Why do they cancel jewels like FireFly and Carnivale

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo

Originally posted by: DaShen

Originally posted by: torpid
Firefly was overrated. It was entertaining, and would have made a good replacement for Lexx on Sci Fi, but it wasn't even as good as Farscape in my opinion, and certainly not as good as BSG.

I have only seen a few episodes of BSG, I thought it was good, but it lacked the appeal of Firefly because all the machinery was too hightech (Star Trek like). It seemed interesting, and maybe I would like it, but it didn't seem believable that all of that machinery could be so easily fixed. Also, the dialogue isn't as witty. It is juiced up with drama and charged with emotions (the dialogue that it), but it lacks a certain amount of thought to the words used. It gets the point across and excites the audience, but it doesn't make you laugh or think about how the dialogue fits the character. A lot of thought seemed to go into the words used by each character in Firefly.

A friend of mine is into Farscape and had me watch some of the show (it was pretty good, but not as believable, some episodes were downright hokey). I mean how many times can someone be frozen, die, get his head chopped off till it becomes a little unrealistic that they can bring him back. The dialogue had wit to it, but I enjoyed the synergy in the cast for firefly better as well. Again, good show, but I think that Firefly really had much more of a realistic appeal to it than either of these shows. If the human race occupied other planets and some were neglected, technology would regress in those areas.

The way Firefly was filmed too, the angles and panning really added to the grittiness and realism of the show. It was a bold step for a director to film a show in that way, but no one caught it because not a large amount of people actually like to think when they watch television. IMO.

you have to start with the 3 hour miniseries of bsg. its on dvd

Originally posted by: middlehead
NBC/Universal, which owns Sci-Fi, owns the movie rights now. But, because Fox finally realized their mistake in yanking around and cancelling the show (at least one exec admitted it in newspaper interviews), they drug their feet on shopping it out and then put a 'no new TV' clause in the sale.

no i don't think so, they can say anything now that they won't bother with it, but the basic fact is they are not in the business of losing money. the tv show bombed, the movie bombed, i don't think they would bother trying to lose money a 3rd time.

I wouldn't say the movie bombed. Budget was $39 million, worldwide gross was $38 million, Source, and dvd sales/rentals are pretty much guaranteed to make it profitable.

 

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that number is gross, not net and doesn't include marketing costs in different markets. the retained revenue from box office is about 50%, so it has to sell a whole lotta dvds just to get into the black. and that pretty much qualifies as a bomb. not to mention advertising is not included in budget figures. it adds another hit in each additional market they try for and probably took a decent bite out of any international sales.

 

[0roo0roo]

a list of flops and turkeys for reference http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_films_generating_losses

 

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Originally posted by: 0roo0roo
that number is gross, not net and doesn't include marketing costs in different markets. the retained revenue from box office is about 50%, so it has to sell a whole lotta dvds just to get into the black. and that pretty much qualifies as a bomb. not to mention advertising is not included in budget figures. it adds another hit in each additional market they try for and probably took a decent bite out of any international sales.

I still think it will do ok. It's just the kind of movie that a lot of people will buy on dvd, especially since the series sold so well on dvd.

 

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Firefly was crap, but Carnivale was good.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: torpid
Firefly was overrated. It was entertaining, and would have made a good replacement for Lexx on Sci Fi, but it wasn't even as good as Farscape in my opinion, and certainly not as good as BSG.

Farscape was a great show!