why do people hate win98 so much? win2k and linux suck so much more

[HansXP]

<< hahaha this is an example of an imcompetent user. i have 320 mb of memory and dotn ahve this problem. this guy is obviously an idiot or running some pretty lame third party applications >>



No, this is quite common. Apps in 98 don't get &quot;cleaned up&quot; after like they do in 2K. Memory leaks translate to lost memory in a short period of time.



<< nowhere near as capable???? well with the lack of dos support and w/ less hardware support i think you have things backwards buddy >>



Anyone who needs DOS support these days needs to have his head checked. As for hardware support, that's up to the manufacturer of the hardware. They're the one to blame...my suggestion would be to get better-quality hardware.

 

[konichiwa]

josephstalinator

Riiight. Maybe you should do a little research or at least know what you're talking about before you spurt out things you have no clue about?

<< hahaha this is an example of an imcompetent user. i have 320 mb of memory and dotn ahve this problem. this guy is obviously an idiot or running some pretty lame third party applications >>

Nope, sorry, Windows98 is terrible at managing memory.

<< nowhere near as capable???? well with the lack of dos support and w/ less hardware support i think you have things backwards buddy >>

1) if you need DOS support, stick with MS Dos 6.22
2) The hardware support is not Microsoft's problem, it is the vendor's problem.

 

[Workin']

<< If only we could see the PC industry had Microsoft not entered the business? To be honest, I think we'd see a lot more free, open source software that's constantly developed (like Linux and 90% of the software that runs on it) >>

You are dreaming!

<< It really depends on what you use your desktop to do. If you want to use email and need easy little gui's or browse the net with IE, or use a word processor other than emacs (or was that an operating system?) windows is fine. If you want to network, use an easy email client (pine, mutt), learn to program, prefer power over looks, unix-like systems are perfect. I run OpenBSD as my desktop. People want to send me an office doc (since I havent loaded staroffice) I tell them I cannot read the file. If they CANNOT send it to me in another format (text is wonderfule for me) they are not worth it. >>

OMFG, you are an idiot! And totally, totally, of the wall crazy. You should come out into the real world sometime. Not everyone is a computer guru, and that's what you need to be to have any hope of successfully running linux as a desktop OS. And 99% of the general population is not that!

 

[josphstalinator]

god you people are incompetent




Nope, sorry, Windows98 is terrible at managing memory.

its sooooo bad that i never have a problem w/ it. THAT is how bad it is.





2) The hardware support is not Microsoft's problem, it is the vendor's problem.

absolutely not. if vendors arent making drivers for MS products then it very much is an MS problem. more divers are available for 98 than 2k, thats fact.






Anyone who needs DOS support these days needs to have his head checked

so anybody that wants to use partition magic 5.0 needs his head checked?? i think not.

...my suggestion would be to get better-quality hardware.

or run an os that supports the hardware you already have! quite a concept, no?

 

[HansXP]

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<< Nope, sorry, Windows98 is terrible at managing memory. >>


its sooooo bad that i never have a problem w/ it. THAT is how bad it is. >>



Really? Well most people have. Have you tried using anything other than Notepad?







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<< The hardware support is not Microsoft's problem, it is the vendor's problem. >>



absolutely not. if vendors arent making drivers for MS products then it very much is an MS problem. >>



No, it isn't. Microsoft tries its best to have drivers for the most common hardware, but they can't have every driver for every single piece of hardware-it would be IMPOSSIBLE.



<< more divers are available for 98 than 2k, thats fact. >>



If hardware manufacturers did it right, they could write one driver for 98 and 2K. Most do - obviously your POS hardware manufacturers are too cheap to do this.



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<< Anyone who needs DOS support these days needs to have his head checked >>



so anybody that wants to use partition magic 5.0 needs his head checked?? i think not. >>



Sorry, but you've obviously never actually used the product. PM works fine under Win2K.




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<< ...my suggestion would be to get better-quality hardware. >>



or run an os that supports the hardware you already have! quite a concept, no? >>



I have no problem with you using 98. However, creating a thread saying it's better than 2K really pisses me off

:|

 

[ToBeMe]

<< you have things backwards buddy >>



Oh, I'm sorry......if you can't figure out how to get around that by now.....well.....besides &quot;buddy&quot; whatcha' gonna' do before long without DOS support at all? You're just a lost, sad person whom needs some good guidance! LOL!



<< god you people are incompetent >>



Not EVEN gonna' go here......boy, if you're to lazy to know or find out, forget it like I said first! I suppose all the people around here that run 2K and love it, can do everything they want with it, and know that it manages ram better and is much more stable are all wrong......and you are right?????????

Yeah.....OK......sure little buddy! ROFLMAO!

 

[konichiwa]

<< its sooooo bad that i never have a problem w/ it. THAT is how bad it is. >>

Gosh, you're right. I've never really thought about it before, but screw what the facts say, if YOU've never had a problem, the problem must not exist!

<< absolutely not. if vendors arent making drivers for MS products then it very much is an MS problem. more divers are available for 98 than 2k, thats fact >>

&quot;if vendors aren't making drivers for ms products then it very much is an ms problem&quot; -- that makes NO sense whatsoever. Think about that again.

