when it is against their self interest.

 

[Vette73]

404 Union support for illegals not found.


Just another Patranus troll thread

 

[Patranus]

404 Union support for illegals not found.


Just another Patranus troll thread

Um.

SEIU Arizona Boycott: Labor Group Will Avoid State After Immigration Law
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/06/seiu-arizona-boycott-labo_n_566194.html

SEIU/La Raza: Everyone Wants Amnesty
http://sweetness-light.com/archive/seiula-raza-everyone-wants-amnesty

SEIU Immigration Reform Kicks Off Week of Action
http://www.seiu.org/2010/01/seiu-immigration-reform-kicks-off-week-of-action.php

How about some pictures?

 

[Red Dawn]

SEIU seems to be voicing the concerns of it's Hispanic membership which make up a good percentage of that Union, at least that's my guess. It's a very activist union to say the least.

 

[Patranus]

SEIU seems to be voicing the concerns of it's Hispanic membership which make up a good percentage of that Union, at least that's my guess. It's a very activist union to say the least.

That is a diversion from the question.
I can understand why it would want to protect its current members from discrimination but that has nothing to do with illegal immigration and amnesty.

Immigration "reform" (amnesty) helps the union management but significantly hurts the union worker.

 

[CPA]

SEIU basically unionizes service employees (ie janitors, concessions, fast foods, etc). Who mostly works those jobs?

 

[rudder]

I think I see what the thread is about. By nature illegal immigrants are anti-union. If illegals could and did join unions... that would negate their economic advantage over legal immigrants. Too me it would seem through amnesty that all these illegal workers would suddenly have a harder time finding a job if they became legal workers all of a sudden. If suddenly that illegal worker you are paying $6-7 hour demands $14/hour + benefits... business owners are going to wait for the next wave of illegals.

I can see a union like SEIU supporting amnesty based on Red's comments... but it would do nothing to their bottom line and than cause companies to move from where they are under the unions thumb.

 

[Red Dawn]

That is a diversion from the question.
I can understand why it would want to protect its current members from discrimination but that has nothing to do with illegal immigration and amnesty.

Immigration "reform" (amnesty) helps the union management but significantly hurts the union worker.

Well seeing as it has a large percentage of Hispanic members and by far the Hispanic community is against that law and is for amnesty that's the conclusion I came too. CPA also makes a good point.The more members that Union has the more powerful and influential it is

 

[boomerang]

There's a certain portion of union members who are mindless idiots that vote the way they're told, spout off the union rhetoric when prodded and there are those that are capable of independent thought. IMO, the latter are in the majority - a silent majority.

I live in a state with no right to work laws. If you want the pay and benefits that a union job provides, you have to bite the bullet and do what's necessary. You have no choice but to join and the dues for all practical purposes are not negotiable.

What happens once you're in is that you then see individuals, for a variety of reasons, flock to the protection the union provides. These people "get involved" with the union activities to protect their own interests. These are the people you see at the rallies and so forth. They're bussed in at the expense of the union and I have absolutely not the slightest bit of doubt that they are being paid to be there too.

Many if not all unions are cesspools of corruption. It's the nature of the beast. It evolves over time as the original goals get lost and the top importance becomes the sustaining of the gravy train for those at the top.

It's all about dues. The unions have promised members the moon for many decades and have, for the most part, delivered. But the world is changing and the promises made are unsustainable. The only hope is to attract as many members as possible to keep the dues flowing in. With the complicity of the government and a card check law going their way, they just might pull it off - for a while. But it's a deck of cards that will eventually collapse under its own weight.

I believe the union leaders know that illegal immigration and amnesty for illegals is going to be detrimental to their members in the long run. The top boys are not dummies. Corrupt as the day is long, but not stupid by any means. They're backed into a corner without a card check law and this is the only avenue open for them.

You're seeing the push going on today at the intensity it is because they've got the best friend in the White House that they've had for more decades that I can remember. This may be their last chance to make it happen.

