Why do people love SUVs so much?

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
oh ya, and finally, AWD does NOT HELP WITH BREAKING. how many wheels are powered is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT when you are trying to STOP THE VEHICLE. the same 4 wheels are touching the ground and the same 4 wheels have brakes whether or not they are powered.

Of course this is correct but people don't experience this 1st hand until it's too late. Much of the SUV accidents are from failing to stop, usually because of their added weight and sometimes because they're driving like gangbusters in the first place. People just need to be educated - practice in an open lot and learn what their vehicle can do.

There are just as many sports cars driving recklessly in the rain, on top of the times they do it on dry land.

no, because most people that drive sports cars aren't deluded into believing they are driving vehicles with bad weather handling capabilities. they start off knowing that the sports car will handle poorly in bad weather conditions, hence are more careful.

SUV drivers on the other hand believe themselves to be in vehicles that handle JUST as well in bad weather as it does in good weather.

that's one of my 2 pet peeves regarding SUV drivers, the fact that many of them start with the premise that SUV's handle well in bad weather.

NOTHING HANDLES well in bad weather, the SUV just handles a little better than RWD vehicles but you should NEVER assume a vehicle has good traction in bad weather.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
oh ya, and finally, AWD does NOT HELP WITH BREAKING. how many wheels are powered is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT when you are trying to STOP THE VEHICLE. the same 4 wheels are touching the ground and the same 4 wheels have brakes whether or not they are powered.

Of course this is correct but people don't experience this 1st hand until it's too late. Much of the SUV accidents are from failing to stop, usually because of their added weight and sometimes because they're driving like gangbusters in the first place. People just need to be educated - practice in an open lot and learn what their vehicle can do.

There are just as many sports cars driving recklessly in the rain, on top of the times they do it on dry land.

no, because most people that drive sports cars aren't deluded into believing they are driving vehicles with bad weather handling capabilities. they start off knowing that the sports car will handle poorly in bad weather conditions, hence are more careful.

SUV drivers on the other hand believe themselves to be in vehicles that handle JUST as well in bad weather as it does in good weather.

that's one of my 2 pet peeves regarding SUV drivers, the fact that many of them start with the premise that SUV's handle well in bad weather.

NOTHING HANDLES well in bad weather, the SUV just handles a little better than RWD vehicles but you should NEVER assume a vehicle has good traction in bad weather.

You're assuming that all SUVs are 4WD. Many aren't (in fact, I'd bet a good 50% of them aren't 4WD) and don't even handle as well as a good FWD car in bad weather.

I've noticed the "I have an SUV therefore I can go through anything" attitude with some SUV owners too. There is no logical thought process there and there is no sense in trying to reason with these people either. Morons...:roll:

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
oh ya, and finally, AWD does NOT HELP WITH BREAKING. how many wheels are powered is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT when you are trying to STOP THE VEHICLE. the same 4 wheels are touching the ground and the same 4 wheels have brakes whether or not they are powered.

Of course this is correct but people don't experience this 1st hand until it's too late. Much of the SUV accidents are from failing to stop, usually because of their added weight and sometimes because they're driving like gangbusters in the first place. People just need to be educated - practice in an open lot and learn what their vehicle can do.

There are just as many sports cars driving recklessly in the rain, on top of the times they do it on dry land.

no, because most people that drive sports cars aren't deluded into believing they are driving vehicles with bad weather handling capabilities. they start off knowing that the sports car will handle poorly in bad weather conditions, hence are more careful.

SUV drivers on the other hand believe themselves to be in vehicles that handle JUST as well in bad weather as it does in good weather.

that's one of my 2 pet peeves regarding SUV drivers, the fact that many of them start with the premise that SUV's handle well in bad weather.

NOTHING HANDLES well in bad weather, the SUV just handles a little better than RWD vehicles but you should NEVER assume a vehicle has good traction in bad weather.

You're assuming that all SUVs are 4WD. Many aren't (in fact, I'd bet a good 50% of them aren't 4WD) and don't even handle as well as a good FWD car in bad weather.