&quot;more divers are available for 98 than 2k, thats fact&quot; -- again, thank you, but that has no relevance to the discussion. No one is refuting the fact that there are more drivers for 98 than 2k.

 

[lucidguy]

<< besides &quot;buddy&quot; whatcha' gonna' do before long without DOS support at all? >>



I don't understand the point you're trying to make. DOS support is not going anywhere. MS-DOS 6.22 still has DOS support. All Win9x OS'es still have DOS support. OpenDOS, which is free for individual and noncommercial use, has DOS support. The GNU GPL'ed FreeDOS has DOS support. The GNU GPL'ed DOSEmu, which comes with pretty much every major Linux distro in existence, has DOS support. DOS support is very much alive and healthy, and is actually quite relevant in embedded systems development, an area that is receiving more cash infusion these days than any other area of hardware research.

Sure, Microsoft's latest OS might not have DOS support. But we're not sheep who always upgrade to the latest version of whatever Microsoft just made, just because they made it.

Are we?

Are you?

 

[ToBeMe]

Lucidguy;

Um yeah, I do! I also have nearly every Linux distro new when they come out. What's your major problem with that????? I own and operate my own business and service Co. and carry about everything I can get my hands on in my business, then ussually take it home and try it out. Is that a problem for you?

Yeah, Linux has DOS support.....but, if you'd take the time to read and think before you blindly post, you'd see or remember that this guy seems not to want Linux either! Windows won't have it in the future builds so, I believe my message, as posted, was very much correct as it pertains!

 

[josphstalinator]

Sorry, but you've obviously never actually used the product. PM works fine under Win2K

you have to use a boot disk to get it to work, at least thats how it is in 5.0. version 5.0 asks you to restart in dos mode





Gosh, you're right. I've never really thought about it before, but screw what the facts say, if YOU've never had a problem, the problem must not exist!

im sure it exists to a certain extent. im also sure that the problem is exagerated by a factor of 100 by peolpe that dont know what the hell they are doing.






and know that it manages ram better and is much more stable are all wrong......and you are right?

i never said it didnt do those things better. but i did say that win98 does those things damn well. my problem w/ win2k is it has worse driver support than win98, and no dos mode








&quot;if vendors aren't making drivers for ms products then it very much is an ms problem&quot; -- that makes NO sense whatsoever. Think about that again.

so if microsoft releases an os and vendors dont update their drivers then you dont think MS has a problem on their hands??!!








besides &quot;buddy&quot; whatcha' gonna' do before long without DOS support at all?

this makes no sense. i run win98, thus i have does support. how will this ever change w/ time?









I have no problem with you using 98. However, creating a thread saying it's better than 2K really pisses me off

im terribly sorry that you cant run win98 w/out it crashing every 5 minutes. you must not be very intelligent








No, it isn't. Microsoft tries its best to have drivers for the most common hardware, but they can't have every driver for every single piece of hardware-it would be IMPOSSIBLE.

so? still doesnt change the fact that there's better driver support for 98 than 2k










Really? Well most people have. Have you tried using anything other than Notepad?

i use wordpad, thank you very much









If hardware manufacturers did it right, they could write one driver for 98 and 2K. Most do - obviously your POS hardware manufacturers are too cheap to do this

so? still doesnt change the fact that there's better driver support for 98 than 2k

 

[lucidguy]

<< Yeah, Linux has DOS support.....but, if you'd take the time to read and think before you blindly post, you'd see or remember that this guy seems not to want Linux either! >>



Smart people do not want &quot;products&quot;. Smart people want &quot;solutions&quot;.

This is to say, someone doesn't go out wanting a Microsoft OS. Rather, someone goes out, for example, wanting a usable desktop OS with DOS support. That's a specification in search of a solution.

Now, clearly, Win9x is one possible solution to this need. Another solution is Linux, particularly user-oriented distros like Mandrake. WinXP is NOT a solution because Microsoft in its infinite wisdom has decided to drop DOS support. That was their decision, and they will have to live with the consequences of that decision when people refuse to give up Win9x, or people migrate to Linux instead of WinXP.

You have to stop thinking in terms of products and start thinking in terms of solutions if you want to run a successful business, or if you even want to have a satisfying computing experience. In the world of information technology, brand loyalty gets you a big fat nothing because everything changes so fast.

 

[MJT2k]

Can you say CONSUMER and BUSINESS?

Last time I checked, Windows 2000 was a Business oriented (sp??) OS and Windows 98/se was a Consumer oriented (sp??) OS.

Please correct me if I am wrong, but won't the Consumer OS have better driver support.

 

[HansXP]

<< Now, clearly, Win9x is one possible solution to this need. Another solution is Linux, particularly user-oriented distros like Mandrake. WinXP is NOT a solution because Microsoft in its infinite wisdom has decided to drop DOS support. That was their decision, and they will have to live with the consequences of that decision when people refuse to give up Win9x, or people migrate to Linux instead of WinXP. >>



You keep whining about how unstable Windows is - part of the reason it's like this is because DOS is still around. By going to a kernel that isn't based on DOS you increase stability infinitely.

