Why do so many Americans favor Israel over America?

[Anarchist420]

I talked to my Constitutional Law professor, and he said that there is a 50% chance that the U.S. will go to war against Iran.

How could anyone hate their own country so much? Why do these Neo-Republicans like Sarah Palin and Pat Robertson hate and want to destroy the U.S. by putting our young men and women at risk, tax the hell out of the citizenry, destroy our dollar, and risk our security, just so the Israelis can have a home of their own without anyone questioning it?

For the record, Iran has a smaller military budget than Greece and a few other countries combined. For another, people want to misinterpret Ahmedinajad's statesments.

All I can say is that I'm going to join a anti-militarist militia if our government keeps putting other nations before us.

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[Zebo]

I don't, America First - but Israel as a beleaguered and victimized nation, heroically fighting, against all odds, against a bunch of religious nazis intent on world domination, to preserve the beacon of democracy in a sea of dictatorships and outlaw regimes. No brainer whom to support IMO.

Nice troll post btw.

 

[Anarchist420]

We shouldn't support either.

 

[cubeless]

I talked to my Constitutional Law professor, and he said that there is a 50% chance that the U.S. will go to war against Iran.

How could anyone hate their own country so much? Why do these Neo-Republicans like Sarah Palin and Pat Robertson hate and want to destroy the U.S. by putting our young men and women at risk, tax the hell out of the citizenry, destroy our dollar, and risk our security, just so the Israelis can have a home of their own without anyone questioning it?

For the record, Iran has a smaller military budget than Greece and a few other countries combined. For another, people want to misinterpret Ahmedinajad's statesments.

All I can say is that I'm going to join a anti-militarist militia if our government keeps putting other nations before us.

anti-militarist militia!!! niiiice... when they strap that lumpy jacket on you and give you a one way ticket somewhere just remember us kindly...

 

[Sinsear]

America first and always.


OP seems like another muslim apologist.

 

[Zebo]

We shouldn't support either.

Wouldn't make a difference. Ask the 500 or so Christians hacked to death in Nigeria last week. There are 8 million excuses for them to kill, support of Israel is just one.

 

[Tristicus]

We shouldn't support either.

If I didn't know you were a troll by your other threads, I'd laugh in your e-face.

 

[Lemon law]

The reason American support Israel is, IMHO, the fact that Israel has a strong pro-Israeli lobby and press and the Palestinians almost totally lack those assets. As a result, the average American has to do their own independent research to discover the all aspects of the truth.

In other nations, the pro-Israeli lobby and press is no where near as strong, and as a result, those other nation's are better able to view the real truth. And better see that both the Israeli argument and the Palestinian arguments have some merits and demerits. And also see that the road to peace will not go down the give Israel everything road.

 

[Throckmorton]

Because most Americans consider Israelis the chosen people.

 

[woolfe9999]

The reason American support Israel is, IMHO, the fact that Israel has a strong pro-Israeli lobby and press and the Palestinians almost totally lack those assets. As a result, the average American has to do their own independent research to discover the all aspects of the truth.

In other nations, the pro-Israeli lobby and press is no where near as strong, and as a result, those other nation's are better able to view the real truth. And better see that both the Israeli argument and the Palestinian arguments have some merits and demerits. And also see that the road to peace will not go down the give Israel everything road.

That's it, eh? AIPIC is why a majority of the American people support Israel? You sure there are no other contributing factors other than this mono-causal explanation?

- wolf

 

[0roo0roo]

nice assertion made with a load of false assumptions
funny someone so angry about palin and co is ready to get in bed with hamas.

thats the way it goes

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

That's it, eh? AIPIC is why a majority of the American people support Israel? You sure there are no other contributing factors other than this mono-causal explanation?

- wolf

Shhhh. Bringing more than one variable throws people off to no end.

Currently the chances of the US going to war with Iran are nil. If we do it's because they did something incredibly stupid, and I'm not sure what that would be.

Imadinnerjacket has enough trouble internally as do his masters.