I've noticed the "I have an SUV therefore I can go through anything" attitude with some SUV owners too. There is no logical thought process there and there is no sense in trying to reason with these people either. Morons...:roll:

hahahaha, you are right of course, many SUV's do have 2 WD options. just ludicrous when you think about it. HTF is it an SUV if it is only 2 WD??

but anyway, ya, even when it's only 2 WD, they STILL think it handles better than the Honda Accord they are trying to pass.

 

[natto fire]

:music:Johnny?s in america, low-tech?s at the Wheel
No-one needs anyone, they don?t even Just pretend
Johnny?s in america

I?m afraid of americans:music:

Americans like to feel safe, 'in control', despite the logistical paradox that entails.

And then you got your people that actually use them to haul cargo and people off-road. Either way I enjoy blowing by them on the freeway in my hatchback, and keep on blowing past the gas stations while they sit there slack-jawed complaining about gas prices. 😛

 

[flexy]

Originally posted by: Modeps
I bought a Highlander because my wife and I are expecting and they're easy to carry a ton of stuff around in.

incl. fat people 🙂 I see them all the time in their big SUVs 🙂

 

[Tbirdkid]

I run the bangbus out of the back of my yukon....

 

[natto fire]

Originally posted by: Tbirdkid
I run the bangbus out of the back of my yukon....

ROFLMAO! nice one, but you know there is more headroom in one of those new International/Dodge big vans...

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: spidey07
Because you simply can't beat the convience and hauling in any other vehicle.

Pffft! A minivan has as much or more interior space as an SUV and is a lot easier to get in and out of. They're also generally more comfortable to ride in and usually have better fuel economy. If you're hauling a trailer or need 4x4 capability then I can see an SUV but otherwise you're probably better off with a large car or minivan.

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Ornery

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

You know, that bit about RWD being cheaper than FWD for repairs is actually not true. I do all my own labor on my cars, and I can tell you that while FWD is somewhat more difficult to work on in many instances (space is tight when you've got the engine, tranny and your axle halfshafts all in the same hole), but they're no more expensive.

Jason

Look Jason, there are no "halfshafts" on a RWD car. Just $10.00 U-Joints. There are no $200.00 electric motor driven radiator fans. They're driven by a cheap fan belt basically for free. Most RWD vehicles do NOT have a stinkin' timing belt to replace at 70K miles, and most FWD cars do. I already know how hard it is to access parts in a FWD, which is why labor is far more if you don't do it yourself. Even if you do, who needs or wants the aggravation, when it's simple enough to buy a RWD in the first place!

U-joints are not universally $10, buddy. On my old S10 the U-joints were $40 a pop. As for the electric motor driven fans, those are FAR superior to the mechanically driven fans that invariably add additional stress to the water pump bearings and wear it out faster. In all the FWD cars I've ever owned I have *never* had to replace the electric fan, not *once*. As for timing belts, MOST cars made today have BELTS instead of chains, FWD or not. And in point of fact, Timing chains must also be replaced, usually at around 80-100,000 miles. I've got an '82 Datsun 210 with a timing chain on it (yes, it's a chain, not a belt, and yes, the car is RWD) that's got 349,000 miles on it. I've never cracked open the timing cover, not *once*.

Further, if you drive in snow, FWD gives you *far* superior control to RWD. As for repairs, why would I pay someone else to do something I can do? The mechanical systems on cars aren't complex, for chrissakes, you just have to pay attention to what you're doing when you take it all apart and put it back together again.

Jason

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: exdeath

Originally posted by: Ornery

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

You know, that bit about RWD being cheaper than FWD for repairs is actually not true. I do all my own labor on my cars, and I can tell you that while FWD is somewhat more difficult to work on in many instances (space is tight when you've got the engine, tranny and your axle halfshafts all in the same hole), but they're no more expensive.

