why do people like bush?

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Genesys

Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Genesys?

sorry, out working and enjoying life. ill get back to arguing in a little bit.

To be clear, I wasn't trying to bait you into an argument -- I save that for people who make bogus claims and disappear when they're challenged. Since you asked for links, I wanted to be sure you saw them. Should have PM'd you; didn't even think about it until now.


Edit: and what's this BS about enjoying life? Are we allowed to have lives now? I thought P&N was our lives.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
i notice the dems are not touching the facts...big surprise...

1. clinton needed no additonal UN resolutions to commit acts of war against iraq. even to the point that clinton himself said his actions in 1998 were based on "exisiting resolutions" in an address to the nation given the day after massive strikes against iraq were launched.

2.the clinton administration adopted a policy of removing saddam and took steps to that end, in the same speech as mentioned above, clinton said "The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government"

3. the economic downturn began 1 year BEFORE bush was elected. 911 worsened it, and now we are recovering.

4. the whole "bush is stupid" thing... in 2000 he beat the democratic debating team champion al gore in all 3 debates. i guess if bush i stupid, al gore must be an absolute a simpleton to lose all 3 debates to this "stupid" republican...

ahh my eyes hurt, last post of the night...

merry CHRISTmas!

Bush won the debates (actually I think they both did bad) with promises of not becoming the World's Policeman and not to get into the business of Nation Building. Of course he's not stupid and maybe Gore wasn't as good as he was perceived to be prior to debating Mr. Articulate.

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
i notice the dems are not touching the facts...big surprise...

1. clinton needed no additonal UN resolutions to commit acts of war against iraq. even to the point that clinton himself said his actions in 1998 were based on "exisiting resolutions" in an address to the nation given the day after massive strikes against iraq were launched.

2.the clinton administration adopted a policy of removing saddam and took steps to that end, in the same speech as mentioned above, clinton said "The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government"

3. the economic downturn began 1 year BEFORE bush was elected. 911 worsened it, and now we are recovering.

4. the whole "bush is stupid" thing... in 2000 he beat the democratic debating team champion al gore in all 3 debates. i guess if bush i stupid, al gore must be an absolute a simpleton to lose all 3 debates to this "stupid" republican...

ahh my eyes hurt, last post of the night...

merry CHRISTmas!

Bush won the debates (actually I think they both did bad) with promises of not becoming the World's Policeman and not to get into the business of Nation Building. Of course he's not stupid and maybe Gore wasn't as good as he was perceived to be prior to debating Mr. Articulate.

that takes care of point #4 what about 1-3? actually his(gore) reputation is deserved, i think what threw him off and kept throwing him off is gore shared the perception that bush was not a challenge, but was confronted with a different reality than what he expected.

also do you think gore would be a better candidate than the current dem choices?

 

[outriding]

4. the whole "bush is stupid" thing... in 2000 he beat the democratic debating team champion al gore in all 3 debates. i guess if bush i stupid, al gore must be an absolute a simpleton to lose all 3 debates to this "stupid" republican...

Bush was the one who made up words in his debates... "stragery"

3. the economic downturn began 1 year BEFORE bush was elected. 911 worsened it, and now we are recovering.

Do you think the economy goes stright up all the time ? It would me nice but it doesnt there are always ups and downs.
You really have to look at the average.

1. clinton needed no additonal UN resolutions to commit acts of war against iraq. even to the point that clinton himself said his actions in 1998 were based on "exisiting resolutions" in an address to the nation given the day after massive strikes against iraq were launched.

Clinton was selling the war on something that was real. Bush was selling the war on lies... The alqueda link and the "absolute" proof that there were WMD's.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
i notice the dems are not touching the facts...big surprise...

1. clinton needed no additonal UN resolutions to commit acts of war against iraq. even to the point that clinton himself said his actions in 1998 were based on "exisiting resolutions" in an address to the nation given the day after massive strikes against iraq were launched.

2.the clinton administration adopted a policy of removing saddam and took steps to that end, in the same speech as mentioned above, clinton said "The best way to end that threat once and for all is with a new Iraqi government"

3. the economic downturn began 1 year BEFORE bush was elected. 911 worsened it, and now we are recovering.

4. the whole "bush is stupid" thing... in 2000 he beat the democratic debating team champion al gore in all 3 debates. i guess if bush i stupid, al gore must be an absolute a simpleton to lose all 3 debates to this "stupid" republican...

ahh my eyes hurt, last post of the night...

merry CHRISTmas!

Bush won the debates (actually I think they both did bad) with promises of not becoming the World's Policeman and not to get into the business of Nation Building. Of course he's not stupid and maybe Gore wasn't as good as he was perceived to be prior to debating Mr. Articulate.

that takes care of point #4 what about 1-3? actually his(gore) reputation is deserved, i think what threw him off and kept throwing him off is gore shared the perception that bush was not a challenge, but was confronted with a different reality than what he expected.

also do you think gore would be a better candidate than the current dem choices?

