Why do the same people that argue against abortion support the death penalty, and vice versa?

[notfred]

Some people beleive that it's wrong to take another human life. They argue that it's not our place to choose who can live and who can't, and that all people are entitled to thier own life. It doesn't matter if that life may be a burden on society, it still has the right to exist. For this reason they don't beleive in abortion. However, msot of these people seem to support the death penalty. "Kill them all and let God sort them out", etc...

Then other people beleive that it's wrong to take another human life. They argue that it's not our place to choose who can live and who can't, and that all people are entitled to thier own life. It doesn't matter if that life may be a burden on society, it still has the right to exist. This is why they don't beleive in the death penalty. However, they typically don't have a problem with abortion. "It's not really alive yet", etc....

I know there are plenty of exceptions to this rule, however we have two major political parties that generally support one of the above viewpoints. Both of which seem very hypocritical to me.

< - doesn't beleive in the death penalty or abortion (except under certain extenuating circumstances, the nature of which is irrelevant to this thread)...

 

[MainFramed]

i dont "believe" in abortion ...but yet i would never have to make a choice whether or not to get an abortion either =\. if a woman was to get raped and then become pregnant, she might wanna consider an abortion. then that would be one of the case where i am "pro choice" you could say.

 

[notfred]

This thread isn't about abortion (or the death penalty) it's about hipocrasy and the value of human life.

 

[WinkOsmosis]

Because people are stupid. It's that simple. I'm anti abortion and anti death penalty. Both are murder.

 

[yowolabi]

It's only hypocrisy if one thinks exactly as you do. If a person doesn't think that a few cells make a life, then there is no hypocrisy in their thinking. If you start at the position that for a fact you know where life begins and that the point is not debatable, then this post is about abortion and not about hypocrisy after all. More to the point, it's about why doesn't everyone think like you do, because you have a direct line to the truth.

 

[misle]

I think it all comes down to personal responsibility.

If you get knocked up (or knock someone up), you need to take responsiblility for your actions and raise the child (or paying child support or giving the child up for adoption).

If you kill someone (or commit a capital offense), you need to take resopnsibility for your actions and be punished (capital punishment, if called for by the laws of that state).

 

[Kev]

I don't see where the hypocrisy lies. When you abort a fetus, you are killing an innocent person who never even had the opportunity to do something wrong. With the death penalty, the person being killed has decided that he/she doesn't value human life, so why should we value theirs?

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: notfred
This thread isn't about abortion (or the death penalty) it's about hipocrasy and the value of human life.

Sorry but not all those who are anti-abortion dislike abortion because of the reasons listed. I am anti-abortion because it is an innocent life. A murderer is NOT an innocent life. Do you see the difference?

 

[Ameesh]

I am pro-choice and against capital punishment and the reason is i dont see abortions as murder, especially early abortions. I dont consider a clump of cells to be a human being.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: misle
I think it all comes down to personal responsibility.

If you get knocked up (or knock someone up), you need to take responsiblility for your actions and raise the child (or paying child support or giving the child up for adoption).

If you kill someone (or commit a capital offense), you need to take resopnsibility for your actions and be punished (capital punishment, if called for by the laws of that state).

What makes giving up a child for adoption any more a responsible action than having an abortion? And how does being executed make you any more responsible for your actions than serving a prison term?

 

[gplanet]

I've become a lot more liberal in the last year or so, and my views have flip-flopped.

I used to be against abortion and for the death penalty, and now the opposite.

My reasons?

It should be someone's choice whether or not to have their own child. This isn't the government telling someone that they have to have an abortion, or can't have one. Maybe in China.
On the death penalty, under no circumstances do I believe it's the government's right to decide an adult (or these days, 12 year old's) right to live or die.

I think murderers should be sentenced to life in jail with their own choice of whether to live or die. Everyone should at any time have the right to die

 

[ATLien247]

The convicted murderer that is sitting on Death Row had the choice to kill or not, and they chose poorly. By common law, their life is forfeit.

The unborn child has yet to make any such choices; they have a clean slate if you will. What rationale would you have then to take the child's life?

 

[MercenaryForHire]

Originally posted by: Millennium
Sorry but not all those who are anti-abortion dislike abortion because of the reasons listed. I am anti-abortion because it is an innocent life. A murderer is NOT an innocent life. Do you see the difference?

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Millennium
Sorry but not all those who are anti-abortion dislike abortion because of the reasons listed. I am anti-abortion because it is an innocent life. A murderer is NOT an innocent life. Do you see the difference?

So, the innocent deserve to live, and the guilty deserve to die? (neither of you offered your views on capital punishment)

Who are we, as a society, to judge innocence and guilt with a certainty that we can give or revoke life based on our judgement? Are we that infallible?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: notfred
This thread isn't about abortion (or the death penalty) it's about hipocrasy and the value of human life.

Sorry but not all those who are anti-abortion dislike abortion because of the reasons listed. I am anti-abortion because it is an innocent life. A murderer is NOT an innocent life. Do you see the difference?

Not really. You'll end up supporting ending the life of someone who was an unwanted pregnancy in the end.

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: notfred
This thread isn't about abortion (or the death penalty) it's about hipocrasy and the value of human life.