Jason

Look Jason, there are no "halfshafts" on a RWD car. Just $10.00 U-Joints. There are no $200.00 electric motor driven radiator fans. They're driven by a cheap fan belt basically for free. Most RWD vehicles do NOT have a stinkin' timing belt to replace at 70K miles, and most FWD cars do. I already know how hard it is to access parts in a FWD, which is why labor is far more if you don't do it yourself. Even if you do, who needs or wants the aggravation, when it's simple enough to buy a RWD in the first place!

Heh I agree that generally FWD is harder to work on. On my Camry I have to remove all but the front fender to replace the water pump and beat apart the whole suspension just to get to the clutch...

But my RWD Cobra isn't much more fun... I have a choice of removing the brake system (ie: master cyl and all its friends , booster, ABS, etc) or drop the lower engine mounts and members and jack the engine up... just to pop off a valve cover...

Good examples. Point should be, peoples, that working on cars is a pain in the ass *regardless* of whether it's RWD/FWD, and neither camp can unilaterally claim that one or the other is cheaper to work on. As with all things, difficulty levels for performing various kinds of maintenance vary from vehicle to vehicle.

Jason

 

[DragonMasterAlex]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Labor prices are the same in a shop if you bring in a RWD or a FWD or AWD. I have never seen prices in a shop change because of the drivetrain configuration of a car.

Labor rate stays the same, but the hours it takes to do a particular job vary by the car. Pulling the rear plugs in a sideways mounted six cylinder, can be a MAJOR addition to that time, for just one example.

Not necessarily. I used to have a Nissan quest (read: Mercury Villager, made by Ford) with a sideways mounted V6, and I could change all the plugs in that car in 30 minutes.

It's amazing what can be done quickly if you use the right tools 🙂

Jason

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: DragonMasterAlex

Originally posted by: Ornery
Labor prices are the same in a shop if you bring in a RWD or a FWD or AWD. I have never seen prices in a shop change because of the drivetrain configuration of a car.

Labor rate stays the same, but the hours it takes to do a particular job vary by the car. Pulling the rear plugs in a sideways mounted six cylinder, can be a MAJOR addition to that time, for just one example.

Not necessarily. I used to have a Nissan quest (read: Mercury Villager, made by Ford) with a sideways mounted V6, and I could change all the plugs in that car in 30 minutes.

It's amazing what can be done quickly if you use the right tools 🙂

Jason

I will give this however, regarding FWD repair costs: FWD automatic transmissions are $$$$$$ more than anything else.

Another + for manual 😀

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
oh ya, and finally, AWD does NOT HELP WITH BREAKING. how many wheels are powered is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT when you are trying to STOP THE VEHICLE. the same 4 wheels are touching the ground and the same 4 wheels have brakes whether or not they are powered.

Of course this is correct but people don't experience this 1st hand until it's too late. Much of the SUV accidents are from failing to stop, usually because of their added weight and sometimes because they're driving like gangbusters in the first place. People just need to be educated - practice in an open lot and learn what their vehicle can do.

There are just as many sports cars driving recklessly in the rain, on top of the times they do it on dry land.

no, because most people that drive sports cars aren't deluded into believing they are driving vehicles with bad weather handling capabilities. they start off knowing that the sports car will handle poorly in bad weather conditions, hence are more careful.

SUV drivers on the other hand believe themselves to be in vehicles that handle JUST as well in bad weather as it does in good weather.

that's one of my 2 pet peeves regarding SUV drivers, the fact that many of them start with the premise that SUV's handle well in bad weather.

NOTHING HANDLES well in bad weather, the SUV just handles a little better than RWD vehicles but you should NEVER assume a vehicle has good traction in bad weather.

You're assuming that all SUVs are 4WD. Many aren't (in fact, I'd bet a good 50% of them aren't 4WD) and don't even handle as well as a good FWD car in bad weather.

