Why do people hate 1&1?

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
From the prices I've seen in ads, I can tell you right off the bat they oversell their space. Test out there customer service, see how fast they respond. Ask them what their policy is on installing modules (PHP and whatnot).

If I were you, I wouldn't go with them based solely off the price, but I don't have experience with them.

Prices? I pay $2.99 a month for 10gb of webspace. My friend pays $4.99 a month for 100gb of webspace. He is using over 75gb and I am using 8gb. Please know what you are talking about before you talk.

Know what the fuck you are talking about before you post.

Low low prices (2.99) is a big indicator they oversell their web space.

Nice try. I have recommended well over 50 people to sign up at 1and1, with the vast majority of them following through. Not a single person has run into a problem yet. Edit: and several of them use >90% of their space.

If you know enough about computers you wouldn't recommend Dell and HP PCs. You would build your own even if you wanted a budget system.

Similarly, you wouldn't go with crap hosts like 1&1. Get a real host. Dreamhost at least. They might oversell on the surface but they're large enough I can see how they afford to do so.

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
From the prices I've seen in ads, I can tell you right off the bat they oversell their space. Test out there customer service, see how fast they respond. Ask them what their policy is on installing modules (PHP and whatnot).

If I were you, I wouldn't go with them based solely off the price, but I don't have experience with them.

Prices? I pay $2.99 a month for 10gb of webspace. My friend pays $4.99 a month for 100gb of webspace. He is using over 75gb and I am using 8gb. Please know what you are talking about before you talk.

Know what the fuck you are talking about before you post.

Low low prices (2.99) is a big indicator they oversell their web space.

Nice try. I have recommended well over 50 people to sign up at 1and1, with the vast majority of them following through. Not a single person has run into a problem yet. Edit: and several of them use >90% of their space.

still a low #, they have thousands of subscribers, it's common sense that if even 25% of them were using 90%+ of their space and bandwidth 1and1 would change the plans, or the policy. And this isn't a knock against 1and1, no hosting firm can offer those kinds of plans at those LOW prices. Bandwidth isn't cheap for providers when you factor in how many clients they have. If 10% use max bandwidth or close, no problem as they have a cushion. But if 90% use close to the max, they will have a problem.

 

[RossMAN]

Originally posted by: benjpw

Originally posted by: RossMAN
There are better web hosts, what's your budget?

Anything really. Cheap is good but I would be willing to pay up to 50-60 a month (but only if I could host a game server as well as a website or two).

Forget about the game server let's concentrate on quality web hosting at affordable rates.

So for web hosting only, what's your realistic budget? How much are you comfortable spending without hesitation?

 

[QueBert]

Originally posted by: DLeRium

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
From the prices I've seen in ads, I can tell you right off the bat they oversell their space. Test out there customer service, see how fast they respond. Ask them what their policy is on installing modules (PHP and whatnot).

If I were you, I wouldn't go with them based solely off the price, but I don't have experience with them.

Prices? I pay $2.99 a month for 10gb of webspace. My friend pays $4.99 a month for 100gb of webspace. He is using over 75gb and I am using 8gb. Please know what you are talking about before you talk.

Know what the fuck you are talking about before you post.

Low low prices (2.99) is a big indicator they oversell their web space.

Nice try. I have recommended well over 50 people to sign up at 1and1, with the vast majority of them following through. Not a single person has run into a problem yet. Edit: and several of them use >90% of their space.

If you know enough about computers you wouldn't recommend Dell and HP PCs. You would build your own even if you wanted a budget system.

Similarly, you wouldn't go with crap hosts like 1&1. Get a real host. Dreamhost at least. They might oversell on the surface but they're large enough I can see how they afford to do so.

I dunno my neighbor got an entry level Dell for 400 bucks, 1 gig memory, 19" LCD, 400 gig HD, copy of Vista, DVD burner, and other sh!t. I priced everything and it would have cost me at least $150 more to build basically the same system. I recommend building your own (if you know about PC's) for gaming systems or higher end office systems. But when Dell or HP can offer a complete system for $300 how can you compete with that? Especially if all you want/need is a basic box to fart around on. 1and1 is good for basic hosting, I believe they are actually bigger then Dreamhost, but they oversell like hell so I don't know how good they really are...

 

[Acanthus]

When i was using 1&1 it was down a lot, and the service was terrible.

 

[benjpw]

Originally posted by: RossMAN

Originally posted by: benjpw

Originally posted by: RossMAN
There are better web hosts, what's your budget?

Anything really. Cheap is good but I would be willing to pay up to 50-60 a month (but only if I could host a game server as well as a website or two).