But don't think the fall of the unions would be some kind of boondoggle. The consequences are not going to necessarily be good for the nation. Our economy is a balancing act in the best of times. There are a lot of union members in the nation. Pulling out one leg of a three cornered stool will result in some chaos. Of that I'm certain.

 

[IGBT]

votes and union dues.

 

[DucatiMonster696]

SEIU seems to be voicing the concerns of it's Hispanic membership which make up a good percentage of that Union, at least that's my guess. It's a very activist union to say the least.

Actually they are voicing the agenda of the liberals in this nation and there own agenda of expanding their membership pool. There are a lot of Hispanics who are totally against illegal immigration.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

What I don't understand is why members of unions support illegal immigration and amnesty. If there is a limited number of jobs why would union members want more people to compete with them for jobs?

I just find it interesting that union members turn out to support the suits at protests when it is against their self interest.

I don't understand it at all, either. Is it Unions members--little guys, or is it liberal politician-like Union leaders who could be receiving all sorts of kickbacks and political payback for supporting mass immigration?

 

[Red Dawn]

Actually they are voicing the agenda of the liberals in this nation and there own agenda of expanding their membership pool. There are a lot of Hispanics who are totally against illegal immigration.

I'm sure there are but I'm willing to bet that those who are only a generation or two out of Mexico are very sympathetic to the illegal's cause and those are the ones who are predominatly in the service industry which SEIU represents. Keep in mind that a lot of those who are only a generation or two out of Mexico might of had a parent or grand parent who at one time might have been illegal and was granted amnesty by Ronald Reagan. It would makes sense that those would want the same thing for the current group of illegal aliens

 

[spidey07]

I'm sure there are but I'm willing to bet that those who are only a generation or two out of Mexico are very sympathetic to the illegal's cause and those are the ones who are predominatly in the service industry which SEIU represents. Keep in mind that a lot of those who are only a generation or two out of Mexico might of had a parent or grand parent who at one time might have been illegal and was granted amnesty by Ronald Reagan. It would makes sense that those would want the same thing for the current group of illegal aliens

Not really. Every poll I've seen shows the biggest group that dislikes illegal immigrants the most are LEGAL immigrants and their LEGAL families.

 

[Red Dawn]

Not really. Every poll I've seen shows the biggest group that dislikes illegal immigrants the most are LEGAL immigrants and their LEGAL families.

Interesting, have a link for about 4 or 5 of those polls, especially those who are from Mexico?

 

[Zebo]

1. More democrats means more pro labor laws. Once democrats have a strangle hold on American politics with influx of 30 million democrats not only will you have the right to organize, it will be mandatory.

2. SEIU is service workers - a workforce today of largely non union and illegal using fake SS cards to get jobs. Once they are legal with the help of SEIU they will come into SEIU fold and make union biggest and richest. McDonalds workers and janitors will make $15 an hour instead of $7.

 

[bfdd]

On top of what others have said, it also allows them to demand the wages they do when you have a lot of unskilled cheap laborers. A lot of cheap unskilled labor allows for the skilled laborers to ask for more.

 

[NesuD]

I can say that in my experience all union members do not support illegal immigration. That said, viewpoints that are at variance with the union leadership are generally discouraged and those that do speak up are quickly shouted down by the union leadership. Unfortunately the majority of union members tend to think, do, and say what their union leadership instructs them to. The union leadership knows their political power is derived from the liberal left therefore they will throw their support behind their causes to support their benefactors. The union membership goes along even when they don't feel the same way because they have been conditioned to think this is how you express solidarity. Basically it goes like this: "I may agree with you that illegal immigration is bad, however my union leadership supports an opposing point of view so to show my solidarity with my union brothers I am going to go along with it because they are my friends and you are not". Publically voicing points of view opposed to those espoused by the union leadership is a surefire recipe for ridicule and harassment. Unions are not democracies and there is no freedom of speech guaranteed to you by Unions.

