why do people like bush?

[cheesewhiz]

i'm not trying to bash, i seriously want to understand where his supporters are coming from.. i just can't think of anything he's done that would make me say "gee, he's not so bad afterall" .. anyone want to contribute in a non-epic-battle sort of way?

 

[nutxo]

He's put together the most racially diverse cabinet in the history of the U.S.

edit: I dont particularly like him, just pointing out a positive. Ive gotten so there are no politicians I like at all.

 

[Zebo]

mainly he comes off as no-nonsense and a man on a mission which appeals to many people after wishy washy "what is is" clinton.

 

[PaperclipGod]

Originally posted by: cheesewhiz
i'm not trying to bash, i seriously want to understand where his supporters are coming from.. i just can't think of anything he's done that would make me say "gee, he's not so bad afterall" .. anyone want to contribute in a non-epic-battle sort of way?

Perhaps you should move your eyes slightly south of the "new topic" button. There, you might find such gems as:

Argh...can someone please help me understand what good Bush has done?

Friendly tip

 

[cheesewhiz]

i saw it after i posted this topic.. but hey, i want them to respond to this one specifically, not the f**king "war." Clinton supported/supports the war, bush is doing it.. I think whoever was elected was going to have to deal with it. Same with sept 11th.

oh, and the main reasons I don't like bush (so we can play point/counterpoint)

- He reverted one of the few good things clinton did, the clean air and waters act.
- His energy plan doesn't do anything except subsidize the second most profitable industry in our country (one that he has deep interests in, as well)
- His medicare plan doesn't do anything except subsidize the most profitable industry in our country
- He signed the patriot act (this is probably the single biggest reason I will not vote for any republican whatsoever in the next election).
- He is being hypocritial with his spending demands.. he said he wants congress to curb spending, but does not veto a single thing that comes his way...
- No child left behind act. 5th Biggest piece of sh*t ever, behind the patriot act, dmca, medicare plan, and energy bill

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: cheesewhiz
i saw it after i posted this topic.. but hey, i want them to respond to this one specifically, not the f**king "war." Clinton supported/supports the war, bush is doing it.. I think whoever was elected was going to have to deal with it. Same with sept 11th.

oh, and the main reasons I don't like bush (so we can play point/counterpoint)

- He reverted one of the few good things clinton did, the clean air and waters act.
- His energy plan doesn't do anything except subsidize the second most profitable industry in our country (one that he has deep interests in, as well)
- His medicare plan doesn't do anything except subsidize the most profitable industry in our country
- He signed the patriot act (this is probably the single biggest reason I will not vote for any republican whatsoever in the next election).
- He is being hypocritial with his spending demands.. he said he wants congress to curb spending, but does not veto a single thing that comes his way...
- No child left behind act. 5th Biggest piece of sh*t ever, behind the patriot act, dmca, medicare plan, and energy bill

You'll find in here that these things makes him the greatest President of all time.

 

[PrinceofWands]

Originally posted by: dmcowen674

Originally posted by: cheesewhiz
i saw it after i posted this topic.. but hey, i want them to respond to this one specifically, not the f**king "war." Clinton supported/supports the war, bush is doing it.. I think whoever was elected was going to have to deal with it. Same with sept 11th.

oh, and the main reasons I don't like bush (so we can play point/counterpoint)

- He reverted one of the few good things clinton did, the clean air and waters act.
- His energy plan doesn't do anything except subsidize the second most profitable industry in our country (one that he has deep interests in, as well)
- His medicare plan doesn't do anything except subsidize the most profitable industry in our country
- He signed the patriot act (this is probably the single biggest reason I will not vote for any republican whatsoever in the next election).
- He is being hypocritial with his spending demands.. he said he wants congress to curb spending, but does not veto a single thing that comes his way...
- No child left behind act. 5th Biggest piece of sh*t ever, behind the patriot act, dmca, medicare plan, and energy bill

You'll find in here that these things makes him the greatest President of all time.

Incomprehensible as it is, you seem to be correct. Though the BAA only make up a portion of the people on this board. The rest of us maintain our vigilence against the man.

