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Why do soccer players fake getting hurt all the time?

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Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
The same reason why people in other sports try to get the refs/umps to call fouls in their favor.
This

And because they are sissies, like the American Football players who need huge layers of protective material before daring to play Rugby.
 
Having played soccer (not professionally but competitively), fuck fakers. Seriously. I understand why they do it, but it's also stupid. It's a game against the refs, the better the ref the harder to fake and the more you are just wasting time playing 10 on 11 while one of your players rolls around on the ground like a douchebag.

However, having played both soccer and basketball, there were just as many prima donna fakers in Basketball, so anyone who thinks this is a soccer thing can go choke on it.

Soccer also has it's fair share of real injuries. I realize that long time soccer players probably don't walk away with the kind of severe concussions that fuck football players up for the rest of their lives, however it isn't exactly a rose garden either.
 
They do it to get a free kick, a penalty kick or to draw red cards.

Italian Leagues are known to do it more than others.

When I play in various adult leagues, Americans rarely feign an injury while the Latino crowd does it often.
 
is there no penalty for diving? Or are the refs really that slow to not be able to determine it... I mean the ball is only at one place at a given time...

I just don't understand how it happens all the time if there's an actual penalty for diving.
 
Originally posted by: rh71
is there no penalty for diving? Or are the refs really that slow to not be able to determine it... I mean the ball is only at one place at a given time...

I just don't understand how it happens all the time if there's an actual penalty for diving.

yes they get carded or somply dont get calls, hell watch the youtube that was posted and read my comment i just posted
 
Originally posted by: sleepmachine
they fake injuries because it works. the refs are idiots. they need to have some sort of replay system for fakers/divers, especially on penalties. also, review the game tapes afterwards and if they're deemed to have faked injury for an advantage, suspend them.

I think soccer has been trying to fight this. I also believe refs can give a yellow card for taking a dive.

<---off to youtube to find that awesome soccer dive video.
 
Originally posted by: NSFW
Are they trained to do this?

Yes - especially the young Europeans. I hate it it's killing the game.

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Who cares? No man watches soccer.

Except for almost all men on the face of this earth who own a TV or live near a ground.

Originally posted by: spidey07
I also believe refs can give a yellow card for taking a dive.

Yes they can, and do, but it's hard to tell since some of them are so good at it, and TV replay technology is not allowed at the highest level. It should be a red card IMO since it is cheating and just as bad as a hand ball or a foul tackle.
 
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: NSFW
Are they trained to do this?

Yes - especially the young Europeans. I hate it it's killing the game.

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Who cares? No man watches soccer.

Except for almost all Non American men on the face of this earth who own a TV or live near a ground.

added quantifier to your statement.


as to diving, I think video should be added in, and if a player is caught diving, I don't think they should get carded. Instead, they have to put on a 20kg vest. That would slow them down and really hurt their game.
 
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: NSFW
Are they trained to do this?

Yes - especially the young Europeans. I hate it it's killing the game.

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Who cares? No man watches soccer.

Except for almost all Non American men on the face of this earth who own a TV or live near a ground.

added quantifier to your statement.

eh other then baseball, European Soccer is the only other professional sport i watch on TV

im American
 
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: NSFW
Are they trained to do this?

Yes - especially the young Europeans. I hate it it's killing the game.

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Who cares? No man watches soccer.

Except for almost all Non American men on the face of this earth who own a TV or live near a ground.

added quantifier to your statement.

Yea but that's still almost all men on earth. There are only like 100,000,000 adult male Americans.
 
Ya, that is one of the most annoying things about soccer (besides the fact that games can end in a nil-nil tie.....). These guys barely get touched and they roll around on the ground like Tony just took a knee to their legs. I do understand why they do it. Also, can't soccer employe more than one ref per game? It seems pretty tough to have 1 guy do it. Maybe that would help.
 
Originally posted by: Anubis
Originally posted by: sdifox
Originally posted by: Atheus
Originally posted by: NSFW
Are they trained to do this?

Yes - especially the young Europeans. I hate it it's killing the game.

Originally posted by: oldsmoboat
Who cares? No man watches soccer.

Except for almost all Non American men on the face of this earth who own a TV or live near a ground.

added quantifier to your statement.

eh other then baseball, European Soccer is the only other professional sport i watch on TV

im American

You are not American 😀 I know there are American fans of soccer but I am just editing his post a bit as opposed to rewriting it. It is of course an exaggeration.

I am happy to see Soccer making inroads in USA.
 
Originally posted by: TheNinja
Ya, that is one of the most annoying things about soccer (besides the fact that games can end in a nil-nil tie.....). These guys barely get touched and they roll around on the ground like Tony just took a knee to their legs. I do understand why they do it. Also, can't soccer employe more than one ref per game? It seems pretty tough to have 1 guy do it. Maybe that would help.

there are technicially 4
 
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
The same reason why people in other sports try to get the refs/umps to call fouls in their favor.
This

That, but it is not the only part.

Soccer is a game where, unlike all other sports, there basically are no breaks, except when you can force them or an accident happens. You are constantly running.
Part of it MIGHT be the players, or even the coaches, want to try and force injury timeouts or potential yellow cards, because it gives the team, though consequently everyone on the field, a well-deserved break. Playing 45 minutes straight, getting a short break, then another 45 minutes, plus extra time due to injury time during regular play, of pure running, back and forth back and forth - it takes a lot out of you. Especially when it's constantly changing speed and a lot of agility, saps you of energy.

