Why do the Israeli violations of Lebanese airspace continue unpunished?

[DarkThinker]

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Israel is breaking international law on an almost daily basis under the watch of UN observers and forces, it has been violating Lebanon's airspace since years, who holds Israel accountable for this?Israel are the provokers in here, who stops them now?
I am sure if Hizbollah were to shoot down one of their jets, Lebanon will pay for it with blood and dollar. And I can see that happening soon should Israel keep sending their jets outside their territory.

 

[bsobel]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker
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Israel is breaking international law on an almost daily basis under the watch of UN observers and forces, it has been violating Lebanon's airspace since years, who holds Israel accountable for this?Israel are the provokers in here, who stops them now?
I am sure if Hizbollah were to shoot down one of their jets, Lebanon will pay for it with blood and dollar. And I can see that happening soon should Israel keep sending their jets outside their territory.

Israel has a right to monitor Hizbollah. If the Lebaneese want to step up and police them themselves, I'm sure Israel's need to do overflights will diminish.

Btw, great one sided commenting on the issue!

 

[StageLeft]

First of all, the UN does nothing, so stop worrying about it, and second it goes unpunished because there is nobody there to punish them. Who do you think will punish them? Also, hezbollah's bunker rockets are a far cry from advanced SAMs, which is why they are taking down no jets and thirdly, Lebanon can hardly cry foul at invasion of its airspace and at the same time feign incompetence in dealing with hezbollah, right?

 

[EagleKeeper]

If Lebanon were to control their ground space there would be no need for the IAF to be over Lebanon.

The UN will not force the obligations under the cease fire w/ respect to Hezbollah, the country of Lebanon will not (or is unable to); therefore why should Israel not do what the two previous parties will not do.

If Israel backed away, Hezbollah would come roaring into that vacum and continue to be a PITA to Israel.

 

[jonks]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker
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Israel is breaking international law on an almost daily basis under the watch of UN observers and forces, it has been violating Lebanon's airspace since years, who holds Israel accountable for this?Israel are the provokers in here, who stops them now?
I am sure if Hizbollah were to shoot down one of their jets, Lebanon will pay for it with blood and dollar. And I can see that happening soon should Israel keep sending their jets outside their territory.

This post is what happens when you think in the dark.

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: sirjonk

Originally posted by: DarkThinker
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Israel is breaking international law on an almost daily basis under the watch of UN observers and forces, it has been violating Lebanon's airspace since years, who holds Israel accountable for this?Israel are the provokers in here, who stops them now?
I am sure if Hizbollah were to shoot down one of their jets, Lebanon will pay for it with blood and dollar. And I can see that happening soon should Israel keep sending their jets outside their territory.

This post is what happens when you think in the dark.

Nice try.

For the rest of the guys here, I don't really care what the justification is for the violation, it is s till a violation, Lebanon is a sovereign country and it has it's airspace which is not to be violated just like Israel's under international law.
The UN are there to stop any attacks and have successfully with the Lebanese Army created a buffer zone in the south, what more does Israel want? If they want to know what fckn Hizbollah is up to they can go ahead and hire a magician but they need to stop these violations.
Why is it when Israeli territory is violated all hell is raised and everyone is pro-Israel but not the other way around?

 

[Aimster]

Because Israel is the regional bully.
They are the most powerful.

If the Arabs cared maybe the Saudis to the right can donate some of their aircraft. They seem bored enough to purchase billions worth of EuroFighters.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

When Lebanon takes responsibility for terrorists within its borders then I would stand next to you calling for Israel to stop its violations. However until that time I support Israel's work to keep their people safe, Jews, Muslims, Christians, and the rest.

 

[Aimster]

Originally posted by: Shivetya
When Lebanon takes responsibility for terrorists within its borders then I would stand next to you calling for Israel to stop its violations. However until that time I support Israel's work to keep their people safe, Jews, Muslims, Christians, and the rest.

You also support the genocide of Muslims.

They are an evil group of people based on your threads. Thus, surely you wouldn't want them to live another day.

