Why do the Republicans try to emulate the Dems?

[Anarchist420]

Gingrich had the CSA flag taken down in GA, he supported affirmative action, and so did Bob Dole. Both Bush Presidents were moderate, McCain almost joined the Democratic Party, and Mitt Romney was a moderate.

Basically, the Republicans haven't nominated a unique candidate since Barry Goldwater in 1964. All they do is try to emulate the Democrats and that hasn't resulted in resounding Republican victories.

I'm sick of having two parties who do nothing but pander to ethnic minorities.

 

[88keys]

Wow, you don't have a clue do you?

Romney is neither moderate nor extreme, he's an opportunist. McCain would have been a moderate before 2000, but calling for a 100 year war is hardly a moderate.
Bush II was an idiot who basically let his VP run the show for 8 years and nothing about his foreign policy would qualify as moderate.
Bush I would be the only one who may qualify has a moderate.

 

[Farang]

Wow, you don't have a clue do you?

Romney is neither moderate nor extreme, he's an opportunist. McCain would have been a moderate before 2000, but calling for a 100 year war is hardly a moderate.
Bush II was an idiot who basically let his VP run the show for 8 years and nothing about his foreign policy would qualify as moderate.
Bush I would be the only one who may qualify has a moderate.

Romney and McCain were both opportunists. They took the simplest path to the nomination (pander to the base) and clearly anything they said or did was to advance their own status.

Bush II was probably a smart guy, relatively, but it seems under the overwhelming weight of the office used appeals to authority as a crutch. Listening to generals, to Cheney, anyone who sounded absolutely confident in what they knew about this or that. His cabinet was full of people like this. Cheney, Rumsfeld, Rice. His leadership style of trusting in your subordinates absolutely, failed him because his subordinates were nutcases with huge egos.

Anyway the premise of this thread, that the Republicans have had no success since they nominated former President Goldwater (oh, wait..) is ridiculous. Republicans have dominated Presidential politics all the way up until Obama. People are just now starting to accept that Bush II was a fluke, he really could have/should have lost, and the Clinton era was not a fluke. Things have been trending far from Goldwater/Reagan since 1992

 

[88keys]

They dominated from about the time of Nixon to Clinton. Bush I was the last republican nominee to take more than 300 electoral votes in 1988. And Bush II had only marginal popularity after 2003.

 

[Farang]

They dominated from about the time of Nixon to Clinton. Bush I was the last republican nominee to take more than 300 electoral votes in 1988. And Bush II had only marginal popularity after 2003.

Yes. But I think people are only starting to grasp this now. Bush was an exceptional politician in 2000, and even then barely grabbed the office. I was shocked he retained it in '04, but that was a bare knuckled brawl and the country was a year behind (he would've been thrown out in '05). But day to day when a Republican is in office you just figure they are doing fine.

Chris Christie is also an exceptional politician. He isn't following previous molds of McCain and Romney, of blatantly pandering to the base (not that he doesn't do it). Outside of him most of the other Republican pols are following the same mold and will lose handily unless the Dems throw up a dud in '16.

 

[Anarchist420]

Chris Christie is also an exceptional politician. He isn't following previous molds of McCain and Romney, of blatantly pandering to the base (not that he doesn't do it). Outside of him most of the other Republican pols are following the same mold and will lose handily unless the Dems throw up a dud in '16.

Having an NJ gov as President scares me almost as much as a President Hillary does.

It's ridiculous the way america has gone. It started out as a confederation and now it's about to be like the USSR.

Obamacare needs to be repealed because it scares the shit out of me. The welfare and warfare/surveillance spending is scary too. Taxes are way too high already and most people want them to be raised even higher. That's scary.

 

[Anarchist420]

Wow, you don't have a clue do you?

Romney is neither moderate nor extreme, he's an opportunist. McCain would have been a moderate before 2000, but calling for a 100 year war is hardly a moderate.
Bush II was an idiot who basically let his VP run the show for 8 years and nothing about his foreign policy would qualify as moderate.
Bush I would be the only one who may qualify has a moderate.
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While it's true that Bush had an extreme foreign policy, he was still a centrist on social issues and fiscal authoritarian. Also, Obama's foreign policy is extreme too as was Clinton's since they're the same as Bush. Romney was an opportunist but he was also a moderate northeastern Republican.

 

[soundforbjt]

Having an NJ gov as President scares me almost as much as a President Hillary does.

It's ridiculous the way america has gone. It started out as a confederation and now it's about to be like the USSR.

Obamacare needs to be repealed because it scares the shit out of me. The welfare and warfare/surveillance spending is scary too. Taxes are way too high already and most people want them to be raised even higher. That's scary.

Taxes are at their lowest point in over 50-60 years, probably longer...:hmm:

 

[Lithium381]

Taxes are at their lowest point in over 50-60 years, probably longer...:hmm:

How is that a rebutal? Thats like cooking chicken at 7000 degrees and your wife says "that's too hot!" and your response is "well i had it at 8000 10 minutes ago". . . . .

 

[soundforbjt]

How is that a rebutal? Thats like cooking chicken at 7000 degrees and your wife says "that's too hot!" and your response is "well i had it at 8000 10 minutes ago". . . . .

When people complain about high taxes and the rates are lower than they've been at anytime in their lifetime, they probably think any tax is too high, no matter how low they are.

 

[Sonikku]

Any tax is too much tax. The corporations are having a hard enough time of it as it is right now. Facebook, GE and many others are being so crushed under the staggering rate of taxes that if the Dems take it any further, they will go bankrupt and jobs will be destroyed.