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why do people hate france?

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I was not meaning to say they are a Superpower themselves but French military is not a POS joke like Iraq was or some 3rd world country. Yes it is smaller then USA and is smaller in quite a few ways (I didn't need statistics to show me France is not as great as the US all I need is a map duh)
And to me having a great music scene is important since I work in nightclubs and wind up going out a lot.
The prop fell off the ship wow US navy ships are stuck dead in the water becasue navigation systems use crappy microshaft products and blue screen.
I assume this has been fixed since in both class vessels. I wasen't trying to start a pissing contest of Aircraft Carriers yes we have more I was pointing out the fact that a fully nuclear carrier is a wonder for any country to build. France does deserve props for having one (no pun intended).
France did fight very hard in the past few centuries calling them surrender monkeys is pretty lame if you think about the masses and masses that died in ww1 alone holding off an onslaught of Germans and Gas. Where were we in ww2 a almost a year after the war had started helping them hold the blitzkreig off saving millions of innocents in Europe protecting Democracy? Oh yeah profiting off selling electronics for nazi tanks etc. typical.
Some friend we are.
 
For nationbuilding yes,
Their empire has declined after they learned imperialism doesn't work the hard way.
Another case of US catching on late to what the europeans were doing ages ago.
Well, US is good for one thing taking anything good from europe dumbing it down and profiting. maybe that good old capitolism will make the enslavment of the mideast even more profitable then ever. Whee what a great time to live in America.
 
Originally posted by: steeplerot
For nationbuilding yes,
Their empire has declined after they learned imperialism doesn't work the hard way.
Another case of US catching on late to what the europeans were doing ages ago.
Well, US is good for one thing taking anything good from europe dumbing it down and profiting. maybe that good old capitolism will make the enslavment of the mideast even more profitable then ever. Whee what a great time to live in America.
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Did france ever have an empire?
And when did we become one?
 
Originally posted by: steeplerot
Their empire has declined after they learned imperialism doesn't work the hard way.
Another case of US catching on late to what the europeans were doing ages ago.
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I don't think that the US will ever do what Europe did in the past. Europe was a monster, plain and simple. They were extremely barbaric, ruthless, and had almost no regard for any human life that didn't look like themselves.
 
the only French people I hate are the ones who hate on Americans just because of our politicians. I was "friends" with this one French girl during my senior year of college (same year as the start of the second Iraqi war). it was like she personally held me responsible for what Bush was doing... she was constantly on the offensive, putting me on the defensive.

but I come from a pretty French family (mom's maiden name is La Croix, and my dad's family can be traced back to the original Quebec settlers). I have nothing but respect and admiration for French culture and the people as a whole.
 
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Why can't Americans hate France anyways? Much of the world hates the US government. Are Americans not allowed to dislike anyone?
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sure they are ... there is the president, the veep, the secretary of state, the secretary of defence, etcetc... take your pick!
 
Originally posted by: DeeKnow
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose

Why can't Americans hate France anyways? Much of the world hates the US government. Are Americans not allowed to dislike anyone?
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sure they are ... there is the president, the veep, the secretary of state, the secretary of defence, etcetc... take your pick!
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OK, then are Americans not allowed to dislike any other country's government? 😉
 
France was America's ally 200 years ago, today its on the side of America's enemies. France consistently votes against the US on a lot of things in the UN and always tries to be a big hurdle for America.

Most French people hate America with such a passion its disgusting.

The French people and politicians still believe they are strong and important part of the world, well that was centuries ago, France today is a weak, aging and wussy country.
 
Originally posted by: RabidMongoose
Originally posted by: steeplerot
Their empire has declined after they learned imperialism doesn't work the hard way.
Another case of US catching on late to what the europeans were doing ages ago.
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I don't think that the US will ever do what Europe did in the past. Europe was a monster, plain and simple. They were extremely barbaric, ruthless, and had almost no regard for any human life that didn't look like themselves.
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one word: indians.

anyways, do not see it that polarised, france was against the iraq war because there was no real reason, the public opinion was massively against it and not doing anything against it would have been political suicide (which aznar and blair committed anyways, and paid the price for)

when millions of people come onto the streets to protest another country going to war you would know better than to ignore those people.

and as stated earlier, france and europe has supported the US earlier.

you guys really need to grow a memory that's a bit longer than a mere 4 or 5 years.
 
Originally posted by: boran


one word: indians.
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hey waddya mean Indians..?? 🙂

I'm Indian. Those folks you talk about are 'American Indians' or 'ethnic Americans' or 'Red Indians'.
Real 'Indians' come from India.....

but jokes aside, that about answers the question of barbaric behavior
 
They are a huge PITA to work with since they refuse to speak English, and IMO are generally pretty lazy(well the ones in IT anyway).
Of course I'm basing this solely on my experiences with IT staff at a bunch of French banks and communication companies.

French people in general are nice so long as you can communicate with them(that is, they don't refuse to speak English).

hokiezilla
Your figures are off for both the US and Europe, by quite a bit for Europe.
 
Originally posted by: MrGrim257
Just look at France to see what the liberals want the U.S. to become. Almost 3/4 of the french population is hard core liberal or green. They have ~10% unemployment (higher than Iraq I believe), no significant military capabilities, and their economy is buckling under the weight of their state entitlement programs. Since the European birth rate is slowing down, just wait and see what the "liberal paradise" looks like in a few decades when each retiree is riding on the backs of only 2 taxpayers.
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I'll buy that when you admit that North Korea is what conservatives want America to become. It's the same rediculous concept.
 