I've noticed the "I have an SUV therefore I can go through anything" attitude with some SUV owners too. There is no logical thought process there and there is no sense in trying to reason with these people either. Morons...:roll:

hahahaha, you are right of course, many SUV's do have 2 WD options. just ludicrous when you think about it. HTF is it an SUV if it is only 2 WD??

but anyway, ya, even when it's only 2 WD, they STILL think it handles better than the Honda Accord they are trying to pass.

who are these "THEY" people you guys are referring to ? These generalizations are ridiculous. I'll BET they are the minority, despite what you've "personally experienced".

You guys see an SUV careening off the road because they were gung-ho in driving that thing. Now how many SUV drivers did not careen off the road ? :roll:

You guys do realize you are making generalizations right ?

Morons...:roll:

 

[Ornery]

1. Most U-Joints are dirt cheap and easy to replace. CV Joints are NEVER cheap or easy.
2. Timing belts MUST be replaced at a scheduled time by the manufacturer. After 30 years of buying well used, huge domestic V8s, I've only replaced one chain, and that's because I had it apart to do an oil pump.
   
   I've got an '82 Datsun 210 with a timing chain on it (yes, it's a chain, not a belt, and yes, the car is RWD) that's got 349,000 miles on it. I've never cracked open the timing cover, not *once*.
   
   Thanks for making my point! :thumbsup:
   
3. My father-in-law just had one of those wondrous electric radiator fan motors replaced. DAMN, that's a butt load of money. I'd rather replace a $20.00 water pump!
4. "...why would I pay someone else to do something I can do?" I fix everything I can myself, and that's the EXACT reason I buy easy to access, full size, RWD vehicles.
5. "...neither camp can unilaterally claim that one or the other is cheaper to work on." Full size, RWD is generally cheaper, and ALWAYS easier.
6. My dad has a Windstar that is ridiculously difficult to get at the serpentine belt tensioner, among other things. It goes without saying, that shoe-horning an engine AND tranny under the hood of a tiny vehicle is going to decrease accessibility... period!

 

[exdeath]

Originally posted by: Ornery

1. Most U-Joints are dirt cheap and easy to replace. CV Joints are NEVER cheap or easy.
2. Timing belts MUST be replaced at a scheduled time by the manufacturer. After 30 years of buying well used, huge domestic V8s, I've only replaced one chain, and that's because I had it apart to do an oil pump.
   
   I've got an '82 Datsun 210 with a timing chain on it (yes, it's a chain, not a belt, and yes, the car is RWD) that's got 349,000 miles on it. I've never cracked open the timing cover, not *once*.
   
   Thanks for making my point! :thumbsup:
   
3. My father-in-law just had one of those wondrous electric radiator fan motors replaced. DAMN, that's a butt load of money. I'd rather replace a $20.00 water pump!
4. "...why would I pay someone else to do something I can do?" I fix everything I can myself, and that's the EXACT reason I buy easy to access, full size, RWD vehicles.
5. "...neither camp can unilaterally claim that one or the other is cheaper to work on." Full size, RWD is generally cheaper, and ALWAYS easier.
6. My dad has a Windstar that is ridiculously difficult to get at the serpentine belt tensioner, among other things. It goes without saying, that shoe-horning an engine AND tranny under the hood of a tiny vehicle is going to decrease accessibility... period!

Oh yeah... last time I looked CV axles are like $500 a pop!

 

[Ornery]

1. ...you may have to replace the CV joints. In this case, $500.00 would be just about right.

 

[busmaster11]

Originally posted by: Ready
It's obvious that the vast majority of the people now aren't buying SUVs its' utility.
Is it just an image thing?

I live in the city of Chicago. I've had to move about a dozen times in the 4 years I've had my Isuzu Rodeo (myself, my girlfriend, friends) and it would have not been possible without it. I've also taken it camping with friends and bought furniture with it. It also helps to have an SUV when you get "snowed in" by salt trucks in the winter when you park in the street.

Most of the time, I wish I drive a Civic, or a Prius. But for many situations, I'm glad I have an SUV.

