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Why do people oppose gun registration, but not car registration?

notfred

Lifer
EDIT: Apparently the primary reason is because there is a fear of confiscation of weapons, and that fear doesn't exist with cars. I apologize if this thread turned into a flamewar.... most of the flaming (at the time I type this anyway) was my fault.

Why do people oppose gun registration, but not automobile registration?

Point 1: Licenses.
You are required to get a license to drive. No one argues that this is a violation of rights. It's accepted. Now, an automobile does have the abilty to kill people. However, that's not what it's designed for, it's designed for transportation. A gun is intended for the purpose of killing things. You think that if we are to start handing out licenses to use dangerous things, we'd definitely make sure that people were qualified to fire a gun, right? However, people oppose gun licensing, saying that it infringes upon our right to bear arms. I've never heard anyone complain about having his rights violated because of his driver's license.

Point 2: Registration.
You have to register your car. Your car cost 20 times what your gun cost. You use it every day, and you'd be up a creek without it. You use your gun oncea month, and if you were to lose it, you could probably replace it before you had the need to use it again. No one complains that the state keeps a record of where you live, how many and what type of cars you own, or that the state makes you put a metal ID plate on your cars, or that they have the ability to confiscate your car should you fail to pay the registration fee. This also is accepted. However, if the state was to propose simply keeping a record of current addresses ofr gun owners, people would be screaming about a violation of thier rights.

Guns and cars are equally priveate property. Typically cars have a much higher value than guns. Comparatively, there are MANY more restrictions on the use of cars than there are on the use of guns. No one complains about any of these restrictions, yet when it comes to guns, there are lobby groups, protests, and newspaper editorials condemning any of the same practices as for cars. Why are we so complacent to have the government control some of our property, but so ademant about them not controlling other property?

A note on the constitutionality argument:
I'm anticipating responses like 'there's an amendment to the constitution saying you can own guns - there isn't one for cars'. I'm trying to avoid this argument. The way the constitution is set up, we could add an amendment to protect our cars, if we so desired. Also, we could repeal the one protecting weapons. My issue is on WHY have we choesen to protect guns and not cars? Also, although there is no specific reference to automobiles in the constitution, the American people do have a common law right to travel. You only have to contemplate the outcome of putting a law banning travel bewtween states without signed government consent forms before the supreme court in order to see that we do, as Americans, have the right to travel inour country. You may say "We have the right travel, but not neccesarily the right to drive a car... it means on horseback or by foot, like when it was written". In the same fashion, I can say "we have the right to bear arms, but not semi automatic firearms... it means black powder rifles and swords, like when it was written". So, I'd like to leave out the constitutionality argument at this point, and focus on why we protect one type of personal property, but not another.

Also, note that I am neither making a point for gun registration, nor against automobile registration, but simply making an observance of something I noticed.
 
As for registering guns vs. cars, people tend to have way more guns than cars. 🙂

I think it's basically a "big brother" thing. Joe Smoe is worried about the government being able to look him up and see that he owns a small arsenal. 😉

amish
 
same reason people oppose government camera's in your house.

because its just one more step to taking them away, each step you take makes the next one easier, and easier.


good thing none of my 3 guns are registered. as i've never bought a gun from a gun store. you can buy them anywhere.



also, the only good government, is no government. and if a government is nesissary. the best government is the one that governs least.
 
Originally posted by: HOWITIS
same reason people oppose government camera's in your house.
because its just one more step to taking them away, each step you take makes the next one easier, and easier.
good thing none of my 3 guns are registered. as i've never bought a gun from a gun store. you can buy them anywhere.
also, the only good government, is no government. and if a government is nesissary. the best government is the one that governs least.

NOTE: Read this entire post before replying, or you'll likely look like an unimformed jackass

Guess what you look like, HOWITIS?
 
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
Nowhere is a person guaranteed that the right to "keep and drive cars shall not be infringed."

Actually, since I'm a CCW permit holder, the gov has a pretty good idea that I won @ least one weapon. There have already been under the table abuses of the existing lists compiled through various means.

😀

 
Originally posted by: ShotgunSteve
Nowhere is a person guaranteed that "the right to keep and drive cars shall not be infringed."

you also get the "look like a jackass cause you didn't read the whole post" reply.
 
I am personally against most types of registration.

I am against vehicle registration as well. I would love to see
that go away.

Registering guns, historically, has been the first step to removing
them from the public.


DD
 
I oppose it because when the government and peacenik fundies go on their anti-gun kicks, it's the registered folks who get punished. You can't ever take guns away from the criminals. So who do you think the peacenik fundies are protesting and trying to get guns taken away from?

Me.
 
ok asshole, how about because we there arn't millions of us standing out in public shooting guns everyday. you DO have to be licensed to hunt, which is FAR more comparable.
 
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
I oppose it because when the government and peacenik fundies go on their anti-gun kicks, it's the registered folks who get punished. You can't ever take guns away from the criminals. So who do you think the peacenik fundies are protesting and trying to get guns taken away from?

Me.

Jump on the train full of jackasses who didn't read the whole post.
 
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
I oppose it because when the government and peacenik fundies go on their anti-gun kicks, it's the registered folks who get punished. You can't ever take guns away from the criminals. So who do you think the peacenik fundies are protesting and trying to get guns taken away from?