 

[CaptnKirk]

People like Bush because he is the Cowboy Folk Hero of the insecure White Male.
Those who follow Rush's sheep-leading pandering.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: cheesewhiz
i saw it after i posted this topic.. but hey, i want them to respond to this one specifically, not the f**king "war." Clinton supported/supports the war, bush is doing it.. I think whoever was elected was going to have to deal with it. Same with sept 11th.

oh, and the main reasons I don't like bush (so we can play point/counterpoint)

- He reverted one of the few good things clinton did, the clean air and waters act.
- His energy plan doesn't do anything except subsidize the second most profitable industry in our country (one that he has deep interests in, as well)
- His medicare plan doesn't do anything except subsidize the most profitable industry in our country
- He signed the patriot act (this is probably the single biggest reason I will not vote for any republican whatsoever in the next election).
- He is being hypocritial with his spending demands.. he said he wants congress to curb spending, but does not veto a single thing that comes his way...
- No child left behind act. 5th Biggest piece of sh*t ever, behind the patriot act, dmca, medicare plan, and energy bill

*Envirnomentalists will always find something to whine and bitch about. Rolling back heavyhanded rules is not "destroying" the environment. Clean Skies Act also "destroys" the enviroment I suppose

*The "Energy Bill" as proposed by the Bush Administration was only $8 billion over 10 years.
*ANY Medicare plan would subsidize Drug makers.
*The much maligned Patriot Act, which I don't like in Full, is not as bad as some people are claiming it is.
*Spending is what Politicians do. I don't like it, but it happens...ALOT. IF you think that by voting for one of the leading "candidates" you are somehow sparing yourself from increased spending you are nuts. I believe they all have some form of UHC that will easily eclipse Bush's spending increases.
*I wonder who wrote wrote that bill Anyone up for a swim?

CkG

 

[CaptnKirk]

Bush, the final frontier.

 

[PaperclipGod]

Originally posted by: cheesewhiz
i saw it after i posted this topic.. but hey, i want them to respond to this one specifically, not the f**king "war." Clinton supported/supports the war, bush is doing it.. I think whoever was elected was going to have to deal with it. Same with sept 11th.

oh, and the main reasons I don't like bush (so we can play point/counterpoint)

- He reverted one of the few good things clinton did, the clean air and waters act.
- His energy plan doesn't do anything except subsidize the second most profitable industry in our country (one that he has deep interests in, as well)
- His medicare plan doesn't do anything except subsidize the most profitable industry in our country
- He signed the patriot act (this is probably the single biggest reason I will not vote for any republican whatsoever in the next election).
- He is being hypocritial with his spending demands.. he said he wants congress to curb spending, but does not veto a single thing that comes his way...
- No child left behind act. 5th Biggest piece of sh*t ever, behind the patriot act, dmca, medicare plan, and energy bill

I guess i'll bite, then...

1. Perhaps... i havent made up my mind yet. While im all for clean air, id prefer a strong economy (and more specifically, a strong powergrid). The costs of some of the EPA compliant hardware prevent many powerplants from upgrading at all, whereas without such stringent requirements, they can continue to increase their output as the powergrid demands it. Of course, we could avoid all this by giving incentives to the construction of nuclear power plants... but liberals say "ooooh, nuclear, bad"... and politicians in general say "not in my backyard." Nuclear power has an unfortunate stigma attached to it.

2. I dont see anything terribly wrong with his energy policy. In fact, its got quite a few suprisingly liberal nuances to it - such as making 1.7bn dollars/year available as subsidies to low-income consumers to help with energy costs. Then there's the tax credit if you buy fuel-efficient (hybrid) cars, for residential solar power, for ethanol.... Although im not terribly happy about the proposed drilling in ANWR, it does have the potential to be somewhat non-invasive. It should only be used as a last resort, although it appears we're getting pretty close to needing a "last resort" - the recent blackouts and the severity of price fluctuations as a result of our dependence on foreign oil makes that pretty apparent.

3. Dont know enough to comment...

4. On the Patriot act, yeah, i'd definitely agree with you there. To a nearly fanatical degree, actually. If given the choice between less privacy/freedom or more frequent terrorism, i'd gladly accept the country that see's more terrorism. Too many americans died to see this country created with its current freedoms and liberties... it defiles thier memory to even slightly erode the principles they died for.

5. Your own statement is a little hypocritical there... A parent should be able to tell his son not to take the car, and know that he wont. He shouldnt have to tell him not to take the car, and then go slash the tires as the kid pulls out of the driveway.

6. Not totally familiar with the NCLB act, but i will say this: I'm very much for the abolishment of the ESL programs. A kid immersed in the language who is forced to learn and understand the language will do so - there's simply no other alternative. It's the most effective method of teaching a language, regardless of the age of the student.

 

[Tab]

He's stupid, so certain people can get along with him much easier.

 

[Mrburns2007]

DMCA was Clinton's baby ?

 

[Shad0hawK]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
People like Bush because he is the Cowboy Folk Hero of the insecure White Male.
Those who follow Rush's sheep-leading pandering.

wow! 2 instances of stereotyping and a racial comment all in the first sentence! i bet your one of those "tolerant" people are'nt you?