Anything larger and I would tend to agree with your point... As the Big 3 continue to move toward more power and more size, they advertise all these tiny little vehicles on the other end of the spectrum that are fuel efficient, just so they can say they have some in their lineup. Too bad they can't learn from the Japanese and develop refined technology that can in fact combine a fuel efficient vehicle that is actually respectable in other areas...

 

[Stretchman]

I think it's just the sheep mentality.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
oh ya, and finally, AWD does NOT HELP WITH BREAKING. how many wheels are powered is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT when you are trying to STOP THE VEHICLE. the same 4 wheels are touching the ground and the same 4 wheels have brakes whether or not they are powered.

Of course this is correct but people don't experience this 1st hand until it's too late. Much of the SUV accidents are from failing to stop, usually because of their added weight and sometimes because they're driving like gangbusters in the first place. People just need to be educated - practice in an open lot and learn what their vehicle can do.

There are just as many sports cars driving recklessly in the rain, on top of the times they do it on dry land.

no, because most people that drive sports cars aren't deluded into believing they are driving vehicles with bad weather handling capabilities. they start off knowing that the sports car will handle poorly in bad weather conditions, hence are more careful.

SUV drivers on the other hand believe themselves to be in vehicles that handle JUST as well in bad weather as it does in good weather.

that's one of my 2 pet peeves regarding SUV drivers, the fact that many of them start with the premise that SUV's handle well in bad weather.

NOTHING HANDLES well in bad weather, the SUV just handles a little better than RWD vehicles but you should NEVER assume a vehicle has good traction in bad weather.

You're assuming that all SUVs are 4WD. Many aren't (in fact, I'd bet a good 50% of them aren't 4WD) and don't even handle as well as a good FWD car in bad weather.

I've noticed the "I have an SUV therefore I can go through anything" attitude with some SUV owners too. There is no logical thought process there and there is no sense in trying to reason with these people either. Morons...:roll:

hahahaha, you are right of course, many SUV's do have 2 WD options. just ludicrous when you think about it. HTF is it an SUV if it is only 2 WD??

but anyway, ya, even when it's only 2 WD, they STILL think it handles better than the Honda Accord they are trying to pass.

who are these "THEY" people you guys are referring to ? These generalizations are ridiculous. I'll BET they are the minority, despite what you've "personally experienced".

You guys see an SUV careening off the road because they were gung-ho in driving that thing. Now how many SUV drivers did not careen off the road ? :roll:

You guys do realize you are making generalizations right ?

Morons...:roll:

Generalizations about whether or not an SUV is 4WD or not? That's the only generalization I've made. That's as easy as looking under the front end...or the local classifieds. I would be willing to bet that close to 50% of all SUVs sold are 2WD. I defy anyone to prove me wrong!!! :laugh:

 

[IGBT]

..most would be better off wit a miniVan.

 

[Tbirdkid]

My wife (queen of the bangbus) told me she would never be caught dead in a minivan. But she will drive a bus like a yukon... sometimes, i dont get her, but then again, she wanted an envoy. I made her get the yukon for my size.

 

[rh71]

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
oh ya, and finally, AWD does NOT HELP WITH BREAKING. how many wheels are powered is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT when you are trying to STOP THE VEHICLE. the same 4 wheels are touching the ground and the same 4 wheels have brakes whether or not they are powered.

Of course this is correct but people don't experience this 1st hand until it's too late. Much of the SUV accidents are from failing to stop, usually because of their added weight and sometimes because they're driving like gangbusters in the first place. People just need to be educated - practice in an open lot and learn what their vehicle can do.

There are just as many sports cars driving recklessly in the rain, on top of the times they do it on dry land.

no, because most people that drive sports cars aren't deluded into believing they are driving vehicles with bad weather handling capabilities. they start off knowing that the sports car will handle poorly in bad weather conditions, hence are more careful.

SUV drivers on the other hand believe themselves to be in vehicles that handle JUST as well in bad weather as it does in good weather.

that's one of my 2 pet peeves regarding SUV drivers, the fact that many of them start with the premise that SUV's handle well in bad weather.

