Why do ultra liberal types hate walmart but not amazon?

hans007

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I had this argument with a former roommate (who happens to be getting a doctorate in education at UC berkeley hippy land).

now i'm an immigrant. my parents had very little when they came here. my dad worked at a chinese restaurant, and repairing vcrs after he took night classes etc. these were not "good" jobs.

i make pretty good money at this point and my father worked his way up to being a C level exec, so I get the "you are rich you don't know what poor is like" garbage from liberals, when i grew up probably worse than they did. i guess i love trolling liberals types, since i'm the "model minority".

so what i don't get is all the talk of the "living wage" for say a mcdonalds or walmart employee. i worked a few summer jobs in manufacturing when i was in high school / college which were much more difficult than say walmart for minimum wage. i always thought hey this job is awful, best to get some real job skills so as to never have to do this for a living permanently. so that is usually my argument against the liberal types.

but what galls me even more and probably kills them is. why are you hating on walmart in particular? most of these are the douchey iphone starbucks types (same idiots on their iphones who were camping out at occupy wallstreet while i was working a real job) i mean every retail place has basically the same benefits / pay. and the worst part is why do they love amazon? thats the part i dont get the most! amazon basically eliminates retail jobs entirely and their distribution centers are just as bad as working at walmart, just with even less manpower.

i mean i'm 32 probably the generation the boomers think is totally entitled and screwed up, but the older i get the more i am disgusted at the vast majority of people my age (or maybe just people in general, there are an awful lot of worthless people out there).
 

glenn1

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Walmart is from Arkansas, thus suspect. They probably do hate Amazon too, but enjoy the sales tax free shopping experience it provides. For brick and mortar, they think it's better to shop at Target since it's based in Minneapolis and thus safe and "they treat their workers better" for some unknown and bogus reason.
 

Phokus

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i mean every retail place has basically the same benefits / pay.

You can make 40k a year as a cashier at Costco (edit: and good medical benefits too). I heard quickstop convenience store clerks make similar pay. So no, that's not true. It's just these places CHOOSE not to pay decent wages. It's not that they CAN'T.
 

Meghan54

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i mean every retail place has basically the same benefits / pay.


Not even close to reality. So, I can see what your problem is. You need to open your eyes and start living in the real world instead of making ignorance based blanket statements like the one quoted above.
 

dank69

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I thought everyone hates Walmart? At least that's what everyone tells me while we're all shopping there. :hmm:
 

mmntech

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Walmart invades their ultra exclusive neighbourhoods. Then they're forced to look at low income earners shopping and working there. It deeply unsettles them as they feel guilty about their own success, as they drive to pick up the groceries in their Audi Q7 or BMW M3. Of course they could just pay more so those people got paid better. But it's better off someone else pay for it instead through higher taxes.

Now Amazon? Those warehouses are set up in the industrial district. Nobody has to look at it.
 

crashtestdummy

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My guess is that it's because the effect of a Walmart is more tangible. They can see a Walmart show up in their town and supplant a lot of the less efficient businesses. Amazon, on the other hand, exists both everywhere and nowhere at once. By which I mean, it's much harder to say "Amazon came to town and all the mom and pop book stores are gone", but the effect isn't that much different.

I also think that's there's an increasing divide on the left regarding technology and industry that doesn't go along standard far left/centrist designations. There's a "progressive" group that sees technology as useful, markets as beneficial, and globalization as a good thing (think Obama or the Clintons). Then, there's a "reactionary" left that views technology as evil, is wary of genetic engineering and vaccines, and is protectionist in nature (think Greenpeace supporters). There's a similar divide happening on the right (think Romney vs Michele Bachmann), and I wonder if these will be the party lines of the future.
 
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Phokus

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Walmart invades their ultra exclusive neighbourhoods. Then they're forced to look at low income earners shopping and working there. It deeply unsettles them as they feel guilty about their own success, as they drive to pick up the groceries in their Audi Q7 or BMW M3. Of course they could just pay more so those people got paid better. But it's better off someone else pay for it instead through higher taxes.

Now Amazon? Those warehouses are set up in the industrial district. Nobody has to look at it.

Amazon treats their warehouse workers like garbage too. However, i read an article about how Amazon wanted to expand in Germany, but Germany has so many favorable labor laws that Amazon has no choice but to treat their warehouse workers there well, unlike their American counterparts.
 

purbeast0

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i don't hate walmart, i just hate going in there because of the people in there. it also smells funny. i guess lower class people just have an odor to them.
 

hans007

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Not even close to reality. So, I can see what your problem is. You need to open your eyes and start living in the real world instead of making ignorance based blanket statements like the one quoted above.


ok blanket statement, i'm sure theres a few retail establishments that for whatever reason pay really well. granted i havent worked a retail type job in a decade, but im going to go out on a limb here and assume you aren't making much more than a dollar over minimum wage to work entry level at say target or kohls or tj maxx entry level either. how about "MOST retail jobs probably aren't much different"

oh wait this is the internet we can actually look things up!

http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/Target-Salaries-E194.htm
 

KeithP

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Walmart is hated because they aren't Unionized. Liberals love Unions because Unions give them lots of money and tell their members to vote democrat. Unions also tend to attract entitlement types that want things they haven't earned and are unwilling to work for which fits nicely with the liberal agenda.