 

[DealMonkey]

Why do people like bush?

I'm not sure. Personally I prefer it shaved. Or at least the minimalist mohawk stripey thing. That works too.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

mainly he comes off as no-nonsense and a man on a mission which appeals to many people after wishy washy "what is is" clinton.

I think he comes off as no sense and a man on a mission . . . which is a very dangerous combination. I am no fan of Clinton but at least he was intellectually curious. There's nothing inherently wrong with acting on imperfect information . . . the problem with Bush is that he ascribes certainty based solely on the assessments of others. Bush didn't run for middle manager in chief . . .

 

[Genesys]

i like him cause he does what he feels what is right for the good of the country, even if a number of the country is rather shortsighted and not as privy to information. he acts on moral conviction and has a sound set of values. he also conveys a strong sense of leadership, unlike clinton who conveyed a "yes person" type attitude. it seemed to me that clinton was doing all that he could to try and make everyone happy all the time.

No child left behind act. 5th Biggest piece of sh*t ever, behind the patriot act, dmca, medicare plan, and energy bill

woo woo, go ted kennedy

 

[chess9]

DMC:

Run, DMC, Run!

Bwuahahahaha.

-Robert

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Mrburns2007
DMCA was Clinton's baby ?

He signed it in 1998. It's a lot worse than Nooky under the desk but that is what makes him the worst President of all time according to the AT experts.

 

[chess9]

Paperclipgod:

Uh, are you sure you aren't of at least two minds about every issue?

You like clean air, but...what...to promote commerce you would fill the air with sulpher dioxide?

I'm not sure you've "bitten" on anything.

-Robert

 

[dmcowen674]

Apparently not everyone loves him:

12-1-2003 Is it a coincidence that we have an Oil Company President?

Two articles, both from the NY Times, by coincidence happened to show up one after the other in my aggregator, a stark contrast of how two kinds of Americans live. The first article details the luxurious cruise ship Tom DeLay is bringing to the Republican National Convention in NYC in August, where George Bush will, presumably, be nominated for a second term as President. It's a very beautiful ship, very nice. The second article is the daily report of US soldiers killed in Iraq. Yesterday only one soldier died, David Goldberg, 20, an engineer in the Army reserve, based in Layton, Utah. Needless to say he won't be going to the Republican National Convention or riding on any cruise ships.

And by the way, do you think it was a coincidence that Bush showed up in Baghdad just hours before Hillary Clinton? Perhaps the Republicans got wind of her trip and decided to upstage her? Can you imagine the giggles in the Oval Office. How unseemly, given that Americans are dying every day in Iraq. I don't think these guys get it. And remind me please, why Iraq, of all countries? Why not China or Burma or East Timor? Or South Africa, Liberia, Ghana or Namibia? The Ukraine or Georgia? What about Argentina? Venezuela? Mexico? Pakistan and India. Is Iraq the only country that needed our help? Couldn't our billions have done more good elsewhere? Did so many Americans have to die? Is it a coincidence that we have an Oil Company President? I'm sorry. This sh1t is keeping me up at night. Forget about stupid, they must think we're total complete morons to fall for this bullsh1t. One more thing, how are we going to get out? I can only think of one way, elect a Democrat who makes an explicit pledge to do exactly that. The Democrats are pretty gutless. Al Sharpton puts it well. By fighting for the center the Democrats have lost Congress, the Senate, the White House and the Supreme Court. Maybe it would be a good time to actually stand for something? Just a thought.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Why do people like bush?

I'm not sure. Personally I prefer it shaved. Or at least the minimalist mohawk stripey thing. That works too.

I prefer to call it "the landing strip". Some application of the razor is a necessity.

 

[CaptnKirk]

You know Sh'Hawk - I don't see where any of the following words qualify as either a stereotpye or a racial slur.

Cowboy
Folk Hero
Insecure White Male

Must be a perception thing.

Do you really believe that millions of 'Minorities' are lining up to take your jub & Money ?
Thats what a big element of the GOP in the South is preaching (Trent Lott for example)

 

[kandarp]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Why do people like bush?

I'm not sure. Personally I prefer it shaved. Or at least the minimalist mohawk stripey thing. That works too.

I prefer to call it "the landing strip". Some application of the razor is a necessity.

nah wood floor for me...i want to hear the squeaking

 

[kandarp]

Originally posted by: alchemize

Originally posted by: DealMonkey

Why do people like bush?

I'm not sure. Personally I prefer it shaved. Or at least the minimalist mohawk stripey thing. That works too.

I prefer to call it "the landing strip". Some application of the razor is a necessity.

nah wood floor for me...i want to hear the squeaking