Forget about the game server let's concentrate on quality web hosting at affordable rates.

So for web hosting only, what's your realistic budget? How much are you comfortable spending without hesitation?

We'll the thing is I am making a website and I will have outside funding to pay for it. So I can't really give a budget. but lets say 30 since I will be paying for this out of pocket at first.

 

[pstylesss]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
From the prices I've seen in ads, I can tell you right off the bat they oversell their space. Test out there customer service, see how fast they respond. Ask them what their policy is on installing modules (PHP and whatnot).

If I were you, I wouldn't go with them based solely off the price, but I don't have experience with them.

Prices? I pay $2.99 a month for 10gb of webspace. My friend pays $4.99 a month for 100gb of webspace. He is using over 75gb and I am using 8gb. Please know what you are talking about before you talk.

Know what the fuck you are talking about before you post.

Low low prices (2.99) is a big indicator they oversell their web space.

Nice try. I have recommended well over 50 people to sign up at 1and1, with the vast majority of them following through. Not a single person has run into a problem yet. Edit: and several of them use >90% of their space.

I would have to say I don't believe you. If you need anything of any value from your host, you probably won't get it.

And they are able to oversell their space because many people use less than 90% of their space... but that doesn't mean that all those accounts are using up more resources. That doesn't mean they have enough staff to cover that many accounts, among many other things.

 

[josh0099]

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I wouldn't go near them

 

[TuxDave]

Originally posted by: George P Burdell

Originally posted by: TuxDave
What's 1&1? At my work 1&1 means a meeting between two people (usually a manager and a worker) to go over progress/issues/whatever.

Isn't that one on one?

We're an engineering company and lack proper English. I heard it 1 and 1, 1 on 1, and even 1:1 (which to me is like 1 to 1).

 

[esun]

1&1 is fine if you never intend to leave. It's leaving their hosting that's a pain in the neck (at least it was for me). Tell me, do you own a fax machine? If so, go ahead, join up. If not, you'll have to drive to the local copy shop, pay $5 to fax something (or some similarly ludicrous amount) just to get your account canceled. No, there is no other way (unless this policy has changed within the past year or so).

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
From the prices I've seen in ads, I can tell you right off the bat they oversell their space. Test out there customer service, see how fast they respond. Ask them what their policy is on installing modules (PHP and whatnot).

If I were you, I wouldn't go with them based solely off the price, but I don't have experience with them.

Prices? I pay $2.99 a month for 10gb of webspace. My friend pays $4.99 a month for 100gb of webspace. He is using over 75gb and I am using 8gb. Please know what you are talking about before you talk.

Where are you getting this kind of pricing and are able to use so much disk space?

Just to give you an idea, I'll explain the backup process for my clients and an example with total disk space.

Usage: 3GB
Nightly backup: 3GB
Weekly backup: 3GB
Monthly backup: 3GB

Right away, we're at 4 times the disk space usage. If you factor in Raid 1/10/etc. configurations, you're looking at another 3GB of physical usage (no change in virtual space). The nightly and weekly ones have offserver *and* onserver backups, which means you can double both of those, so an extra 6GB.

Looking at how I back things up, you're up to 18GB in total usage for just a 3GB site. (If someone wants to talk, this many backups has many reasons, I didn't just come up with a plan to use tons of disk space for backups with no purpose)

Basically, if your friend's site has even 1 backup, let alone 3 copies, his host is keeping 150GB of disk space for him.

He's either somehow slipped by their radar, or he's lying. There's just no way someone can offer a plan and allow using 75GB of disk space for the price of a pound of peanuts.

Regarding 1&1 - give it a try and look at the service you get. If it works for you, great,they provided a service and you paid a fee, and both sides are happy.

 

[AgaBoogaBoo]

Originally posted by: benjpw

Originally posted by: RossMAN
Forget about the game server let's concentrate on quality web hosting at affordable rates.

So for web hosting only, what's your realistic budget? How much are you comfortable spending without hesitation?

We'll the thing is I am making a website and I will have outside funding to pay for it. So I can't really give a budget. but lets say 30 since I will be paying for this out of pocket at first.

If you're going to have outside funding, find a proper provider, pick a plan that costs $10/month or whatever, and go with them. Don't waste your time with 1&1 and similar companies, they want to sell tons of accounts even if it does not meet the needs of the users because most of them don't care to fight and argue about what they received, even if the service does not meet its intended purpose, fraud.

In short, I wouldn't touch 1&1 with a 10 foot pole. I rarely talk about not choosing a certain host, but I've met the business owners of basically any hosting company smaller than 1&1 and godaddy, and would recommend *anyone* over these guys, it's the worst of the worst.

