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No it is not.

However spending 1000 dollars to get a 5%-10% increase in performance definately is.

edit:

For a PC (home computer, gaming machine). Now for a machine that makes you money or does heavy proccessing for long periods of time, 1000 dollars may or may not be a wise investment for 5-10% increase. But not for a increase of 60 to 63 FPS in UT2003
 
Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
BS ~ if you were actually rich, youd OC the ferrari too 😛
a Z28 being faster then a ferrari is more impressive then just a "bought" ferrari.

😉

some ppl just frown on "buying" your performance.

i feel the same way, man.
i'd rather have a sleeper too 🙂 (well, a ferrari or Z28 isn't, but you know what i mean)
 

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-amd 64fx51
-ati radeon 9800xt 256mb
-ASUS SK8N NVIDIA nFORCE3
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-Corsair XMS 3200LL 400MHZ 2X512MB
-Lite-On DVD 16x
-Lite-On 52x CD-RW
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You spent way too much money you idiot.


FREDTAM: you are a fuking asshole. burn in hell pal.
 
Getting a new state of the art computer it's fine, I have no problem with it.

It's your money go for it.


But spending 1000-2000 dollars on upgrading a state-of-the-art computer to a slightly more-state-of-the-art, is stupid.
 
Originally posted by: Viper96720
lol looks like someone has there thread taken over. 😉

I tried 🙂
but they just wont stop fighting 🙁


common ppl its X-mas !



D
 
Originally posted by: Pudgygiant
Lemme put it this way. I can build a hennessey 1000TT Viper venom (around 1150 bhp) for around $200,000 which could (theoretically) be an 8-second car. Don't believe that? www.hennesseyperformance.com check out the terry ruot info.

A ferrari (even a brand-new Enzo) will never be that fast, even though it costs twice as much. Likewise, a 2.4C p4 will hit higher speeds than a 3.0C (if done right). If I can spend $165 on a processor and get higher speeds than I can on a $275 processor, then I feel that the people who buy the 3.0c and brag because they OC'd it are idiots. Now, of course not ALL people are buying the 3.0c to brag, some just want stability at fast stock speeds. But the people that come on and are like "P4 3.0c @ 3.1 with liquid cooling" piss me off.

[/rant]

and now lemme put it this other way
you dont get it, its not about speed

and about that viper:

1. you will never top that car
2. with so many horses you wont have any traction
3. if you use slicks you will most probably hit the first tree you see
4. viper will never have the handling and class of a ferrari


D
 
Originally posted by: CraigRT
Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
BS ~ if you were actually rich, youd OC the ferrari too 😛
a Z28 being faster then a ferrari is more impressive then just a "bought" ferrari.

😉

some ppl just frown on "buying" your performance.

i feel the same way, man.
i'd rather have a sleeper too 🙂 (well, a ferrari or Z28 isn't, but you know what i mean)

even if you had mils in the bank ?


D
 
Originally posted by: oalvarezjr
fredtam
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You spent way too much money you idiot.


FREDTAM: you are a fuking asshole. burn in hell pal.

Did you SEE the WINK??? It was a joke! Cool yer jets there, pal. 🙂
 
ok, i went back and noticed the wink. i retract the previous statement.

Fredtam is actually quite comedic in nature.

regards
 
Originally posted by: Amused
OK, here is PAT:

Advanced > Advanced Chipset Settings: Set "Performance Acceleration Mode" to "Enabled." That's PAT

Sorry, my brain is fried and I had your question reversed in my head.

the one right under the ram timings ? yeah I had that one on as well



D
 
Originally posted by: ZL1
Originally posted by: Amused
OK, here is PAT:

Advanced > Advanced Chipset Settings: Set "Performance Acceleration Mode" to "Enabled." That's PAT

Sorry, my brain is fried and I had your question reversed in my head.

the one right under the ram timings ? yeah I had that one on as well



D

Yeah, that one. It looks like you may have everything optimized. Have you turned off Legacy USB support? It's been shown to cause memory errors.
 
Originally posted by: CraigRT
Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
BS ~ if you were actually rich, youd OC the ferrari too 😛
a Z28 being faster then a ferrari is more impressive then just a "bought" ferrari.