Me.

Jump on the train full of jackasses who didn't read the whole post.

Jump on the train full of jackasses who assume I didn't read the whole post.

*SURPRISE!*

I did.
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I could care less about auto registration and think the point is rediculous to argue, so I left it alone.
 
what are you talking about notfred. your post about cars and guns just rambles. why don't you tell us what to say, and we can eliminate the entire guessing process??
 
Originally posted by: HOWITIS
ok asshole, how about because we there arn't millions of us standing out in public shooting guns everyday. you DO have to be licensed to hunt, which is FAR more comparable.

That somewhat addresses the licensing issue, although a hunting license is really there simply to control the number of deer killed, it in no way proves your competence to operate a firearm. It doesn't address the registration issue at all.
 
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
I oppose it because when the government and peacenik fundies go on their anti-gun kicks, it's the registered folks who get punished. You can't ever take guns away from the criminals. So who do you think the peacenik fundies are protesting and trying to get guns taken away from?

Me.

Jump on the train full of jackasses who didn't read the whole post.

Jump on the train full of jackasses who assume I didn't read the whole post.

*SURPRISE!*

I did.
rolleye.gif


I could care less about auto registration and think the point is rediculous to argue, so I left it alone.

That's the whole damn point of the post, why do you care about gun registration, but not auto registration?
 
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
I oppose it because when the government and peacenik fundies go on their anti-gun kicks, it's the registered folks who get punished. You can't ever take guns away from the criminals. So who do you think the peacenik fundies are protesting and trying to get guns taken away from?

Me.

Jump on the train full of jackasses who didn't read the whole post.
WTF kind of responses are you after?

 
Last time I checked. Registration on your vehicle is a tax. It's nothing more than sending the government a small ammount of money every year to pay for roads and such. I don't get what these gun laws do to prevent criminals from getting guns. Not only do they never register them, can easily get automatic weapons, but they can also buy them for 20 bucks a pop from their local "gun dealer".
 
Originally posted by: HOWITIS
same reason people oppose government camera's in your house.

because its just one more step to taking them away, each step you take makes the next one easier, and easier.


good thing none of my 3 guns are registered. as i've never bought a gun from a gun store. you can buy them anywhere.



also, the only good government, is no government. and if a government is nesissary. the best government is the one that governs least.

it must be a fun life, waking up each morning, hoping that it might be the day when you'll have to defend yourself against the 101st airborne when they come to try to claim your guns.
 
Originally posted by: sward666
Jump on the train full of jackasses who didn't read the whole post.
WTF kind of responses are you after?[/quote]

Ones that address the issue I wrote about: that issue being "Why are we secure to let the governmet regulate our cars to thier hearts content, but not our guns?"
 
Cars driven on PUBLIC ROADS must be licensed and registered. If you own a vehicle that you drive on private property only, it need not be registered and you need not be licensed to drive it.

The comparison is based on a false premise. It is not the ownership of the car that requires registration, it is the use of public roads.

If you want a valid comparison, try public CARRY of weapons and cars.
 
I don't think gun registration is one step closer to the gov't taking your guns away. With the number of guns in this country, the federal government would go broke trying to confiscate all of them. Not to mention most of the people who would be responsible for collecting them are probably gun collectors themselves (police and the military). So I think the conspiratorial fears can be put to rest.
 
Answers:

Point 1: You do not need a license unless you drive on public roads, just like you do not need a license for your gun, unless you use in a Government managed hunting area (Called WMA's in most parts) or regulated things that guns can be used for (Like target shooting and trading)

Point 2: I have read your entire post and you have a valid topic for discussion.



I look at it differently then you do. I see a vehicle as expendable and can be replaced if you 'lose' it, but 'losing' a gun/rifle/weapon could cost you your life if you 'lose' it at the wrong time whereas a vehicle would not.........

I for one would vote to amend the constitution to add cars as a protected right, but the license to drive them on public roads would be a thing that needs to given on a basis like it is now. Test everyone for their driving skills as would be needed on public roads.

EDIT: Noticed the hunting license was already brought up so I will add one more step to it. If you was born after (in general)1976 or after, you MUST go through a class on gun safety. Not sure if you are given a test or not, but I know you have to do it if your young 😉
 
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
Originally posted by: notfred
Originally posted by: ffmcobalt
I oppose it because when the government and peacenik fundies go on their anti-gun kicks, it's the registered folks who get punished. You can't ever take guns away from the criminals. So who do you think the peacenik fundies are protesting and trying to get guns taken away from?

Me.

Jump on the train full of jackasses who didn't read the whole post.

Jump on the train full of jackasses who assume I didn't read the whole post.

*SURPRISE!*

I did.
rolleye.gif


I could care less about auto registration and think the point is rediculous to argue, so I left it alone.

That's the whole damn point of the post, why do you care about gun registration, but not auto registration?

Sorry for not conforming to how you wanted me to answer.
rolleye.gif
I'll do better next time by asking how you want me to reply.
 
Registration has ALWAYS lead to confiscation. Look at any weapon registration throughout history. It has always followed with confiscation, and usually oppression.
 
because your typical gun nut can't tell the difference between his gun and his pen!s, with the former giving him a sense of power and control over his life/environment that he lacks.

btw, i own one, but i'm just not attached to it irrationally.
 
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