Sorry but not all those who are anti-abortion dislike abortion because of the reasons listed. I am anti-abortion because it is an innocent life. A murderer is NOT an innocent life. Do you see the difference?

Not really. You'll end up supporting ending the life of someone who was an unwanted pregnancy in the end.

That's kind of an interesting point.... I wonder what percentage of death row inmates (and exucuted prisoners) parents had actually planned to have children before getting pregnant. I bet it's fairly low.

 

[gopunk]

That's kind of an interesting point.... I wonder what percentage of death row inmates (and exucuted prisoners) parents had actually planned to have children before getting pregnant. I bet it's fairly low.

from a different direction, there was some study (i forget specifics) within the last 3 years that showed there was a correlation between abortions and lower crime rates.

 

[FeathersMcGraw]

Originally posted by: misle
If you get knocked up (or knock someone up), you need to take responsiblility for your actions and raise the child (or paying child support or giving the child up for adoption).

This sounds a lot less like advocacy of personal responsibility than forcing someone to raise a child that they're potentially incapable of supporting (either emotionally or fiscally) as a punitive measure. I'm not sure that adoption is the panacea that pro-life advocates seem to suggest it is, either.

But I'd have a lot less issue making abortion illegal if so many in the anti-abortion lobby weren't also doggedly determined to keep sex education and access to birth control out of the hands of the people who eventually wind up going to the abortion clinics.

 

[Nitemare]

My beliefs..
unborn babies have yet to do any wrong and thus deserve life

killers of other people have forfeited their rights to life since they took it from someone else

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: notfred
This thread isn't about abortion (or the death penalty) it's about hipocrasy and the value of human life.

Sorry but not all those who are anti-abortion dislike abortion because of the reasons listed. I am anti-abortion because it is an innocent life. A murderer is NOT an innocent life. Do you see the difference?

Not really. You'll end up supporting ending the life of someone who was an unwanted pregnancy in the end.

That's kind of an interesting point.... I wonder what percentage of death row inmates (and exucuted prisoners) parents had actually planned to have children before getting pregnant. I bet it's fairly low.

What I find really hypocritical is that those who are determined to force these unwanted pregnancies to go full term usually wash their hands of any responsibility for these children once they are born.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
My beliefs..
unborn babies have yet to do any wrong and thus deserve life

killers of other people have forfeited their rights to life since they took it from someone else

Your only beliefs is forcing your beliefs on others!

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: notfred
This thread isn't about abortion (or the death penalty) it's about hipocrasy and the value of human life.

Sorry but not all those who are anti-abortion dislike abortion because of the reasons listed. I am anti-abortion because it is an innocent life. A murderer is NOT an innocent life. Do you see the difference?

Not really. You'll end up supporting ending the life of someone who was an unwanted pregnancy in the end.

That's kind of an interesting point.... I wonder what percentage of death row inmates (and exucuted prisoners) parents had actually planned to have children before getting pregnant. I bet it's fairly low.

What I find really hypocritical is that those who are determined to force these unwanted pregnancies to go full term usually wash their hands of any responsibility for these children once they are born.

Who are these hypocritical people you speak of?

 

[notfred]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
My beliefs...
killers of other people have forfeited their rights to life since they took it from someone else

That does not necessarily justify the death penalty. Simply because someone does not have an explicit right to something does not mean that it should be taken from him. There is a concept called "mercy" which basically states that sometimes it's ok to give someone something, even though he's no longer deserving of it.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: MercenaryForHire

Originally posted by: Millennium
Sorry but not all those who are anti-abortion dislike abortion because of the reasons listed. I am anti-abortion because it is an innocent life. A murderer is NOT an innocent life. Do you see the difference?

So, the innocent deserve to live, and the guilty deserve to die? (neither of you offered your views on capital punishment)

Who are we, as a society, to judge innocence and guilt with a certainty that we can give or revoke life based on our judgement? Are we that infallible?

No we are not infallible. We have to make judgements and decisions and expect errors! We shouldn't have errors but we do. The system needs to be worked on but I would rather take my chances with a jury than a doctor that makes money off of killing me.

Which is better?

Your life decided by someone who doesn't WANT you or your life decided by a group of 12 people from all races and economic backgrounds and with oversight by a judge and lawyers. Also you have the possibility of appeal.

Do babies get that option? The dealth penalty vs. abortion is such a stupid argument because the two actions are very different from each other. Even the end result is different.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: notfred

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: notfred
This thread isn't about abortion (or the death penalty) it's about hipocrasy and the value of human life.

Sorry but not all those who are anti-abortion dislike abortion because of the reasons listed. I am anti-abortion because it is an innocent life. A murderer is NOT an innocent life. Do you see the difference?

Not really. You'll end up supporting ending the life of someone who was an unwanted pregnancy in the end.

That's kind of an interesting point.... I wonder what percentage of death row inmates (and exucuted prisoners) parents had actually planned to have children before getting pregnant. I bet it's fairly low.

What I find really hypocritical is that those who are determined to force these unwanted pregnancies to go full term usually wash their hands of any responsibility for these children once they are born.

Who are these hypocritical people you speak of?

Anyone who opposes Pro-Choice!