😉

some ppl just frown on "buying" your performance.

i feel the same way, man.
i'd rather have a sleeper too 🙂 (well, a ferrari or Z28 isn't, but you know what i mean)
I swear, you guys REALLY need to lay off the crack pipe. Comparing a modded Z28 to a Ferrari? WTH is wrong with you? I'm sure you'll look really nice pulling up to a restaurant that has Mercedes and Bentleys being valet parked with your SWEET modded Z28.
rolleye.gif
Ferrari is about speed, AWESOME Italian engineering and style, but most importantly, prestige. Some geeks here have no idea what that is apparently. Once you get a few million, test drive a Ferrari and let me know if you want to go back to your modded Z28. 😉
 
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: ZL1
Originally posted by: Amused
OK, here is PAT:

Advanced > Advanced Chipset Settings: Set "Performance Acceleration Mode" to "Enabled." That's PAT

Sorry, my brain is fried and I had your question reversed in my head.

the one right under the ram timings ? yeah I had that one on as well



D

Yeah, that one. It looks like you may have everything optimized. Have you turned off Legacy USB support? It's been shown to cause memory errors.



really ? but dont I need that ?


D
 
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: CraigRT
Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
BS ~ if you were actually rich, youd OC the ferrari too 😛
a Z28 being faster then a ferrari is more impressive then just a "bought" ferrari.

😉

some ppl just frown on "buying" your performance.

i feel the same way, man.
i'd rather have a sleeper too 🙂 (well, a ferrari or Z28 isn't, but you know what i mean)
I swear, you guys REALLY need to lay off the crack pipe. Comparing a modded Z28 to a Ferrari? WTH is wrong with you? I'm sure you'll look really nice pulling up to a restaurant that has Mercedes and Bentleys being valet parked with your SWEET modded Z28.
rolleye.gif
Ferrari is about speed, AWESOME Italian engineering and style, but most importantly, prestige. Some geeks here have no idea what that is apparently. Once you get a few million, test drive a Ferrari and let me know if you want to go back to your modded Z28. 😉

You give a good race car engineer a few hundred grand and a z28 it will be the ferrari that ends up looking cheap.

Look what guys like Lingenfelter can do with a good American car like a C-5 Corvette. 400+ cubic inches, twin turbos, 700+ horsepower. It's reliable and a complete pussycat to drive around town. Makes a Ferrari look like a yugo.

Some simplistic stats on 725 horsepower Corvette:
0-60 MPH 3.2 seconds with street tires
1/4 mile 9.50 @ 145 MPH with street tires
Estimated top speed 230+

There are some damn brillant people out there and not all of them work for Ferrari. Take any car and throw enough $$$ at it and you can have a supercar.
 
Originally posted by: drag
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: CraigRT
Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
BS ~ if you were actually rich, youd OC the ferrari too 😛
a Z28 being faster then a ferrari is more impressive then just a "bought" ferrari.

😉

some ppl just frown on "buying" your performance.

i feel the same way, man.
i'd rather have a sleeper too 🙂 (well, a ferrari or Z28 isn't, but you know what i mean)
I swear, you guys REALLY need to lay off the crack pipe. Comparing a modded Z28 to a Ferrari? WTH is wrong with you? I'm sure you'll look really nice pulling up to a restaurant that has Mercedes and Bentleys being valet parked with your SWEET modded Z28.
rolleye.gif
Ferrari is about speed, AWESOME Italian engineering and style, but most importantly, prestige. Some geeks here have no idea what that is apparently. Once you get a few million, test drive a Ferrari and let me know if you want to go back to your modded Z28. 😉

You give a good race car engineer a few hundred grand and a z28 it will be the ferrari that ends up looking cheap.

Look what guys like Lingenfelter can do with a good American car like a C-5 Corvette. 400+ cubic inches, twin turbos, 700+ horsepower. It's reliable and a complete pussycat to drive around town. Makes a Ferrari look like a yugo.

Some simplistic stats on 725 horsepower Corvette:
0-60 MPH 3.2 seconds with street tires
1/4 mile 9.50 @ 145 MPH with street tires
Estimated top speed 230+

There are some damn brillant people out there and not all of them work for Ferrari. Take any car and throw enough $$$ at it and you can have a supercar.