#1. Clinton sucked

#2 Clinton sucked

#3 The American Worker and Businessman is resilient

Do I think Gore would be a better candidate? No because he would not stand a chance of winning (like any of the others do) Do I think that Gore would have been a better Pesident? Possibly, I don't think Bush has done that well myself. if Gore had been in Bush's place after the 9/11 attacks he too could have taken advantage of American's shock, outrage and renewed sense of Patriotism to bolster his rating with the American Public just like the Dub did. He definately wouldn't have any Neocons in his Cabinet which in my opinion would be a major plus.

The man I voted for last time would have made a great President, John McCain. Of course the Republicans were to Myopic to realize this.

But as long as the economy does well and they keep spinning Iraq like they are and no new acts of terror occur on American Soil I think the Dub is a lock for the next election. Keep in mind though I have been wrong almost everytime when it comes to calling the Presidential Election.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Bush SURE CAN SPEND MONEY THAT AMERICA DOESN'T HAVE....


Clinton lied about a blowjob ... but Bush lied about the connection between Saddam and al-qaeda and Nuclear Weapons and NIGER and -has murdered multiple thousands of Iraqi's with his lies...- WELL, WHEN WILL THE IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS BEGIN??

Which LIE was worse?

"Clinton lied about a blowjob" - But that is what makes Clinton the worst President of all time. Everyone on the hill was jealous they weren't getting any.

"Bush lied about the connection between Saddam and al-qaeda and Nuclear Weapons and NIGER and -has murdered multiple thousands of Iraqi's with his lies" - This is what make Bush the greatest President of all time. You see for the Corrupt Politicians on the Hill it's all about who can be the best Liar wins.

 

[Red Dawn]

"Clinton lied about a blowjob" - But that is what makes Clinton the worst President of all time. Everyone on the hill was jealous they weren't getting any.

They were to busy buggering the American People to concern themselves with sex from a chubby Intern!

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: outriding
Bush was the one who made up words in his debates... "stragery"

and this is relevent to his beating gore in all 3 debates in what way?

Originally posted by: outriding
Do you think the economy goes stright up all the time ? It would me nice but it doesnt there are always ups and downs.
You really have to look at the average.

i know it does not, and i did look it up, that is why i know the downturn started with clintons presidency...something most democrats refuse to acknowledge. all they can do is say it is bushes fault somehow depite the fact it began when he was not even president.

Originally posted by: outriding
Clinton was selling the war on something that was real. Bush was selling the war on lies... The alqueda link and the "absolute" proof that there were WMD's.

ROFL!! the airstikes were largely unsuccessful. many of the facilities that were destroyed in 1998 were rebuilt by 2002 there were no other stikes to take them out, so where had this "real" evidence clinton found gone to? you do not consider a 40 acre hidden chemical complex and mobile labs that were found to be "real" evidence? this also did not address the point that clinton did what he did based on "existing un resolutions" why should bush need another resolution while clinton did not when both used much the same evidence and reasoning fo thier acts of war against iraq?

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: outriding
Bush was the one who made up words in his debates... "stragery"

and this is relevent to his beating gore in all 3 debates in what way?

You've said this twice now. I call BS. Prove that Bush-lite won the debates. Who says? What's the metric?

Originally posted by: outriding
Do you think the economy goes stright up all the time ? It would me nice but it doesnt there are always ups and downs.
You really have to look at the average.

i know it does not, and i did look it up, that is why i know the downturn started with clintons presidency...something most democrats refuse to acknowledge. all they can do is say it is bushes fault somehow depite the fact it began when he was not even president.

Originally posted by: outriding
Clinton was selling the war on something that was real. Bush was selling the war on lies... The alqueda link and the "absolute" proof that there were WMD's.

ROFL!! the airstikes were largely unsuccessful. many of the facilities that were destroyed in 1998 were rebuilt by 2002 there were no other stikes to take them out,

More nonsense. Unsuccessful by whose what measure? By whose standards? Were the WWII airstrikes against Germany and Japan unsuccessful too? Many of their facilities that were destroyed were rebuilt.

so where had this "real" evidence clinton found gone to? you do not consider a 40 acre hidden chemical complex and mobile labs that were found to be "real" evidence? this also did not address the point that clinton did what he did based on "existing un resolutions" why should bush need another resolution while clinton did not when both used much the same evidence and reasoning fo thier acts of war against iraq?

Nothing to see here. Just more revisionist history from the Bush apologists.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK

Originally posted by: outriding
Bush was the one who made up words in his debates... "stragery"

and this is relevent to his beating gore in all 3 debates in what way?