 

[bfdd]

NesuD, you a union guy or ex-union or have family in unions because you pretty much hit it straight on the head. The fact is a lot of people who are parts of a union don't actually agree with the upper management of the union. Unions have strength because they stick together, the leaders of these unions like to get their members behind them in strength and use things like "the only reason we were able to accomplish this was because we are united, so we have to be united no matter what." My orientation for apprenticeship was seriously one of the most indoctrinating pieces of bullshit I ever had to sit through.

 

[werepossum]

But the SEIU isn't really a union as such, it's the evolution of ACORN. It's purpose isn't to directly protect and serve its members, but rather to usher in worldwide Marxism beginning by destroying the poster child of capitalism, the USA, on the assumption that this will benefit its unskilled members by transferring money from skilled workers. Beyond SEIU you won't find many union members supporting illegal immigration, although union leadership, being in bed with the Democrats, may voice support to help Democrats politically.

 

[PandaBear]

The reason is simple, even if you are a legal immigrant or even a non immigrant (native born) that will get intimidated against due to the way you look, or someone else having a racial profile against your ethnic group, you would naturally want to defend against it.

Heck, I'm not even an illegal immigrant and I'm not even Latino (or even look like one for God's sake), but I am against that law because one it started, they can use this to go against any ethnic group the majority, aka white, do not like.

If you want to stop illegal immigrant related crime issue or ID people, make the law request ID checking against everyone. Not just legal and illegal immigrant. Anyone who is against checking everyone but support checking only on immigrant is IMO a racist.

 

[Patranus]

Many people are missing the entire point of this thread and going back to Arizona.

The point is immigration "reform" in general.

If illegal immigrations are giving legal status they can join unions providing more money to the suits while taking jobs away from current union members.

Since there is a limited number of jobs why would anyone who is in a union support expansion which would limit the number of job opportunities they could have.

 

[Danube]

The answer is in this video below


SEIU's Eliseo Medina Speaks on Immigrants for Votes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK7K0itgQt0


Big unions like SEIU don't just want more dues they want more power. They know the illegals are perfect for unions and so does Obama (he already said he wants them in unions "for their protection". Eliseo Medina says in video "8 million new voters create a coalition for the long term and not just for the election cycle". They help build a progressive "coalition for the future"

Not everyone in a union will support amnesty and illegals because they know it can mean their job. But the way unions are set up it doesn't matter because the leadership wants power and it will spend the money as it wants. Workers will still have to pay their dues no matter what

Unions are becoming a third party in themselves and if they get enough member's and money they get more votes and more influence and more legislation. Health-care was Obama's gift to SEIU.

Its really the same old Marxist, workers international thing where a party elite (Democrats) and it's drones get leverage over private sector for themselves.

 

[werepossum]

The answer is in this video below


SEIU's Eliseo Medina Speaks on Immigrants for Votes
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK7K0itgQt0


Big unions like SEIU don't just want more dues they want more power. They know the illegals are perfect for unions and so does Obama (he already said he wants them in unions "for their protection". Eliseo Medina says in video "8 million new voters create a coalition for the long term and not just for the election cycle". They help build a progressive "coalition for the future"

Not everyone in a union will support amnesty and illegals because they know it can mean their job. But the way unions are set up it doesn't matter because the leadership wants power and it will spend the money as it wants. Workers will still have to pay their dues no matter what

Unions are becoming a third party in themselves and if they get enough member's and money they get more votes and more influence and more legislation. Health-care was Obama's gift to SEIU.

Its really the same old Marxist, workers international thing where a party elite (Democrats) and it's drones get leverage over private sector for themselves.

Reminds me of the old internationalist socialist unions in post-World War I Germany. Accordingly it makes me wonder if, should the economy totally crash, we will see a similar rise of an ultra-nationalist socialist party. Given growth of government over the last couple decades one could with a wink and a nod see the Democrat and Republican parties spinning out that same dynamic - hopefully minus the insane leaders and the death camps!

 

[Budmantom]

Let me be clear, they much like our dumbass president haven't read the bill so they don't want to comment on it but they know it will lead to racial profiling.