And in the end you've spent so much money, and so much time, you might as well have bought the Ferrari.

And I don't care how slick you are, no one is ever going to think your Z28 is better or cooler than a Ferrari.

Hell, I could stick a jet engine in a porta-potty and beat all these cars. It's doesn't change the fact that I'm riding a sh!tter.
 
Very silly argument. Sometimes you end up with dead end technology that's not worth upgrading. For example, my old PC was a PIII-850 that I'd built upgrading a component at a time. So for the next 3 months I'll be somewhat state of the art. Well, technically I'm outdated since my RAID is the older version of the Raptor and my 9700Pro falls short of a number of newer cards, but I do plan on a life cycle for my components. It's a hobby, so when I update I try for a good upgrade. And when I update the MoBo/CPU/Memory I sold most of my older parts to a friend as a single system. It was a big jump, and a lot of things needed to be upgraded. You can't assume that everyone who bought a 9800XT upgraded from a 9800Pro.
 
Originally posted by: drag
Originally posted by: JackBurton
Originally posted by: CraigRT
Originally posted by: THUGSROOK
BS ~ if you were actually rich, youd OC the ferrari too 😛
a Z28 being faster then a ferrari is more impressive then just a "bought" ferrari.

😉

some ppl just frown on "buying" your performance.

i feel the same way, man.
i'd rather have a sleeper too 🙂 (well, a ferrari or Z28 isn't, but you know what i mean)
I swear, you guys REALLY need to lay off the crack pipe. Comparing a modded Z28 to a Ferrari? WTH is wrong with you? I'm sure you'll look really nice pulling up to a restaurant that has Mercedes and Bentleys being valet parked with your SWEET modded Z28.
rolleye.gif
Ferrari is about speed, AWESOME Italian engineering and style, but most importantly, prestige. Some geeks here have no idea what that is apparently. Once you get a few million, test drive a Ferrari and let me know if you want to go back to your modded Z28. 😉

You give a good race car engineer a few hundred grand and a z28 it will be the ferrari that ends up looking cheap.

Look what guys like Lingenfelter can do with a good American car like a C-5 Corvette. 400+ cubic inches, twin turbos, 700+ horsepower. It's reliable and a complete pussycat to drive around town. Makes a Ferrari look like a yugo.

.

does not apply, the discussion was about different price range cars !

the LPE supercar is also extreemly expensive !


D

P.S. please retract that "yugo" statement because Im having serious problems with that

 
And in the end you've spent so much money, and so much time, you might as well have bought the Ferrari.

And I don't care how slick you are, no one is ever going to think your Z28 is better or cooler than a Ferrari.

Hell, I could stick a jet engine in a porta-potty and beat all these cars. It's doesn't change the fact that I'm riding a sh!tter.

Or maybe could it be that a Ferrari is just a overpriced, overhyped, rich-boy toy designed for people who realy use it about as much as soccer mom's take their excursion off roading.

Face it, their are plenty of places to get cares that are faster, better handling, and more confortable then a stock ferrari. They aren't the top of the line machines that they would like you to beleive.

Just check out the disasters that they created 80's. Cars that got out-performed by stock chevy sedans with the up-scale motors and about 400 dollars worth of hop-up parts. Sure they were bought over and over again by people who thought they were getting top of the line race cars for the street instead of the crampt, loud, slow, overweight things they were realy getting.

Anyways look at the prices. 47,000 dollars for a Z06 corvette. You get about 400 HP/ 400 ft/lbs of torque. Now the Ferrari 360 Modena Spyder F1. 176,000+ dollars 400 HP / 285 foot pounds of torque. Probably weighs more, too.

Now drop another 50,000 in it for the suspension/aerodinamic/brakes/engines upgrades from Lingenfelter, I get a car that will rip the living daylights out of the Ferrari on the street and on the race track and guess what? It's still less then 2/3 the price.

Sure if I was filthy rich I'd go down and buy Ferrari today, but not before putting in my order for the upgraded corvette to replace it.

What's worse, A guy driving a shitbox with a rocket and thinking it's a race car, or a guy who has a shitbox with a 200,000 dollar price tag who thinks its a race car?
 