NOTHING HANDLES well in bad weather, the SUV just handles a little better than RWD vehicles but you should NEVER assume a vehicle has good traction in bad weather.

You're assuming that all SUVs are 4WD. Many aren't (in fact, I'd bet a good 50% of them aren't 4WD) and don't even handle as well as a good FWD car in bad weather.

I've noticed the "I have an SUV therefore I can go through anything" attitude with some SUV owners too. There is no logical thought process there and there is no sense in trying to reason with these people either. Morons...:roll:

hahahaha, you are right of course, many SUV's do have 2 WD options. just ludicrous when you think about it. HTF is it an SUV if it is only 2 WD??

but anyway, ya, even when it's only 2 WD, they STILL think it handles better than the Honda Accord they are trying to pass.

who are these "THEY" people you guys are referring to ? These generalizations are ridiculous. I'll BET they are the minority, despite what you've "personally experienced".

You guys see an SUV careening off the road because they were gung-ho in driving that thing. Now how many SUV drivers did not careen off the road ? :roll:

You guys do realize you are making generalizations right ?

Morons...:roll:

Generalizations about whether or not an SUV is 4WD or not? That's the only generalization I've made. That's as easy as looking under the front end...or the local classifieds. I would be willing to bet that close to 50% of all SUVs sold are 2WD. I defy anyone to prove me wrong!!! :laugh:

how was it not clear in my text which generalizations I was referring to ? You guys speak about "they" as in SUV drivers like it's everyone when in fact those who [drive like that] are the minority, which makes it insignificant. Why ? How many actually get into accidents vs. how many do not ? There are bad seeds for any vehicle type.

"You guys" are picking on a select group within a select group and associate that problem with the entire group. That's where generalizations come in. Have you no idea that many things can be said for sports cars or minivans ? Then you'd be inclined to defend this point here and that point there and even make compromises but guess what ? It still means there are problems with your vehicle. And bad seeds who don't hesitate to exemplify it.

Must I bring up all the street racers who kill innocent people ? Or minivan drivers who drive with only one eye on the road because of distracting children ? No... because for every one of these situations, there are the majority who are not like that. Does the point to you stubborn & hypocritical people come across yet ?

BTW, if it had been a response to your particular point about 2WDs, I would've quoted your post instead.

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: JulesMaximus

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold

Originally posted by: rh71

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
oh ya, and finally, AWD does NOT HELP WITH BREAKING. how many wheels are powered is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT when you are trying to STOP THE VEHICLE. the same 4 wheels are touching the ground and the same 4 wheels have brakes whether or not they are powered.

Of course this is correct but people don't experience this 1st hand until it's too late. Much of the SUV accidents are from failing to stop, usually because of their added weight and sometimes because they're driving like gangbusters in the first place. People just need to be educated - practice in an open lot and learn what their vehicle can do.

There are just as many sports cars driving recklessly in the rain, on top of the times they do it on dry land.

no, because most people that drive sports cars aren't deluded into believing they are driving vehicles with bad weather handling capabilities. they start off knowing that the sports car will handle poorly in bad weather conditions, hence are more careful.

SUV drivers on the other hand believe themselves to be in vehicles that handle JUST as well in bad weather as it does in good weather.

that's one of my 2 pet peeves regarding SUV drivers, the fact that many of them start with the premise that SUV's handle well in bad weather.

NOTHING HANDLES well in bad weather, the SUV just handles a little better than RWD vehicles but you should NEVER assume a vehicle has good traction in bad weather.

You're assuming that all SUVs are 4WD. Many aren't (in fact, I'd bet a good 50% of them aren't 4WD) and don't even handle as well as a good FWD car in bad weather.