 

[Spineshank]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
From the prices I've seen in ads, I can tell you right off the bat they oversell their space. Test out there customer service, see how fast they respond. Ask them what their policy is on installing modules (PHP and whatnot).

If I were you, I wouldn't go with them based solely off the price, but I don't have experience with them.

Prices? I pay $2.99 a month for 10gb of webspace. My friend pays $4.99 a month for 100gb of webspace. He is using over 75gb and I am using 8gb. Please know what you are talking about before you talk.

I believe oversell and overprice are different things.

 

[Spineshank]

The service is terrible. They wiped out my page one day for no reason. Just one day all of a sudden i cant login and my site is completely gone. No response as to why from CS. Just got the run around. Then they charged me another 6 months before they finally got the hint and canceled after i called like 3 times a week.

 

[fooshkee]

i've had good experiences with www.hostmysite.net

they aren't as cheap as many, but they're 100% legit and offer great customer service.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: George P Burdell
WHT

which won't help you a single bit because everyone hates every web host there. they won't even tell you what webhost they use.

i use site5 and and haven't had any issues yet. their support is fast and helpful, but they get poor reviews for some reason.

probably the same reason people here hate UPS, FEDEX, DHL, etc. they have one problem with them and come and rant about it and think its the end of the world because they're so self-centered, meanwhile, other people like myself have never had an issue.

 

[MrDudeMan]

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
From the prices I've seen in ads, I can tell you right off the bat they oversell their space. Test out there customer service, see how fast they respond. Ask them what their policy is on installing modules (PHP and whatnot).

If I were you, I wouldn't go with them based solely off the price, but I don't have experience with them.

Prices? I pay $2.99 a month for 10gb of webspace. My friend pays $4.99 a month for 100gb of webspace. He is using over 75gb and I am using 8gb. Please know what you are talking about before you talk.

Where are you getting this kind of pricing and are able to use so much disk space?

Just to give you an idea, I'll explain the backup process for my clients and an example with total disk space.

Usage: 3GB
Nightly backup: 3GB
Weekly backup: 3GB
Monthly backup: 3GB

Right away, we're at 4 times the disk space usage. If you factor in Raid 1/10/etc. configurations, you're looking at another 3GB of physical usage (no change in virtual space). The nightly and weekly ones have offserver *and* onserver backups, which means you can double both of those, so an extra 6GB.

Looking at how I back things up, you're up to 18GB in total usage for just a 3GB site. (If someone wants to talk, this many backups has many reasons, I didn't just come up with a plan to use tons of disk space for backups with no purpose)

Basically, if your friend's site has even 1 backup, let alone 3 copies, his host is keeping 150GB of disk space for him.

He's either somehow slipped by their radar, or he's lying. There's just no way someone can offer a plan and allow using 75GB of disk space for the price of a pound of peanuts.

Regarding 1&1 - give it a try and look at the service you get. If it works for you, great,they provided a service and you paid a fee, and both sides are happy.

Actually his plan was free for 3 years with 1and1. It was a promotion and it just now expired, so he started payments of $4.99 and I know that for a fact because I can login to his account. I've also seen the usage and it is ~75gb. I use 8/10gb of my web space which is with 1and1.

Whoever was complaining about modules has no clue. My 1and1 package has basically everything already installed and it is incredibly easy to add anything I want. I will post screen shots when I get home from work.



esun, you can cancel your account by removing your payment information or turning off auto-renew. It is quite easy and no fax machine necessary. I did this last month for my father-in-law.

 

[skrilla]

I'm not a huge fan of them.

I don't like their custom control panel... I would rather use hosting with cpanel X or something more common, but that's my opinion.

Also, it seems that things just don't work like they should with 1and1. They always have some special configuration goin on. I tried to install FormMail.pl on 1and1 and finally found someone on the net that had the script configured to work with 1and1.

There are better web host options out there.

 

[pstylesss]

^^ If you are refering to me, MrDudeMan, I told him to check their policy on installing modules and whatnot. It wasn't an attack on your beloved 1and1, it was a tip I gave for checking with any host.

Some places charge $100+ to install paid for modules, and even free modules. Before I chose my host, I checked to see if they would install PDFlib for me, some places I checked wouldn't, even if I paid for it.

If shell access is important, check that. There are a lot of things that go into web hosting it appears you haven't looked into or aren't aware of.

 

[zerocool1]

i was annoyed when i couldn't install mailman. so i switched to hostgator.