And, Sorry to break it to you, but XP has better DOS support than earlier versions of NT. Why would MS put that support in there if it wanted to force people to use Windows-based products?

 

[Shadow07]

Josphstalinator: To say the Microsoft is the one at fault for the lack of driver support is a total lie and an ignorant statement at the least. If the hardware vendor wants the driver to be Microsoft certified, it has to pass certain tests. If a hardware vendor wants a drive for Windows 2000, they can create one. However, it will not be certified by Microsoft unless the vendor sends it Microsoft.

And to say that Windows 98 will not crash with 320MB of RAM is about a true as pigs flying by themselves. Windows 9x/ME does not have the same Memory manager as Windows 2000/NT 4/XP does. The NT memory manager is much more superior than that of 9x code.

But, I don't go sputting my mouth off like a little f'in 14 year old kid who claims that he is God and that everyone else is incompetent. Damn, you're just like a littler version of LucidGuy. BTW, by using LucidGuy's f'ed up logic, that would make you my bitch also. Just spouting off like you have!!

&quot;Yes, and it counts!&quot; (insert Marv Albert's voice here)

 

[lucidguy]

<< You keep whining about how unstable Windows is - part of the reason it's like this is because DOS is still around. By going to a kernel that isn't based on DOS you increase stability infinitely. >>



Linux has DOS support using DOSEmu, and it's even more stable than Win2k, and the DOS support is absolutely stellar. So clearly, it is possible to offer DOS support and a stable kernel at the same time.

That Microsoft can't is due to their ineptitude, not due to some fundamental law of computing.

 

[HansXP]

Hate to tell you LucidGuy, but that's exactly what MS is doing with XP. DOS support is separate from the kernel now. So who has their head up their ass? Oh, that would be you.

 

[ST4RCUTTER]

Man, is it hot in here or is it just me?

:Q:disgust:

 

[KBrinks]

man.. i never two two o/s from teh same company devide so many people...

win2k must be great or they (microsoft) wouldn't have back it up so much... it's for people who do stuff that win98 doesn't suport.. major networking n such...

i use winME (waits for stones to be thrown)
yet i to never get BSOD's..

i wouldnt' mind having win2k... it seems pretty cool... i wouldn't use half the stuff that's on it.. but i just like some of hte options winME doenst have.. and who else thinks that fade in menu effect is cool as hell haha

 

[stratusfear]

omg... hans and lucid officialy have no life! :Q

 

[ToBeMe]

FlacidGuy;

Why do you keep spouting your mindless drivel and avoid direct questions posed to you concerning your remarks? It's abundantly clear you are merely spouting your mantra and have little actual working knowledge of either O/S being discussed here!
There is no need for your contempt of Windows based OS's as whether you care to admit, or like it, many more people choose Windows than Linux and there are still viable reasons for that! I personally use both and know the weaknesses and advantages of both. It's people such as yourself that actually do Linux more harm than good! Take the time to actually learn more about the OS you seem so attached to so that you yourself do not come across as the mindless shill you denounce so adimately!

BTW......The Heading IS just a j/k to garner your attention! I garner no ill will against you, only your &quot;zealot&quot; attitude!

 

[josphstalinator]

Josphstalinator: To say the Microsoft is the one at fault for the lack of driver support]

i never said it was their fault, but it sure as hell is a problem that they have to deal w/







And to say that Windows 98 will not crash with 320MB of RAM

so what ive experience is some kind of anomoly, right? uh...yeah....







you, sir, are living proof that idiots out number smart people 50:1









&quot;HA HA&quot; (insert Nelson voie from the simpsons)

 

[HansXP]

Congrats, Joesph, you were just named Anandtech's newest troll!



<< i never said it was their fault, but it sure as hell is a problem that they have to deal w/ >>



Okay, so now you admit its not their problem...but you still feel the need to bitch. Very mature.



<< so what ive experience is some kind of anomoly, right? uh...yeah.... >>



Yep, the amount of RAM you have won't affect whether an OS crashes.

 

[mjh0o]

Ok guys if it wasnt for MS most of us wouldnt be on this board tonight correct.Please dont flame me i said MOST not all maybe lucidguy is on a linux intel machine or something.Yes i have used windows 2000 since its release with no problems thats just me
what can i say im hooked on MS everone else is using it lol
I felt alone using linux i have a linux machine in the closet because lack of support from other software,hardware companies just dont support linux otherwise i would use it.But i do have to say it's very stable just my .01

 

[lucidguy]

<< Ok guys if it wasnt for MS most of us wouldnt be on this board tonight correct >>



Actually, if MS never existed, all of us and more would be on this board tonight, using a maddening variety of operating systems, all with their 100% W3C compliant, 100% HTML compatible open source browsers. We would be using Linux distros, BSD distros, OS/2, QNX, BeOS, and God knows which other OS'es from which other companies that Microsoft drove to bankruptcy using illegal monopolistic tactics.

 

[bonkers325]

<< what does BSOD mean anyway?

pete >>



blue screen of death
after i installed win2k none of these

unless some hardware probs
overheat
or game prob

but normal use never and i say never