Why do some of the computers in my house reboot during a brownout while others don't?

psteng19

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I have 2 computers on the same surge protector.
During a brownout, the lights dim, one PC reboots, the other stays on.

The PC that stays on is a Shuttle XPC system on the stock power supply.
The PC that reboots runs on an Antec.

I have another Shuttle XPC in another part of the hosue that also stays on.
Is it because the Shuttle requires less power to run, or because they are better quality PSU's?
 

sjandrewbsme

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It could also be due to the different loads of the two systems.

One might also argue that a better quality PSU would turn off in a brownout and not continue to run. If the input voltage is too low, it really should turn off anyway as the lower voltage into the PSU could result in higher current draw and heat.
 

LOUISSSSS

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i'm wondering about the same, its snowing here in binghamton, NY and my PC has been shutting off randomly.
PSU: FSP FX600-GLN Epsilon series
UPS: Cyberpower 485VA

blame UPS, or PSU?
 

Rubycon

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Sags that exceed the power supply's hold time will cause a reboot.

A zero transfer time UPS solves this problem.
 

Aluvus

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Originally posted by: LOUISSSSS
whats SAGs?

A sag below the minimum voltage needed to keep the supply operating normally, which might be 90 V or something like that. A brownout.

and whats a 0 transfer time?

Some UPSes keep their inverter running all the time, and therefore don't experience a delay (transfer time) in turning it on when the input voltage drops.

The difference the OP is seeing, assuming these systems are plugged into the wall and not into a UPS, is due to both differences in loading and the designs of the power supplies. Some designs have a longer rated hold-up time (the time they could continue operating in spec with no input power), and real-world hold-up time will decrease under heavier loads.
 

bob4432

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ups FTW!!! seriously, these help out a lot - my router has not been rebooted in 361 days but we have had many storms and other electrical issues causing other appliances in the condo to go out.
 

Rubycon

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Brownouts are usually sustained sags that can last hours during times of peak demand (extreme cold or heat events). The lower voltages will make motors run hotter and can cause electronics to malfunction or freeze.

Momentary sags are caused by faults on neighboring grids where line protective devices interrupt the flow of power briefly (which causes a momentary total outage on the affected line obviously) and when reclosure occurs, devices which employ refrigeration will draw locked rotor amps and momentarily increase demand by as much as 500% or more. This may cause the normal 120V reading at the socket to dip to under 100V or in severe cases < 85V very briefly. Incandescent lights will noticeably flicker and PC's may reboot. If a UPS is attached it will transfer to battery power. Most UPS' have a relay that engages and this is audible as a click. A buzzing may also be heard from the inverter while it's running on batteries.

Laser printers on long runs of 14AWG - typical 15 ampere circuits - can cause a similar condition due to the high inrush current of the toner fuser heater elements which are rapidly switched on and off to maintain temperature.

A zero transfer UPS provides outstanding isolation by use of a ferroresonant transformer, motor-generator, or online inverter. These are not found in home / small office units! Most small UPS' feature a 3-5mS transfer time which is quite fast and well within the hold time of all PC power supplies. Medical and time domain sensitive equipment often require zero break - zero transfer power, however and that's what this equipment offers. If a PC reboots when the UPS goes on battery the UPS should be checked by a technician familiar with its operation. If it's operating normally, the PC power supply has a problem and should be investigated promptly.