Why do people think Statistics is Math.

[randumb]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: jman19
Do you think writing equations is all mathematicians do?

Anyway, I've studied a lot of CS, so I wouldn't think that

Yes, I am quite steadfast on that belief ! Actually, it's just more looking at the contemporary view of what Mathematics is... which is the majority of what people learn (up to say.. Algebra 2 or maybe Trigonometry if they're "lucky"). A great deal of what people learn in math is pretty much equations (save Geometry, where they're introduced the wonders of logic and theorems!)

I say you don't really get into the logic and theorms until Calculus, even Pre-Calc doesn't have a significant amount of proofs in it.

See USAMO/IMO problems.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: mugs
Because you touch yourself at night.

touching yourself makes baby jesus cry

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: otispunkmeyer
no idea, ever since secondary school in yr9 (13/14 year olds) we've been taught maths and stats....always made sure that they were distinct and not one.

the more relevant question, is why do English people call "math," "maths?"

 

[So]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: DougK62
Maybe because....I dunno...statistics uses a lot of math?

Engineering uses alot of math too.

Engineers here have to take a stats class too. MATH 352.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: DVK916
I say you don't really get into the logic and theorms until Calculus, even Pre-Calc doesn't have a significant amount of proofs in it.

I had quite a bit of logic in my geometry class, that's why I mentioned it. At least half the year was proofs, and I was never that good at it until later in life... hrm odd.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: DVK916
I say you don't really get into the logic and theorms until Calculus, even Pre-Calc doesn't have a significant amount of proofs in it.

I had quite a bit of logic in my geometry class, that's why I mentioned it. At least half the year was proofs, and I was never that good at it until later in life... hrm odd.

Oh yes, geometry you do. Can't forget about that class.

But outside of it, you don't see much proofs until much later.

 

[Demon-Xanth]

For the same reason people think that I'd be suited to be a DBA because I am an electronics tech. "You work on computers"

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: DVK916
Lots of people seem to lump stats in with math. I don't think you should. Even Mathematical Statistics isn't really math. You really can't call it applied math, since Statistical Theory/Mathematical Statistics isn't applied at all.

For example, this is NOT a math theorm, but a stat theorm.

let f(x1,x2,...x,n|theta) be a distribution, and

let theta-hat be an unbias estimator of theta, then

http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/4/8/6/4863a647daf34f1e0b8a05c316c03a05.png


This statement can be proven mathematicaly, but this isn't a math theorm, it is a stat theorm.

So again, stat isn't math.


The reasont he above theorm isn't a math theorm, is because it was discovered by a statistician, and is used only in Statisitics.

Statistics isnt math...
Probability is not statistics... Probability is math.

 

[DVK916]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: DVK916
Lots of people seem to lump stats in with math. I don't think you should. Even Mathematical Statistics isn't really math. You really can't call it applied math, since Statistical Theory/Mathematical Statistics isn't applied at all.

For example, this is NOT a math theorm, but a stat theorm.

let f(x1,x2,...x,n|theta) be a distribution, and

let theta-hat be an unbias estimator of theta, then

http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/4/8/6/4863a647daf34f1e0b8a05c316c03a05.png


This statement can be proven mathematicaly, but this isn't a math theorm, it is a stat theorm.

So again, stat isn't math.


The reasont he above theorm isn't a math theorm, is because it was discovered by a statistician, and is used only in Statisitics.

Statistics isnt math...
Probability is not statistics... Probability is math.

i agree, and that is not a probability theorm, it is a Stat theorm, which uses probability.

 

[Parasitic]

Most schools don't have funding for a separate department so the logical thing is to lump both statistics and math together into one department. Also as it began statisticians WERE mathematicians.

It's like engineers were also lumped into the "scientist" category.
And also...lots of mathematical concepts. Isn't a random variable rigorously defined as a function in a Hilbert space?

 

[Cattlegod]

stats is math. it is a sub category of math, just like you have monkeys, but then you have several types of monkeys (stats is a type of math).