The world doesn't work very well when no one takes the time to criticize the ideas of anyone else. Yes, the American and French governments disagree fundamentally on a lot of issues, and it makes action in the UN more difficult to achieve. No, it isn't always the French blocking the Americans - why don't you look up the number of American vetoes in the UN in the past?

The American government (at least the current one, it seems that past governments understood htis more easily) and some (but certainly not all) of the American people need to learn that just because someone disagrees with you doesn't mean they are not your friend. They may be right or wrong, but generally if they disagree, it has more to do with perceived flaws in your thinking, and a final goal of reaching a true consensus than anything else.

There is a lot of bitterness WRT France and the past 50-100 years, in terms of a perceived unwillingness to fight, increased acceptance of socialism, etc. To be fair, WWII was 60 years ago, and the people in power in France then are certainly not there now. Furthermore, the French made a decision at that time which they thought would be best for all concerned (anyone remember 'peace in our time'? ANd no, that is not a jab at the United States, that was Chamberlain in Britain). In retrospect, the decision of the French was probably a mistake. We all make mistakes. When France surrendered to Germany, the United States was maintaining a policy of 'this is a European war' and was not involved in any conflict at all. America's actions during the early part of WWII were not those of a world-aware ally, anymore than the actions of France.

I'm not bitter about the American decision to stay away from WWII, even though I believe it was a mistake, nor am I bitter about France standing against the USA on a regular basis at the UN, even though sometimes that is a mistake as well. The world is not a simple place, and the people of France are no more homogenous than the people of America, so before you make rash generalizations, why not consider the broad range of American opinions on this board, and understand that the range of opinions in France is just as broad. You may disagree with the government, but it doesn't mean you actually hate the people.
 
nothing to do with ww2 (?), continental arrogance, wine, cultural differences, etc.

i base it entirely on their failure to support the campaign against saddam and his ba'athists
for no better reason than to keep their profits coming. france virtually monopolized overseas
control of iraq's oil industry during the 1990s and they were worried about the loss of those
contracts in the event saddam's regime were to be cruelly removed.

a detailed reasoning, with chronolgy, u.n. maneuvering and stonewalling, gross profiteering
and all can be found in kenneth timmerman's book 'the french betrayal of america'

here is an interview he did for national reviewnro link

another interview he did for the hoover institute. hoover link
 
Originally posted by: syzygy
nothing to do with ww2 (?), continental arrogance, wine, cultural differences, etc.

i base it entirely on their failure to support the campaign against saddam and his ba'athists
for no better reason than to keep their profits coming. france virtually monopolized overseas
control of iraq's oil industry during the 1990s and they were worried about the loss of those
contracts in the event saddam's regime were to be cruelly removed.

a detailed reasoning, with chronolgy, u.n. maneuvering and stonewalling, gross profiteering
and all can be found in kenneth timmerman's book 'the french betrayal of america'

here is an interview he did for national reviewnro link

another interview he did for the hoover institute. hoover link
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Yup, the French are evil people and couldn't possibly have any principles like we do. We are good and they are bad. It's all so simple.
 
Originally posted by: MrGrim257
Just look at France to see what the liberals want the U.S. to become. Almost 3/4 of the french population is hard core liberal or green. They have ~10% unemployment (higher than Iraq I believe), no significant military capabilities, and their economy is buckling under the weight of their state entitlement programs. Since the European birth rate is slowing down, just wait and see what the "liberal paradise" looks like in a few decades when each retiree is riding on the backs of only 2 taxpayers.
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this is a great response, I also agree with the statement by Michael of how the French simply abhor Americans and have for a while, how many negative stories have you all heard of people traveling to France only to be treated like crap, and many of these were long before the war...
 
Originally posted by: syzygy
nothing to do with ww2 (?), continental arrogance, wine, cultural differences, etc.

i base it entirely on their failure to support the campaign against saddam and his ba'athists
for no better reason than to keep their profits coming.
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It is very interesting that you should say this, as much of the world is concerned that America's interest in Iraq has more to do with oil than with terrorism, or with liberating anyone.

If you do some research you will find that anti-French sentiment runs deep in Western history - not only did it not begin with Iraq, it didn't begin with WWII either. However "I'd rather have german tanks in front of me than french ones backing me" is a 'classic' and from a Brit, not an American.

That being said, there has been renewed hostility between the French and other governments over Iraq; the difference is that this time much of the world is on the same side of the debate as is France.

I think it's important that we recognize world history extends farther back than only 3-5 years, even if this is the period that is freshest in our minds.
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bozak - To be clear, I have a great time when I go to France and have always been treated well there. My wife, who doesn't speak French, went a head on our last vacation there and spent a week with zero bad experiences.

The "ruling class" in France is more the problem in terms of anti-Americanism than the entire French people. I've actually found them to be fairly nice, but I find the same across the world. French politics, business and art/media is very dominated by a specific group that went to certain schools.

I strongly dislike that group and their actions. They're the ones who write the hate-filled newspaper articles and are part of the movement to make France and Germany world powers through the EU.

France and the French themselves I actually like.

Michael
 
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