Originally posted by: ZL1
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P.S. please retract that "yugo" statement because Im having serious problems with that

Sorry, your right no car ever deserves the label "yugo" exept yugos.

Ferrari's are still damn nice cars. Great cars to get you laid in a heart beat.
 
Originally posted by: drag
And in the end you've spent so much money, and so much time, you might as well have bought the Ferrari.

And I don't care how slick you are, no one is ever going to think your Z28 is better or cooler than a Ferrari.

Hell, I could stick a jet engine in a porta-potty and beat all these cars. It's doesn't change the fact that I'm riding a sh!tter.

Or maybe could it be that a Ferrari is just a overpriced, overhyped, rich-boy toy designed for people who realy use it about as much as soccer mom's take their excursion off roading.

Face it, their are plenty of places to get cares that are faster, better handling, and more confortable then a stock ferrari. They aren't the top of the line machines that they would like you to beleive.

Just check out the disasters that they created 80's. Cars that got out-performed by stock chevy sedans with the up-scale motors and about 400 dollars worth of hop-up parts. Sure they were bought over and over again by people who thought they were getting top of the line race cars for the street instead of the crampt, loud, slow, overweight things they were realy getting.

Anyways look at the prices. 47,000 dollars for a Z06 corvette. You get about 400 HP/ 400 ft/lbs of torque. Now the Ferrari 360 Modena Spyder F1. 176,000+ dollars 400 HP / 285 foot pounds of torque. Probably weighs more, too.

Now drop another 50,000 in it for the suspension/aerodinamic/brakes/engines upgrades from Lingenfelter, I get a car that will rip the living daylights out of the Ferrari on the street and on the race track and guess what? It's still less then 2/3 the price.

Sure if I was filthy rich I'd go down and buy Ferrari today, but not before putting in my order for the upgraded corvette to replace it.

What's worse, A guy driving a shitbox with a rocket and thinking it's a race car, or a guy who has a shitbox with a 200,000 dollar price tag who thinks its a race car?

You must be young, because you base your whole decision on HP numbers.

Look, I've driven a new Maserati (90% Ferrari) and a newer Vette. I can tell you without a doubt that the Maserati was a much nicer car to drive and it handled the canyons of LA much nicer. The Vette was all about brute force and had none of the finesse the Maserati had in gobs. Nor did it have nearly the build quality.

Maybe if you ever get to drive the cars you dream about, you'll understand instead of just reading raw numbers and thinking they make or break a car.
 
Originally posted by: drag
And in the end you've spent so much money, and so much time, you might as well have bought the Ferrari.

And I don't care how slick you are, no one is ever going to think your Z28 is better or cooler than a Ferrari.

Hell, I could stick a jet engine in a porta-potty and beat all these cars. It's doesn't change the fact that I'm riding a sh!tter.

Or maybe could it be that a Ferrari is just a overpriced, overhyped, rich-boy toy designed for people who realy use it about as much as soccer mom's take their excursion off roading.

Face it, their are plenty of places to get cares that are faster, better handling, and more confortable then a stock ferrari. They aren't the top of the line machines that they would like you to beleive.

Just check out the disasters that they created 80's. Cars that got out-performed by stock chevy sedans with the up-scale motors and about 400 dollars worth of hop-up parts. Sure they were bought over and over again by people who thought they were getting top of the line race cars for the street instead of the crampt, loud, slow, overweight things they were realy getting.

Anyways look at the prices. 47,000 dollars for a Z06 corvette. You get about 400 HP/ 400 ft/lbs of torque. Now the Ferrari 360 Modena Spyder F1. 176,000+ dollars 400 HP / 285 foot pounds of torque. Probably weighs more, too.

Now drop another 50,000 in it for the suspension/aerodinamic/brakes/engines upgrades from Lingenfelter, I get a car that will rip the living daylights out of the Ferrari on the street and on the race track and guess what? It's still less then 2/3 the price.

Sure if I was filthy rich I'd go down and buy Ferrari today, but not before putting in my order for the upgraded corvette to replace it.

What's worse, A guy driving a shitbox with a rocket and thinking it's a race car, or a guy who has a shitbox with a 200,000 dollar price tag who thinks its a race car?

Dude, you just don't get it.
 
