why do people who "protect" animals often hurt or kill them...

Kelvrick

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I think bulldozing over the habitat of a rare spider is different than dissecting it in a laboratory setting.
 

Kelvrick

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que?

Dead is dead

Killing one for knowledge gained is different than killing the habitat where more might reside. I think it might be harder for them to survive under tons of concrete and asphalt.

That aside, I would have crushed it without thinking twice. Who would even recognize a rare spider? Just playing devils advocate between the difference of the two scenarios.
 

Ronstang

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Jul 8, 2000
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What a monumental waste of time. Move the fucking spider. It will be fine. It's habitat is not confined to that particular spot. Anywhere in the area is fine.

Liberals really are fucking stupid. I remember an engineering student friend of mine had a project for TXDOT when we were at Texas A&M 25 years ago. They needed to widen a section of road leading into Austin but some stupid envirowhackos were concerned about the affect of the extra traffic on the bird and wildlife population. So a $350K study had to be done by my friend's professor.

I told him that all they were going to find was any wildlife that was bothered was simply going to relocate a few hundred feet or maybe a mile. After a 6 month period and $350K later they found the wildlife simply moved.
 

waggy

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Dec 14, 2000
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lol reminds me when some state spent hundreds of thousands to move a tree.
 

edro

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Apr 5, 2002
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Dump 5 gal of gasoline in that hole and drop a match in there.
Problem solved. :D
 

alkemyst

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Feb 13, 2001
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Dead is dead

It's clear why you are in your status of life.

There is a difference in a wasted life and one that was learned from. Not that I agree with just killing a rare creature.

However, the Bald Eagle (Haliaeetus Leucocephalus) is now no longer at risk at all due to research that in the beginning cost their lives. They would have been eradicated without it.
 

HamburgerBoy

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Apr 12, 2004
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It's clear why you are in your status of life.

There is a difference in a wasted life and one that was learned from. Not that I agree with just killing a rare creature.

However, the Bald Eagle (Haliaeetus leucocephalus) is now no longer at risk at all due to research that in the beginning cost their lives. They would have been eradicated without it.

Fixed.
 

coldmeat

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Killing one for knowledge gained is different than killing the habitat where more might reside. I think it might be harder for them to survive under tons of concrete and asphalt.

That aside, I would have crushed it without thinking twice. Who would even recognize a rare spider? Just playing devils advocate between the difference of the two scenarios.

This. Do they have arachnologists working on that construction crew?
 

SlitheryDee

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Feb 2, 2005
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We don't value them because we love them. We want to learn about them simply because we like learning stuff, especially when that stuff might go away before we learn anything about it. I personally don't care about the welfare of this particular spider, but in the words of the great R.A. Heinlein:

"scientific research, no matter how 'pure' and useless it may seem, has an annoying habit of paying for itself many times, in the long run, in the form of greatly increased productivity."
 

SlitheryDee

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It's clear why you are in your status of life.

There is a difference in a wasted life and one that was learned from. Not that I agree with just killing a rare creature.

However, the Bald Eagle (Haliaeetus leucocephalus) is now no longer at risk at all due to research that in the beginning cost their lives. They would have been eradicated without it.

Fixed.


Whoa really?
 

alkemyst

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Whoa really?

Not sure if you are replying to Hamburgerboy's correction of a capitalized letter or my statement that the Bald Eagle is safe for now.

The latter is true, Animal Kingdom in Disney World had one in their show. Bird was awesome to see that close. When I was learning about animals we had them in Florida, but you couldn't approach them...sadly at that time you'd find them missing or shot and just left for dead.