You've said this twice now. I call BS. Prove that Bush-lite won the debates. Who says? What's the metric?

IMO opinion from watching them he did...and that is what I think Shadowhawk was trying to say.

But after digging up my pile of Election 2000 stuff - I found a TIPP poll that says according to those polled - Gore "won" 2 of the 3 debates. Now that still doesn't answer Bowfinger's call for metrics and only is a "said so" by one polling group but I found this stat from the same data interesting which could cast some doubt on who "won" the debates.

Net Gain/Loss(regarding debate performance)
Bush -1% +1% -1%
Gore -1% -3% +2%

Now that says that they actually only "won" with voters overall - once a piece and lost twice each

This poll is out there for people who wish to go find it. google 2000 election debate polls and it's one of the top ones to be sure.

CkG

 

[Bowfinger]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: Bowfinger

Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
and this is relevent to his beating gore in all 3 debates in what way?

You've said this twice now. I call BS. Prove that Bush-lite won the debates. Who says? What's the metric?

IMO opinion from watching them he did...and that is what I think Shadowhawk was trying to say.

But after digging up my pile of Election 2000 stuff - I found a TIPP poll that says according to those polled - Gore "won" 2 of the 3 debates. Now that still doesn't answer Bowfinger's call for metrics and only is a "said so" by one polling group but I found this stat from the same data interesting which could cast some doubt on who "won" the debates.

Net Gain/Loss(regarding debate performance)
Bush -1% +1% -1%
Gore -1% -3% +2%

Now that says that they actually only "won" with voters overall - once a piece and lost twice each

This poll is out there for people who wish to go find it. google 2000 election debate polls and it's one of the top ones to be sure.

CkG

You made my point, CkG. Winning a debate is a matter of opinion. Shad0hak acts as if it is a fact.

 

[maluckey]

I like Bush because he keeps the Trolls busy hating him so much that they can think of nothing better to do than to attack him, instead of formulating a new vision for the country. Attacking someone as your platform isn't showing any ideas worth meriting. If just one Democrat, Independent, or Libertarian would come forth with anything original, and not just that Bush sucks, they would likely get my nod. Action is better than words.

I'm sick of everyone whining and saying Blah Blah Blah, Bush sucks! Blah Blah Blah, Iraq! Blah Blah....... What happened to health care reforms, and Medicare cost savings to the taxpayers? What about the military retirees, and their health needs? What about the failing American steel industries, and the dire straights that our nationwide electrical grid faces? I for one care about these issues, and they are not being addressed by Republicans or Democrats. Democrats hate Bush as their platform, and it works for them, but does it fix anything broken? Bush and co. are seucuring a stable future (they say), but have ignored what's today, and all of the above listed problems. Great for tomorrows economy, till the lights go out, or all the old people burden the taxpayers to bankrupty of Medicare and Social Security.

Just my thoughts for tonight.......

Mark

 

[Moonbeam]

Of course the big reason is that people hate themselves and feel a bit better knowing an idiot can succeed. It's sort of like giving yourself a vote of approval. Bush is just like me.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Of course the big reason is that people hate themselves and feel a bit better knowing an idiot can succeed. It's sort of like giving yourself a vote of approval. Bush is just like me.

Only less of an idiot, and more successful? Or are you arguing the other way around? Surely you aren't saying that both your idiocy and success are on par with each other?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Of course the big reason is that people hate themselves and feel a bit better knowing an idiot can succeed. It's sort of like giving yourself a vote of approval. Bush is just like me.

Only less of an idiot, and more successful? Or are you arguing the other way around? Surely you aren't saying that both your idiocy and success are on par with each other?

I would be willing to bet that many here, given his unique situations and opportunities, would have done better or at least as good.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Of course the big reason is that people hate themselves and feel a bit better knowing an idiot can succeed. It's sort of like giving yourself a vote of approval. Bush is just like me.

Only less of an idiot, and more successful? Or are you arguing the other way around? Surely you aren't saying that both your idiocy and success are on par with each other?

I would be willing to bet that many here, given his unique situations and opportunities, would have done better or at least as good.

That's the funniest thing I've ever seen on this board Red Dawn, thanks!

I'm off to IRC to find the next batch of great political and economical minds that haven't yet discovered this forum

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Of course the big reason is that people hate themselves and feel a bit better knowing an idiot can succeed. It's sort of like giving yourself a vote of approval. Bush is just like me.

Only less of an idiot, and more successful? Or are you arguing the other way around? Surely you aren't saying that both your idiocy and success are on par with each other?

I would be willing to bet that many here, given his unique situations and opportunities, would have done better or at least as good.

That's the funniest thing I've ever seen on this board Red Dawn, thanks!

I'm off to IRC to find the next batch of great political and economical minds that haven't yet discovered this forum

Well they say that idiots are easily amused. I know I am.