 

[JS80]

To hate Israel is to hate freedom, justice, and the United States.

 

[Zebo]

The reason American support Israel is, IMHO, the fact that Israel has a strong pro-Israeli lobby and press and the Palestinians almost totally lack those assets. As a result, the average American has to do their own independent research to discover the all aspects of the truth.

In other nations, the pro-Israeli lobby and press is no where near as strong, and as a result, those other nation's are better able to view the real truth. And better see that both the Israeli argument and the Palestinian arguments have some merits and demerits. And also see that the road to peace will not go down the give Israel everything road.

That was last week's excuse. The it was supporting Mubarek. Then the Saudi royal family. Then "stealing" from Arabia it's "god given" riches. Then blaspheming. Then hiding writers like Salmon Rusdie who dared diverge from Koran. Then the ever classic "crusades" as if we're a Christendom. Then... well you get the idea. Excuses go on forever, they'll find an excuse to make war on us. I say we stick to our values and support what aligns with them not a bunch of fundis just cause the spice must flow.

BTW Saudi lobby drawfs Israel lobby internationally, it's why nations like Germany, France etc are realigning. They need the spice.

 

[Anarchist420]

I don't hate Israel, I just don't give a flying shit about middle easterners, be they palestinians/iranians/israelis. What I do hate, is the fact that there are prominent Americans who want to risk American lives, money, and security for non-Americans.

I really don't care if either side wipes the other off the map, I'm a patriotic American. Unlike Palin and Robertson, I care about the U.S. and I don't want American lives lost or the U.S. further bankrupted over some middle easterners.

Jefferson warned us not to tangled in Alliances, yet that's the exact thing anti-American people like Robertson and Palin want to do.

 

[StageLeft]

I'm a patriotic American

What does this mean? That you only care about Americans or that you care about American ideals, which include justice and freedom for all humans?

 

[0roo0roo]

The reason American support Israel is, IMHO, the fact that Israel has a strong pro-Israeli lobby and press and the Palestinians almost totally lack those assets. As a result, the average American has to do their own independent research to discover the all aspects of the truth.

In other nations, the pro-Israeli lobby and press is no where near as strong, and as a result, those other nation's are better able to view the real truth. And better see that both the Israeli argument and the Palestinian arguments have some merits and demerits. And also see that the road to peace will not go down the give Israel everything road.

yea the giant jew cabal brainwashes the american people explanation

i'm sure the jews of europe brainwashed the europeans into having antisemitic viewpoints. such is their devious power.

never mind the anti israeli cr@p that goes on in college campuses, the whole idea that the lobby is powerful against the combined forces of antisemites, far lefty folk, and muslims is ridiculous.

once again, the false assumption, without brainwashing everyone would be against israel!!

straight down the middle is a wishy washy spineless road filled with moral relativism and such nonsense, its not evidence of fairness. i'm sure we could have been "fair" as some of these spineless folks are during ww2 and held the uk off at arms length because both parties are dirty so we will just stay out to be fair.

give me a break.

 

[Zebo]

Imadinnerjacket has enough trouble internally as do his masters.

Nah they're executing dozens by the day all this counter revolution talk is dead nowadays. It's not like the Shah days where Savak got tired of killing Civilians, the Revolutionary Guard are doing God's work and has no qualms w/ it, more the better/holier in fact.

 

[JSt0rm]

because we know that for the rapture to happen the joos must be in place.

 

[Ozoned]

Jewish wealth buys a lot of things...

 

[Zebo]

Look like the crazies are doing another intifada for Israel daring to rebuild thier temple from 60 years ago Muslims destroyed.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nation-and-world/la-fg-palestinian-protests16-2010mar17,0,428951.story

Intifada is a fancy word for mindless rioting and terrorism : code for firebombs and stone attacks, suicide bombers in malls, buses, restaurants. E.G. open season on murder and mayhem.