 

[DougK62]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: DougK62
Maybe because....I dunno...statistics uses a lot of math?

Engineering uses alot of math too.

And your point is......

 

[randumb]

Originally posted by: Parasitic
Most schools don't have funding for a separate department so the logical thing is to lump both statistics and math together into one department. Also as it began statisticians WERE mathematicians.

It's like engineers were also lumped into the "scientist" category.
And also...lots of mathematical concepts. Isn't a random variable rigorously defined as a function in a Hilbert space?

Measurable function on a probability space.

 

[DVK916]

Statistics also uses a lot of Non probability measures, expecially Bayesian Analysis.

Example, a random Lebesgue measure.

 

[patentman]

Originally posted by: DVK916
Lots of people seem to lump stats in with math. I don't think you should. Even Mathematical Statistics isn't really math. You really can't call it applied math, since Statistical Theory/Mathematical Statistics isn't applied at all.

For example, this is NOT a math theorm, but a stat theorm.

let f(x1,x2,...x,n|theta) be a distribution, and

let theta-hat be an unbias estimator of theta, then

http://upload.wikimedia.org/math/4/8/6/4863a647daf34f1e0b8a05c316c03a05.png


This statement can be proven mathematicaly, but this isn't a math theorm, it is a stat theorm.

So again, stat isn't math.


The reasont he above theorm isn't a math theorm, is because it was discovered by a statistician, and is used only in Statisitics.

And this matters because?

 

[DaWhim]

stats is a part of math

 

[Legendary]

They're giving you a compliment.

 

[jman19]

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: jman19
Do you think writing equations is all mathematicians do?

Anyway, I've studied a lot of CS, so I wouldn't think that

Yes, I am quite steadfast on that belief ! Actually, it's just more looking at the contemporary view of what Mathematics is... which is the majority of what people learn (up to say.. Algebra 2 or maybe Trigonometry if they're "lucky"). A great deal of what people learn in math is pretty much equations (save Geometry, where they're introduced the wonders of logic and theorems!)

Heh, if you think of mathematics that way, then you might as well believe that CS is about being a code monkey

 

[Q]

I have my AP Stat exam Tuesday

 

[Stunt]

Because both math and stats involve numbers, both won't get you a job

 

[WildHorse]

Why do people think Statistics is Math

Stat IS math. You're splitting hairs, straining at gnats

 

[potoba]

it is math. Period.

 

[TallBill]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Aikouka

Originally posted by: DVK916
I say you don't really get into the logic and theorms until Calculus, even Pre-Calc doesn't have a significant amount of proofs in it.

I had quite a bit of logic in my geometry class, that's why I mentioned it. At least half the year was proofs, and I was never that good at it until later in life... hrm odd.

Oh yes, geometry you do. Can't forget about that class.

But outside of it, you don't see much proofs until much later.

I've seen the proof, you are an asshat.

 

[Dissipate]

Originally posted by: DVK916

Originally posted by: Aikouka
Because everything is based on mathematics and it isn't a physical science unlike some of the physical sciences that have a heavy math basis (like physics).

EDIT: You think you can complain about stats... Computer Science wasn't considered separate from Math for a long time yet depending on what we do, we don't do a ton of math . Our math knowledge is more of the applied mathematics domain.

Damn, atleast stat involves a lot of theoretical math, not just applied.

Do people still think CS is Math.

Computer science essentially consists of two parts: math and software engineering. The math part is the theoretical aspect of computer science. It can be thought of as the branch of computer science in which new tools known as algorithms are developed. The engineering aspect of it is using known mathematical tools to design and build large scale software systems.

There are many computer 'scientists' at my university that could not program their way out of a paper bag. They focus entirely on very specialized mathematical problems that involve coming up with algorithmic solutions to problems in various scientific branches (AI, bioinformatics, computational physics etc.). But there are many programmers who could not prove a theorem about an algorithm if their life depended on it.