I've noticed the "I have an SUV therefore I can go through anything" attitude with some SUV owners too. There is no logical thought process there and there is no sense in trying to reason with these people either. Morons...:roll:

hahahaha, you are right of course, many SUV's do have 2 WD options. just ludicrous when you think about it. HTF is it an SUV if it is only 2 WD??

but anyway, ya, even when it's only 2 WD, they STILL think it handles better than the Honda Accord they are trying to pass.

who are these "THEY" people you guys are referring to ? These generalizations are ridiculous. I'll BET they are the minority, despite what you've "personally experienced".

You guys see an SUV careening off the road because they were gung-ho in driving that thing. Now how many SUV drivers did not careen off the road ? :roll:

You guys do realize you are making generalizations right ?

Morons...:roll:

Generalizations about whether or not an SUV is 4WD or not? That's the only generalization I've made. That's as easy as looking under the front end...or the local classifieds. I would be willing to bet that close to 50% of all SUVs sold are 2WD. I defy anyone to prove me wrong!!! :laugh:

how was it not clear in my text which generalizations I was referring to ? You guys speak about "they" as in SUV drivers like it's everyone when in fact those who [drive like that] are the minority, which makes it insignificant. Why ? How many actually get into accidents vs. how many do not ? There are bad seeds for any vehicle type.

"You guys" are picking on a select group within a select group and associate that problem with the entire group. That's where generalizations come in. Have you no idea that many things can be said for sports cars or minivans ? Then you'd be inclined to defend this point here and that point there and even make compromises but guess what ? It still means there are problems with your vehicle. And bad seeds who don't hesitate to exemplify it.

Must I bring up all the street racers who kill innocent people ? Or minivan drivers who drive with only one eye on the road because of distracting children ? No... because for every one of these situations, there are the majority who are not like that. Does the point to you stubborn & hypocritical people come across yet ?

BTW, if it had been a response to your particular point about 2WDs, I would've quoted your post instead.

you are right that only a small percentage get into accidents but for every one person that got into an accident i guarantee you there are at least 4 or 5 other drivers who drove just as recklessly and got lucky.

my point being, you CAN infer from a small sample. i see more suv's on the side of the road during snow storms than other vehicles, from this small data sample i draw conclusions.

i see more SUV being driven FAST in rain and snow conditions than i do other types of cars, from this sample size i draw conclusions.

and yes, they are GENERALIZATIONS, but so what? generalizations aren't a bad thing no matter WHAT the NAACP tells you. guess what, statistical regression is ALSO a generalization.

 

[dwcal]

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: dug777
You can tow easily, how the fvck else are you supposed to go offroad, high clear driving position, safe if driven responsibly, get the whole family plus dive gear on board, and tow a camper trailer...seem like pretty dam good reasons to own one myself 😛

bump since no one has actually answered me...or said i'm wrong 😛

OK, I'll respond since noone else has. 😛

Congratulations, you've just described maybe 2% of the SUV owners out there (tow camping trailers AND offroad). You might break into double digits if you include owners who tow big trailers OR offroad.

If you don't believe me, take a look around any parking lot. How many SUVs have trailer hitches? How many SUVs are lifted or have real offroad tires?

 

[PlatinumGold]

Originally posted by: dwcal

Originally posted by: dug777

Originally posted by: dug777
You can tow easily, how the fvck else are you supposed to go offroad, high clear driving position, safe if driven responsibly, get the whole family plus dive gear on board, and tow a camper trailer...seem like pretty dam good reasons to own one myself 😛

bump since no one has actually answered me...or said i'm wrong 😛

OK, I'll respond since noone else has. 😛

Congratulations, you've just described maybe 2% of the SUV owners out there (tow camping trailers AND offroad). You might break into double digits if you include owners who tow big trailers OR offroad.

If you don't believe me, take a look around any parking lot. How many SUVs have trailer hitches? How many SUVs are lifted or have real offroad tires?

unless of course you are talking about the car based SUV like the Highlander. front wheel drive based AWD isn't the best for towing.

of course many of the RWD based ones (Yukon, Expedition, etc) are mb too big for off roading.

gone are the days of the Jeep, as in not the brand but the vehicle.