However, it's mostly just like any other sport with professional athletes. You try and draw fouls (yellow cards) whenever you can, because that's how it is. Someone pissed you off earlier, they said something snide on the field, maybe long-time rivalry, and in general a lot of pro athletes can very much be assholes in the heat of competition, even if they are all buddy buddy off the field. It's competition - some go as far as possible to compete, even if that means trying to get someone ejected over the course of the game.

that is the main reason why the networks dont cover soccer. no time to sell commercials unlike football where every fricken 2 minutes its a commercial break.

i love watching soccer on sat mornings on the fox soccer channel. non stop action.

 
Originally posted by: Citrix
Originally posted by: destrekor
Originally posted by: frostedflakes
Originally posted by: Brainonska511
The same reason why people in other sports try to get the refs/umps to call fouls in their favor.
This

That, but it is not the only part.

Soccer is a game where, unlike all other sports, there basically are no breaks, except when you can force them or an accident happens. You are constantly running.
Part of it MIGHT be the players, or even the coaches, want to try and force injury timeouts or potential yellow cards, because it gives the team, though consequently everyone on the field, a well-deserved break. Playing 45 minutes straight, getting a short break, then another 45 minutes, plus extra time due to injury time during regular play, of pure running, back and forth back and forth - it takes a lot out of you. Especially when it's constantly changing speed and a lot of agility, saps you of energy.

However, it's mostly just like any other sport with professional athletes. You try and draw fouls (yellow cards) whenever you can, because that's how it is. Someone pissed you off earlier, they said something snide on the field, maybe long-time rivalry, and in general a lot of pro athletes can very much be assholes in the heat of competition, even if they are all buddy buddy off the field. It's competition - some go as far as possible to compete, even if that means trying to get someone ejected over the course of the game.

that is the main reason why the networks dont cover soccer. no time to sell commercials unlike football where every fricken 2 minutes its a commercial break.

i love watching soccer on sat mornings on the fox soccer channel. non stop action.

yep :thumbsup: to the FA for this also
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/n...ory?id=621389&&cc=5901
 
They fake the injuries to try and draw penalties. The exact same thing happens in basketball, with players flailing their arms like someone hit the with a baseball bat for every touch foul. Hockey players dive too. Baseball players don't because there's no advantage, though I have seen a guy fake getting hit by a pitch before.

Also, I'm sure at some point there's been holding fouls called in the NFL, or facemasks, that didn't actually happen but were orchestrated by the player.

As to the guy who said the NBA now calls fouls for flops, I have never seen one actually called in a game (though have seen tons of flops this year). Soccer also has a penalty against diving, but it's also never called. Hockey calls it on occasion.

Soccer would be cleaned up if the league would review plays after the fact and give a suspension for obvious diving.
 
Originally posted by: rh71
is there no penalty for diving? Or are the refs really that slow to not be able to determine it... I mean the ball is only at one place at a given time...

I just don't understand how it happens all the time if there's an actual penalty for diving.

Here is a dual part answer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soccer#Laws
The referee may punish a player or substitute's misconduct by a caution (yellow card) or sending-off (red card). A second yellow card at the same game leads to a red card, and therefore to a sending-off. If a player has been sent-off, no substitute can be brought on in their place. Misconduct may occur at any time, and while the offences that constitute misconduct are listed, the definitions are broad. In particular, the offence of "unsporting behaviour" may be used to deal with most events that violate the spirit of the game, even if they are not listed as specific offences. A referee can show a yellow or red card to a player, substitute or substituted player. Non-players such as managers and support staff cannot be shown the yellow or red card, but may be expelled from the technical area if they fail to conduct themselves in a responsible manner.[5]

Rather than stopping play, the referee may allow play to continue if doing so will benefit the team against which an offence has been committed. This is known as "playing an advantage". The referee may "call back" play and penalise the original offence if the anticipated advantage does not ensue within a short period, typically taken to be four to five seconds. Even if an offence is not penalised due to advantage being played, the offender may still be sanctioned for misconduct at the next stoppage of play.

The 2nd aspect is why play will most likely never be stopped for a faking diver (as long as the ref doesn't fall for it). Basically, if my team has the ball and you dive to fake an injury, it's always going to be in my benefit for the ref to call "play on" because you just effectively made it 11 v 10 for leaping to the ground like a retard.

Now, while yellow cards could be given for divers, it would be a tough call to make, as a ref I'd probably give a yellow card to a player that had dived continuously during a match. The reason is that 2 yellows = a red = sit out this game and cannot be replaced. So because of this, if I give your player a yellow, they may end up voluntarily sitting out the rest of the game so that they don't risk a red. That means yellow cards are usually reserved for the kind of behavior that could seriously injure another player or impact the game. (I actually thought players who were red carded had to sit out the next game as well, but my memory must be really bad because I can't find that listed anywhere)

I used to ref when I was younger / playing. However most of that stuff isn't even in my memory anymore. I absolutely hated calling off-sides calls - I don't know how other sports compare but being a soccer ref was pretty rough and a lot of them are expected to be in roughly 75% of the shape of the players on the field, especially your center refs.
 
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