 

[DaveSimmons]

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

For the rest of the guys here, I don't really care what the justification is for the violation, it is s till a violation, Lebanon is a sovereign country and it has it's airspace which is not to be violated just like Israel's under international law.
The UN are there to stop any attacks and have successfully with the Lebanese Army created a buffer zone in the south, what more does Israel want? If they want to know what fckn Hizbollah is up to they can go ahead and hire a magician but they need to stop these violations.
Why is it when Israeli territory is violated all hell is raised and everyone is pro-Israel but not the other way around?

Because everyone else does care about the justification, and it's a strong one.

Lebanon can't maintain order inside its borders and the UN is largely powerless as well. They allowed Hezbollah to operate next door to UN compounds to use the UN as a shield in the last confrontation between Hezbollah and Israel.

Sovereignty only matters if you can maintain order well enought to keep large numbers of your citizens from attacking your neighbors.

 

[Sacrilege]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons

Originally posted by: DarkThinker

For the rest of the guys here, I don't really care what the justification is for the violation, it is s till a violation, Lebanon is a sovereign country and it has it's airspace which is not to be violated just like Israel's under international law.
The UN are there to stop any attacks and have successfully with the Lebanese Army created a buffer zone in the south, what more does Israel want? If they want to know what fckn Hizbollah is up to they can go ahead and hire a magician but they need to stop these violations.
Why is it when Israeli territory is violated all hell is raised and everyone is pro-Israel but not the other way around?

Because everyone else does care about the justification, and it's a strong one.

Lebanon can't maintain order inside its borders and the UN is largely powerless as well. They allowed Hezbollah to operate next door to UN compounds to use the UN as a shield in the last confrontation between Hezbollah and Israel.

Sovereignty only matters if you can maintain order well enought to keep large numbers of your citizens from attacking your neighbors.

:thumbsup: Great post. Shivetya as well. The Lebanese maintain a dysfunctional government which can't eradicate terrorist groups within their borders, and then they wonder why their neighbors (Israel and Syria) feel no hesitation to attack targets within Lebanon and play games with them like a puppet. Lebanon needs to grow a backbone, clean house, and secure its borders, so terrorists can't come in or out to launch attacks on Israel, then they can complain about the Israelis.

 

[theeedude]

Russia should sell Lebanon some Tor-Ms like they did Iran.

 

[Starbuck1975]

For the rest of the guys here, I don't really care what the justification is for the violation, it is s till a violation, Lebanon is a sovereign country and it has it's airspace which is not to be violated just like Israel's under international law.
The UN are there to stop any attacks and have successfully with the Lebanese Army created a buffer zone in the south, what more does Israel want? If they want to know what fckn Hizbollah is up to they can go ahead and hire a magician but they need to stop these violations.
Why is it when Israeli territory is violated all hell is raised and everyone is pro-Israel but not the other way around?

It is quite simple really.

So long as Hezbollah and Israel exist, conflict will continue to dominate regional politics in the Middle East.

The UN is incapable of keeping Hezbollah in check. Lebanon is incapable of keeping Hezbollah in check within its own borders. This leaves Israel with one of two options:

1. Allow Hezbollah to operate unchecked, and risk threats to its own sovereignty while Hezbollah hides under the protective umbrella of Lebanon's sovereignty.

2. Engage Hezbollah and keep them in check, even if it means violating Lebanon's sovereignty.

What would you do?

 

[Aimster]

If it makes you feel better

Egypt sends drones into Israel to spy on them.
Israel gets pissed.

Well rather "sent".

Ahh but don't worry... most nations in the M.E have started up a nuclear program. Of course you don't hear anyone complaining about them because they are U.S allies.
Soon the M.E will just be a bunch of glass. The Jews and the Muslims and the Christians will see their beloved holy sites turned to dust and then the world will realize no God or savior has come to rescue them.

 

[eits]

answer to thread title: because it's israel and they do whatever they want in the middle east unchecked.

edit: that's not to say that it's right for various scrappy terrorist militia groups to go around blowing themselves up in buses in tel aviv and whatnot...

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Skoorb
First of all, the UN does nothing, so stop worrying about it, and second it goes unpunished because there is nobody there to punish them. Who do you think will punish them? Also, hezbollah's bunker rockets are a far cry from advanced SAMs, which is why they are taking down no jets and thirdly, Lebanon can hardly cry foul at invasion of its airspace and at the same time feign incompetence in dealing with hezbollah, right?

:thumbsup:

That's what happens when the sole superpower is on your side.