It is very symbiotic.

Oh yeah, wrong forum.

-KeithP
 

crashtestdummy

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i don't hate walmart, i just hate going in there because of the people in there. it also smells funny. i guess lower class people just have an odor to them.

I hate going there for those reasons as well. It always has that sickly sweet smell. Every time I shop there is just an unpleasant experience, so I go elsewhere.
 

nehalem256

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Poor people shop at Walmart. Upper-middle class ultra liberal types shop at Amazon.

It should be obvious why they hate one and not the other.
 

CPA

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i like walmart and love amazon

the only store that smells around here is kmart.

This. You couldn't pay me to go to a Kmart any more.

And as for Target, why the hell would I pay more for the same product I can get at Walmart for less?
 

nehalem256

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You can make 40k a year as a cashier at Costco (edit: and good medical benefits too). I heard quickstop convenience store clerks make similar pay. So no, that's not true. It's just these places CHOOSE not to pay decent wages. It's not that they CAN'T.

http://www.glassdoor.com/Salary/QuikTrip-Salaries-E2947.htm

Do you perhaps mean Quicktrip?

Which pays 8.74/hr for a clerk.

But does coincidentally pay 40k for an assistant manager.
 

hans007

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And my bad for not putting this in the politics forums. I didn't really think this was particularly political or maybe I misinterpreted the difference. I mean I'm not debating a bill or government related thing really but if it needs moving then mod can you move it?
 
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KlokWyze

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This. You couldn't pay me to go to a Kmart any more.

And as for Target, why the hell would I pay more for the same product I can get at Walmart for less?

it has more attractive women working and shopping there. i will pay 5% more for that and to avoid the unwashed walmart hordes.

have any of you ever been to walmart on say Saturday @ around noon? o_O

stupid people are everywhere in all walks of life, but walmart definitely concentrates them into 1 convenient location.
 

SlitheryDee

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And my bad for not putting this in the politics forums. I didn't really think this was particularly political or maybe I misinterpreted the difference. I mean I'm not debating a bill or government related thing really

Lol. Whenever you have the urge to start a thread with "Why do ultra liberal types..." you should know where it goes.

I agree with you in general though. Liberals and conservatives both hold MANY hypocritical opinions and beliefs. For some reason the liberal ones piss me off more often than the conservative ones, but you can't claim they have a monopoly on ridiculous notions.
 

Phokus

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And my bad for not putting this in the politics forums. I didn't really think this was particularly political or maybe I misinterpreted the difference. I mean I'm not debating a bill or government related thing really but if it needs moving then mod can you move it?

Oh wow, you are mentally retarded. You didn't even get past half the title without being political.

Gonna start a thread called 'why are conservatives illiterate retards?'
 

lxskllr

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There's numerous reasons I don't like Walmart, and I'm ambivalent regarding Amazon, but I blame their patrons more than the stores themselves. The stores are providing what the people demand. Want them to be better? Speak with your wallet.
 

Gunslinger08

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They hate Walmart because it's the cool thing to do. They don't hate Amazon because:
1. Everyone loves Amazon. Ultimately, everyone wants a good deal. Free shipping and no collection of sales tax (depending on your state) are huge benefits for a lot of people.
2. Amazon doesn't have retail stores in every city. Walmart has a big building you can aim your hate/guilt at. Amazon doesn't have a warehouse in your backyard.

I find it pretty crazy how "profit" has become a 4 letter word in the past 50 years. Walmart operates on ~3-3.5% margin. Costco is about half that. Apple is over 20%. The stereotypical hippy/liberal love for Apple is pretty amazing to me, given their prices and the recent revelations of working conditions at Chinese factories.

Why exactly do unskilled jobs need to pay a living wage? There are already tons of assistance programs for people living below the poverty line. Private enterprise shouldn't be subsidizing/encouraging people to stay unskilled. The "American Dream" is to work your way up from inauspicious beginnings. This requires learning skills. People were never intended to stay in entry level jobs for their entire lives. Go to school and learn something. Apprentice to a tradesman. Work hard at your entry level job, learn your manager's responsibilities, and take his/her job when they leave. Basically do anything other than be complacent.
 

PokerGuy

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Walmart is hated because they aren't Unionized. Liberals love Unions because Unions give them lots of money and tell their members to vote democrat. Unions also tend to attract entitlement types that want things they haven't earned and are unwilling to work for which fits nicely with the liberal agenda.

It is very symbiotic.

Oh yeah, wrong forum.

-KeithP

Ding ding, we have a winnar, excellent post. :thumbsup: