Why do they make video games so hard these days?

[drag]

Maybe I'm just too grown up for video games now.

Doubt it.

Who doesn't play games? Weither or not they are video.. hell a big market is for people over 40.

Probably just need a change. Maybe don't take it so seriously.
or maybe just a different sort, like this I've found. It's spout

Interesting little game from a Japanese game maker. Free, of course.

 

[AmericasTeam]

Originally posted by: biostud666
Nah, it's fine except for the place in the end at the volcano where you have to avoid far too many rocket guys, and other mutants with no place to hide, that is just plain stupid

Still stuck there

Yeah that part was a little hard, but a little strategy can get you through it.

To the person that tried to compare Serious Sam to Far Cry - you know nothing about games.

Argo - you need to get some game.

 

[49erinnc]

Originally posted by: biostud666

Originally posted by: Todd33
Far Cry is a lot easier if you us e "~" and "\save_game <name>", I hate the system they use for saves.

And that was just how i finished FarCry, just now. It's unpossible in the end if not using extra saves. I still had to reload many many times. That was the only time it was insane IMHO (and riding the jeep), I played on challenge difficulty level.

*Spoiler Below:*


I thought the (alleged) difficulty of the final stage was completely overrated. As I said in another thread, the very last stage was maybe only the 3rd toughest of the game.

For the last part of the dam (at the base of the volcano), just drive the jeep up to the broken bridge. If you fire towards the rocket guys to the left, they'll come at you and you can kill the first two with the machine gun on the Jeep. After they're dead, drive down to the left and run over the other two (have to hit them twice). Then back up the Jeep to the point where you can barely see the rocket guys on the other side of the lava river and take them out one at a time. Just takes a little aim and some patience. If you do it right, you can take out all but like one Fat Boy (rocket guy). Go cross the log, jump over the rocks to the other side and run past him. You'll come up on a couple of the jumpy trigen dudes but a few machine gun shots to the head and they're done. Just conserve some ammo for the 3 guys coming in the Jeep. The guys in the Jeep will come down the hill and just machine gun them, take the Jeep over the crest of the hill and take out all the guys down below (especially the guy on the stationary machine gun). Run in the weapons shack on the left and take the rest out, if there are any. The rocket launcher is your friend on the first wave of guards in the hallway and Krieger isn't that tough if you avoid his grenades.

The final stage was easier than that one in my opinion, especially the very end when you come up on the big satellite dish. Nothing Cryovision, the sniper rifle and that big belt machine gun can't get you through. For the guards up by Doyell, just run up close enough to toss a grenade which will draw a couple out at a time and then run back to the dish's center and shoot them. Repeat that process until most or all are dead. (will need Cryovision to see them camping). I still say Rebellion was the toughest map based on how much time I spent on it and how many restarts I had to use.

 

[BFG10K]

Far Cry was hard because a checkpoint system just doesn't work for open spaces.

 

[krackato]

You don't know hard until you've played Ninja Gaiden for the Xbox.

 

[Maximilian]

Rebellion- A good tactic i found was to at the start lure as many monsters as you can to the little pool you jump into, Trigens cant swim you may have to go close and move about a little but the fatbois will somtimes walk after you and then drown. Little monkey things are a bit harder to get to drown. Even if there are still a few trigens standing there, you can make a run across the forest (listen for growls and avoid) and you will come to a chopper with a gatling cannon so anything thats following you will wish it hadent.

Inside volcano- If you can snipe those jumping trigens with machine guns before the fatboi gets to the entrance then you have a better chance of survival as the fatbois cant hit you if your running but they can. As for the rocket dudes, just get close to the wall and toss a grenade over the top, these guys have a tendancy to blow themselves up with the rockets making it a bit easier.

 

[oldman420]

i say if a game is too hard then it will last longer and if you REALLY cant beat it there are usualy cheats of some sort.
i know a guy that played cod on veteran level the first time through he says it gives him a lot of satisgaction knowing he raelly beat the game

 

[Sureshot324]

I find that there isn't enough difference in the difficulty levels in a lot of games. I played through far cry on challenging the first time and then played the first few levels on the hardest setting and it wasn't really much different. The developers just adjust the enemies hit points, accuracy and damage a bit and don't really give much thought in how to best make the game challenging to a wide variety in skill levels.

 

[Britboy]

I really enjoyed playing FarCry. It was difficult for me at 'Medium difficulty'. I still havent got past the very last stage where you have to descend into the volcano, its insane!

The game made me change the way I played to be successful. I stopped doing simple 'run and gun', my mode of operation in the other shooters, and instead started to use much more stealth. I found taking out several enemies without them having a clue where I was to be very rewarding.

I also enjoyed Halo because you could only carry a couple of weapons and had to be very careful choosing what you kept with you, how much ammo you had etc.

For us that grew up playing games I think the difficulty is fair, for people new to PC gaming, I feel for them, having to use a dozen or more keys with one hand, getting used to mouse control!

I do like the option to use codes to help me or unlock certain things, if and only if I am truely stuck. What I really dislike is games like Colin McRae Rally 4 where they try and milk extra cash out of you by having you call a premium phone line to get unlock codes.

 

[eLiu]

Far Cry was awesome until the trigens. Now it's just irritating. It was awesome crawling through the forest, hiding in the grass/bushes waiting for that next patrol to walk by so you can pop one or two guys in the head. Then watching the AI scramble and hide, call for help, or whatever. Or when you have a sniper rifle approaching a base-camp...good times.

But the trigens...just, wtf. Esp those big ones with rocket launchers for arms. Just irritating.

 

[49erinnc]

Not sure the concept of the trigens was a good idea but without them, the game would be ridiculously easy IMO. None of the mercenary-only maps were difficult at all because even without the sniper, you could pick off guys from a LONG way off so that you could clear the way for yourself. The trigens were a bit cheesy at times but they changed the whole dynamic of the game for the better because of the added difficulties.

 

[49erinnc]

Originally posted by: Soviet
Rebellion- A good tactic i found was to at the start lure as many monsters as you can to the little pool you jump into, Trigens cant swim you may have to go close and move about a little but the fatbois will somtimes walk after you and then drown. Little monkey things are a bit harder to get to drown. Even if there are still a few trigens standing there, you can make a run across the forest (listen for growls and avoid) and you will come to a chopper with a gatling cannon so anything thats following you will wish it hadent.

Actually, that's the beginning of the Dam and not Rebellion. I had no problem with the Dam because you just haul butt to the helicopter and then wax everything coming at you. Rebellion was well before that point in the game, where the lighthouses are, the flying fox, several hang gliders and the huge enemy fight that takes place just before the bridge leading to the Archives. That map was huge, difficult and time consuming unless you wussed your way through the map (just ran/drove past everything which isn't "playing" if you ask me). Other than a Fat Boy or two, I'm not sure I left a single heart beating on any of the maps.

 

[GeneralGrievous]

Games are too easy, not too hard.

 

[Rankor]

Try realistic on variable ai.

It's pretty fun.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Originally posted by: krackato
You don't know hard until you've played Ninja Gaiden for the Xbox.

Agreed - that is the only game where I've ever played it for a few hours, and immediately thrown it on eBay because of its difficulty. I just had the sense I would never get through it. To me a really hard console game is more frustrating than a similarly hard FPS, because of the imprecision of the controls. That said, I ended up playing FC on Easy because of the frustration of the checkpoint save system.

 

[Bar81]

Ninja Gaiden isn't difficult. It's a sh*t game. When a developer doesn't know how to properly code a camera that doesn't qualify as "difficult" it qualifies as a poor game. Please don't mix crap with Far Cry; they're on completely different levels.

 

[krackato]

Dude, Ninja Gaiden is awesome. Yeah, the camera sucks. If that's a deal breaker for you, so be it.

 

[Maximilian]

Originally posted by: 49erinnc

Originally posted by: Soviet
Rebellion- A good tactic i found was to at the start lure as many monsters as you can to the little pool you jump into, Trigens cant swim you may have to go close and move about a little but the fatbois will somtimes walk after you and then drown. Little monkey things are a bit harder to get to drown. Even if there are still a few trigens standing there, you can make a run across the forest (listen for growls and avoid) and you will come to a chopper with a gatling cannon so anything thats following you will wish it hadent.

Actually, that's the beginning of the Dam and not Rebellion. I had no problem with the Dam because you just haul butt to the helicopter and then wax everything coming at you. Rebellion was well before that point in the game, where the lighthouses are, the flying fox, several hang gliders and the huge enemy fight that takes place just before the bridge leading to the Archives. That map was huge, difficult and time consuming unless you wussed your way through the map (just ran/drove past everything which isn't "playing" if you ask me). Other than a Fat Boy or two, I'm not sure I left a single heart beating on any of the maps.

Ah yes lol i forgot what levels what I was playing it again and got to rebellion and kept running right into fatbois in the dark. Much fun

 

[Cerb]

It's because we have gotten better. Those of us wh have played FPS gaes since '95.
Nowaays, I can go through Quake on hard ad not break a sweat. Something to do when bored, but not ay great challenge.

Now, some of us are als just crazy. People complain about the MW games because they are so ard to control...WTF, Super Mario Brothers was harder.

 

[ScrewFace]

Yes, today's games are too hard and that makes you want to stop playing. I still play GLQuake at the Nightmare level and I always get thru it all without being killed because there's enough armor, ammo, secrets and things to hide behind (strafing) to make the game beatable. Today's games aren't like that at all and are nearly impossible to beat without cheating, know what I'm sayin'?

 

[Argo]

Just read somebody's thread on metroid prime and I realized something. What I meant in my original post wasn't that the games were too difficult, but rather too repetetive. Take Far Cry for example - the sole difficulty of the game was in shooting the monsters, nothing else. The first few levels were exciting with machine guns, vehicles and etc. Then it seemed like developers got bored and just dumped a bunch of monster in the room. Yeah, it's tough but it's also gets boring after a while.

Metroid Prime, on the other hand was perfect. It was difficult as hell, but it kept changing throughout the game. Diffirent monster, different puzzles, etc...

 

[elkinm]

I have only played the FarCry demo and I think it is to easy and stupid when I can easily use cover to hide, and I don't like limited weapons range.

I don't think games are to hard just a little annoying when an enemy machine gun can't miss, but that is because I play a game until I find a way to go through it without taking a single hit and really hate it when my health drops to 99 when I did not notice.

 

[elkinm]

And if you have any friends who want to learn how to play show them the original Unreal Tournament. The begging levels are just pathetically easy even for someone with no finger an mouse control and is really hard in the Championship levels. Best way to learn the game.

 

[CVSiN]

Ninja Gaiden on Xbox= hardest game I have ever played period..
the game lasted all of about 3 weeks in my house.. got mad once and for all and traded it for another game.

 

[MustangSVT]

wow.. you must be young...

try playing old games..