Originally posted by: drag
And in the end you've spent so much money, and so much time, you might as well have bought the Ferrari.

And I don't care how slick you are, no one is ever going to think your Z28 is better or cooler than a Ferrari.

Hell, I could stick a jet engine in a porta-potty and beat all these cars. It's doesn't change the fact that I'm riding a sh!tter.

Or maybe could it be that a Ferrari is just a overpriced, overhyped, rich-boy toy designed for people who realy use it about as much as soccer mom's take their excursion off roading.

Face it, their are plenty of places to get cares that are faster, better handling, and more confortable then a stock ferrari. They aren't the top of the line machines that they would like you to beleive.

Just check out the disasters that they created 80's. Cars that got out-performed by stock chevy sedans with the up-scale motors and about 400 dollars worth of hop-up parts. Sure they were bought over and over again by people who thought they were getting top of the line race cars for the street instead of the crampt, loud, slow, overweight things they were realy getting.

Anyways look at the prices. 47,000 dollars for a Z06 corvette. You get about 400 HP/ 400 ft/lbs of torque. Now the Ferrari 360 Modena Spyder F1. 176,000+ dollars 400 HP / 285 foot pounds of torque. Probably weighs more, too.

Now drop another 50,000 in it for the suspension/aerodinamic/brakes/engines upgrades from Lingenfelter, I get a car that will rip the living daylights out of the Ferrari on the street and on the race track and guess what? It's still less then 2/3 the price.

Sure if I was filthy rich I'd go down and buy Ferrari today, but not before putting in my order for the upgraded corvette to replace it.

What's worse, A guy driving a shitbox with a rocket and thinking it's a race car, or a guy who has a shitbox with a 200,000 dollar price tag who thinks its a race car?


look Im not denying that there are many other very nice cars out there, after all Im driving a Z28 and Im into muscle cars, but a Ferrari is a Ferrari


D
 
Don't get me wrong.

I understand the physics of cars. I understand the relasionships between weight, power, inertia.

I know all about what makes a great car. I know about suspension geometries, spring rates and all that happiness.

Ferrari's are wonderfully crafted automobiles and a corvette compared to them is a brute.

But you also have to understand that a car is a car is a car. You can take any car, rip it apart and put it back together and completely transform the character of it. Change the weight ratios, replace the motor, move everything around. Replace the suspension adjust the geometries etc etc. I am not talking about gutting the interior of a honda, sticking a big fartnocker exhaust, and a NOS 125HP kit and thinking I am the next Mario Andretti in the shopping mall parking lot.

The LPE corvette though is something to behold. Lingefelter is a genius, the C-5 is nothing to sneeze at, but once you upgrade the suspension brakes and other componates to match the power output of a twin turbo 427 cubic in chevy small block you realy have a car that's definately in Ferrari teritory.

Now a Viper? You put 800 HP into that and it's still a POS. 😛

Of course if I could get my hands on a 600,000 dollar Enzo, I drop the corvette like a bad habit. Then again if I had a couple billion dollars sitting around I'd get all the cars I'd ever want, and they probably all be McLaren F1's.


(sorry for getting a bit out of hand there, but I don't like the term shitboxes, beause I've driven plenty of them.)
 
Look, I've driven a new Maserati (90% Ferrari) and a newer Vette. I can tell you without a doubt that the Maserati was a much nicer car to drive and it handled the canyons of LA much nicer. The Vette was all about brute force and had none of the finesse the Maserati had in gobs. Nor did it have nearly the build quality.

Just like me trying to explain to my nephew that a "riced-up" car with fat tires and lowered suspension is not as good as my RX-8. I have owned Corvettes, and test driven the recent ones, and the new Mustangs. They are about power, the ricer cars are just toys (for the most part, I am sure enough money could fix that), but the RX-8 is about handling and finesse. Until you have driven them all, you will never know or appreciate the difference. IMO, the RX-8 is the poor mans Maserati/Ferrari, although not in their class.

But on-topic, I think the "bashing" makes someone feel good for the moment. Some bashing here is called for(there are some real jerks once in a while), but yes, much is undeserved. And it goes both ways. I have seen some with big systems not being very understanding of people that have a system "that is the best they can afford".
 
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