Yeah APAC or whatever you call them is why I support israel.:::roll:::

 

[Lemon law]

Its all well and fine for Zebo to point out the various Arab nations have been complete hypocrites. On one hand scared to attack Israel or really support the Palestinian cause, but on the other hand, perfectly willing to exploit the anti-Israeli hatreds of the man on the street in their own nations. With the latter point being an easy sell, because its the truth.

The question is and remains, is it wise for Israel to keep kiting the hatreds of its policies in the mid-east. As it is, in virtually any Arab nation, you would have to look under the belly of snakes to find any Israeli support and the hatreds now rub off on the USA. As it is, the Saudi Royal family is a lot less stable than they look, if nothing else Mubarek is getting old and can't last much longer, the Arab world to some extent is waiting for a new Nassar, and no new Arab leader will be able to sell an agenda that does not subscribe to the overwhelming Israeli hatreds of 275 million Arabs.

I am not saying that a new Nasser will inevitably arise, but I am saying that there is a very good probability if progress on a Palestinian State does not occur. Right now, some of the logical origins of such a new leader are Turkey, Iran, Egypt, or Lebanon. But one can never predict the unpredictable. And if oil and the blockading of the Persian gulf is used as a weapon, the threats are very real.

 

[RapidSnail]

The general reason that many Americans support Israel I would think is involved with historical events as well as the symbolism of the Israeli nation, with respect to politics and religion. History has been harsh to Hebrews, possibly more than any other group, and for so long a time. This situation seems to have primarily religious roots derived from the conflict between the blood lines of Ishmael and Isaac, sons of Abraham that are revered by both Jews and Muslims, and Christians as well. The religious demography of the Middle East heavily favors Muslim theology.

Physical geography of the Middle East also carries significance in the city of Jerusalem. Islam regards Jerusalem, along with Mecca and Medina, as part of the trinity of holy cities. To Jews it is the very definition of an Israeli state after the Old Testament conquest by David. Christians connect Jerusalem with the person of Jesus Christ, and the prophesied "New Jerusalem," home of the Christian saints. Because of this religious significance, there is a strong conflict between Muslims and Jews over possession of the region. In addition, many Muslims regard the establishment of a Jewish state as an infringement of their claim to the land.

The second World War of the mid-twentieth century was significant in that the Americans and Allies victory of Germany and the Axis powers brought to the forefront of the public eye some of the most despicable human rights violations in history. As the Allies were much more democratic and liberal than Nazi Germany, the treatment of hated groups under the Nazi regime (especially Jews), created ties between the Jewish people and most of the free world. In addition, the strong Judeo-Christan culture of America, radical or not, enforced the connection between America and the Jews.

The creation of the Israel nation-state signified for many Americans the ultimate victory of justice over evil. But for the Muslims in the area, this establishment was perceived as a direct insult and violation of their territoy. Thus physical warfare and political hatred began to, and still does, circulate throughout the Middle East. Because of American ties to the Jews, as a bastion of democracy among a region of the world struggling with often crude religious laws and punishments, and the general hatred of radical Islamists for Americans and Jews, American politics tends to favor a good relationship with Israel.

Religious demographics also play a role. Christian theology recognizes the Hebrews as the chosen people through which the Messiah (Jesus Christ) would be born. This goes far back to a pact with Abraham because of his faith. So then Christians will often be hesitant to criticize Israeli policy or its people because of the stigma of disrespecting the ethnic history of Christ himself. Unfortunately, some people are far too radical and irrational in their treatment of the Jews, going so far as to claim that Israel can do no wrong.

Collectively, the political and religious symmetry between the United States and Israel, as well the unstability of many of the Muslim nations coupled with a general distaste of American and the Jewish people leads to favorable support of Israel in most situations.

 

[JEDIYoda]

We shouldn't support either.

thats easy for you to say. Your probably still in grade school.
By the way we only support israel......where did you get that we support both??

Nice troll thread...

 

[EagleKeeper]

Where do you get the idea that the US is going to war over/for Israel.

Israel has demonstrated that it will pick it's battles when and where she choses.

If you remember, Israel took her lumps for the US/UN back in '90-91.
What did it accomplish for her? NAda!