 

[The Green Bean]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Because Israel is the regional bully.
They are the most powerful.

If the Arabs cared maybe the Saudis to the right can donate some of their aircraft. They seem bored enough to purchase billions worth of EuroFighters.

Whether they are preparing war against Israel or Iran is questionable. Perhaps they'll surprise the world by doing something good and getting rid of the Israeli threat. It's going to be interesting with so much power and so much hatred amongst the M.E countries and Iraq a sandbox with hundred different sanctions fighting for power. Perhaps it's time the put aside their differences and unite for both strategic and economic benefits and tell the US to get the **** out of their backyard.

 

[Jhhnn]

Because Lebanon has been fractured by decades of Israeli and US meddling- it's the Israeli model for the balkanization of the rest of the ME- weak government that poses no real threat, and whose various factions offer plausible excuses for... more meddling...

By the time the Mossad and the CIA are done with the Lebanese, they'll wish the Syrians were back- bet on it. Isreali overflights are the least of their concerns.

 

[db]

Israel does what they want and they won't get any flack from the US b/c of the immense power of the Israeli lobby in Washington DC.
Anybody who criticizes Israel is called an anti-Semite, and that usually shuts people up.

 

[ProfJohn]

Umm who is supposed to punish Israel and how are they going to punish them?

 

[db]

True. Problem is, everybody is afraid to criticize Israel when Israel does something wrong. They have leveraged the atrocity of the Holocaust into censoring virtually everyone who speaks out against Israeli wrong-doing.

 

[ProfJohn]

Originally posted by: db
True. Problem is, everybody is afraid to criticize Israel when Israel does something wrong. They have leveraged the atrocity of the Holocaust into censoring virtually everyone who speaks out against Israeli wrong-doing.

That is total crap.

Look at how many UN resolutions have been based against Israel.
Look at how Human Rights Watch beats Israel over the head with every questionable act they take but essentially closes their eyes at the crimes of Hezbollah and Hamas.

Israel takes a ton of criticism, but the problem (for people like the OP) is that most of it is meaningless since the UN has no real power over Israel.

 

[Aimster]

Israel is a bully. It does a lot of crap wrong.
Doesn't mean the Arabs are poor little victims. If they had the toys Israel had they would do the same thing

As far as I am concerned all Middle Eastern nations are stupid.

 

[Kadarin]

Originally posted by: Starbuck1975

For the rest of the guys here, I don't really care what the justification is for the violation, it is s till a violation, Lebanon is a sovereign country and it has it's airspace which is not to be violated just like Israel's under international law.
The UN are there to stop any attacks and have successfully with the Lebanese Army created a buffer zone in the south, what more does Israel want? If they want to know what fckn Hizbollah is up to they can go ahead and hire a magician but they need to stop these violations.
Why is it when Israeli territory is violated all hell is raised and everyone is pro-Israel but not the other way around?

It is quite simple really.

So long as Hezbollah and Israel exist, conflict will continue to dominate regional politics in the Middle East.

The UN is incapable of keeping Hezbollah in check. Lebanon is incapable of keeping Hezbollah in check within its own borders. This leaves Israel with one of two options:

1. Allow Hezbollah to operate unchecked, and risk threats to its own sovereignty while Hezbollah hides under the protective umbrella of Lebanon's sovereignty.

2. Engage Hezbollah and keep them in check, even if it means violating Lebanon's sovereignty.

What would you do?

What the OP would do is pretty clear from the slant of his commentary.

 

[DarkThinker]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: db
True. Problem is, everybody is afraid to criticize Israel when Israel does something wrong. They have leveraged the atrocity of the Holocaust into censoring virtually everyone who speaks out against Israeli wrong-doing.

That is total crap.

Look at how many UN resolutions have been based against Israel.
Look at how Human Rights Watch beats Israel over the head with every questionable act they take but essentially closes their eyes at the crimes of Hezbollah and Hamas.

Israel takes a ton of criticism, but the problem (for people like the OP) is that most of it is meaningless since the UN has no real power over Israel.

I guess what db was really talking about is the situation on the political scene, that's where it matters in reality, however any smart politician concerned about his / her career wouldn't want to upset the pro-Israel lobby or else!

Tell me that's not true Prof? Isn't the pro-Israeli lobby the most powerful lobby in Washington?