 

[yllus]

I switched from the "I know it's crap service but it's cheap" DreamHost to HostGator and am very happy with their service.

 

[StinkyMojo]

I use them. They're fine.

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: AgaBoogaBoo

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
From the prices I've seen in ads, I can tell you right off the bat they oversell their space. Test out there customer service, see how fast they respond. Ask them what their policy is on installing modules (PHP and whatnot).

If I were you, I wouldn't go with them based solely off the price, but I don't have experience with them.

Prices? I pay $2.99 a month for 10gb of webspace. My friend pays $4.99 a month for 100gb of webspace. He is using over 75gb and I am using 8gb. Please know what you are talking about before you talk.

Where are you getting this kind of pricing and are able to use so much disk space?

Just to give you an idea, I'll explain the backup process for my clients and an example with total disk space.

Usage: 3GB
Nightly backup: 3GB
Weekly backup: 3GB
Monthly backup: 3GB

Right away, we're at 4 times the disk space usage. If you factor in Raid 1/10/etc. configurations, you're looking at another 3GB of physical usage (no change in virtual space). The nightly and weekly ones have offserver *and* onserver backups, which means you can double both of those, so an extra 6GB.

Looking at how I back things up, you're up to 18GB in total usage for just a 3GB site. (If someone wants to talk, this many backups has many reasons, I didn't just come up with a plan to use tons of disk space for backups with no purpose)

Basically, if your friend's site has even 1 backup, let alone 3 copies, his host is keeping 150GB of disk space for him.

He's either somehow slipped by their radar, or he's lying. There's just no way someone can offer a plan and allow using 75GB of disk space for the price of a pound of peanuts.

Regarding 1&1 - give it a try and look at the service you get. If it works for you, great,they provided a service and you paid a fee, and both sides are happy.

:thumbsup: on backups. I had an account with the now-defunct Sonataweb. Their server was hacked and a script was installed by some extremist whack-jobs that replaced every index.* file on the server with a threatening message. No other files were modified - obviously their intent was to spread their message, not to do real damage. But Sonataweb claimed they had destroyed the offsite backups too. I have no idea why they would destroy the offsite backups but NOT 99% of the files that were backed up... oh I know, there WERE no offsite backups. Fortunately for Sonataweb, they had a convenient scapegoat. I wonder what would have "happened" to the offsite backups in the event of a disk failure? No doubt there would have been a simultaneous disk failure that wiped out the offsite backups. :laugh: Of course I had my own backups.

After getting tired of dealing with shared hosting environments where my sites could slow to a crawl because someone else on the server had a script running out of control or was just getting a lot of hits, I went with a VPS for most of my sites. I really like the flexibility it gives me, and I wrote a simple shell script that FTPs backups to a NAS drive at my house every few days (every day for DB backups). I also have at-wiki.com that mjussczak is hosting for free, and a personal site hosted by AgaBoogaBoo's Cernax web hosting. I'm pleased with both of them.

 

[RossMAN]

benjpw - YGPM

 

[George P Burdell]

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ

Originally posted by: MrDudeMan

Originally posted by: ZeroIQ
From the prices I've seen in ads, I can tell you right off the bat they oversell their space. Test out there customer service, see how fast they respond. Ask them what their policy is on installing modules (PHP and whatnot).

If I were you, I wouldn't go with them based solely off the price, but I don't have experience with them.

Prices? I pay $2.99 a month for 10gb of webspace. My friend pays $4.99 a month for 100gb of webspace. He is using over 75gb and I am using 8gb. Please know what you are talking about before you talk.

Know what the fuck you are talking about before you post.

Low low prices (2.99) is a big indicator they oversell their web space.

Nice try. I have recommended well over 50 people to sign up at 1and1, with the vast majority of them following through. Not a single person has run into a problem yet. Edit: and several of them use >90% of their space.

You're pulling those numbers out of your ass.

Unless all your friends run porn websites. In which case, pics?

Originally posted by: benjpw

Originally posted by: RossMAN

Originally posted by: benjpw

Originally posted by: RossMAN
There are better web hosts, what's your budget?

Anything really. Cheap is good but I would be willing to pay up to 50-60 a month (but only if I could host a game server as well as a website or two).

Forget about the game server let's concentrate on quality web hosting at affordable rates.

So for web hosting only, what's your realistic budget? How much are you comfortable spending without hesitation?

We'll the thing is I am making a website and I will have outside funding to pay for it. So I can't really give a budget. but lets say 30 since I will be paying for this out of pocket at first.

If quality is important and you're willing to pay for it, take a look at Pair and A Small Orange.