Get a different job. Get out and enjoy life.
Go jump off a building while saving the life of a child, that might get you a community service award.
You have to be dead, to be celebrated usually.
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Go jump off a building while saving the life of a child, that might get you a community service award.
You have to be dead, to be celebrated usually.
It is permissible to be an idiot? I.e. memorializing people who make stupid choices then die as a result?
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It is always easier to turn one's judging eye on another than on oneself. That is a lesson I always remember.
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I guess the part I'm missing is where you labored with great effort to judge yourself.
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It is always easier to turn one's judging eye on another than on oneself. That is a lesson I always remember.
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I guess the part I'm missing is where you labored with great effort to judge yourself.
MercenaryForHire
Lifer
/tumbleweed rolls past
- M4H
MercenaryForHire
Lifer
/me presses the Big Red Button on the remote to his Particle Uplink Cannon
Start running. 😀
- M4H
GeeZ! Your nick is hard to adapt to. Can I still call you Zakath15?
Well, I do agree with you . . . conditionally. But you know what? I actually thought that you had something else in mind. I was thinking of how people just praise [dead] people like no tomorrow and portray them as angels, whereas when they were just a minute ago alive they hardly got any compliments, praises, or affections. We only seem to have much positives to say about everyone when they die, except of course those accused of murder. Well, actually, even murderers when dead do have people with positive stories to tell about them. So it gets me thinking: Is it that we never pause to think about the good in everyone? Or is it that there's indeed hardly any good in people (i.e., human nature is mostly bad)? Why are they said to be such horrible people when they're alive but some angels when they are dead? Of course, I don't mean this applies to every dead person 'cuz there are some people who have clearly lived their lives the best they could without harming other people or themselves. I know that there's some superstition in our beliefs and ways, but such superstitions have lost their usefulness. I guess I somewhat get it . . . I guess there's almost always one person that holds the heart of the dead so dear, even the dead beat dads, the bullies, the scammers etc.
In any case, back to your particular case: I do agree about the award thing . . . well, partly or conditionally. I can understand that as human beings we all have weaknesses. So it is good to recognise our strengths in spite of our weaknessses. However, I do think it would be ridiculous to give an award to someone for a particular conduct--and stupid conduct mind you--that led to his (or her) death. On the other hand, if this guy had been awarded something for his good deeds to his fellow beings and without consideration of his cause of death (i.e., not much weight given in favour), then I would have no problem. I just think that there is a tendency to give someone an award or status after his (or her) death because of immense sympathy--instead not merits. In order words, so much weight is given to "death" itself; hence an elevation in status. Now, don't misunderstand me: I do know that memorials are often made after one dies, but it shouldn't be the biggest consideration and a merit on its own. Please note that I'm not referring to situations where someone saves another life, for instance, and dies in the process, whereas he could have lived had he (or she) not done that. That in of itself is death whilst on duty as a fellow human being.
On that note, I end with the following: I've been thinking lately about society today and its conflicting practices with nature. Things we do and take for granted, where the same thing would have eliminated us from this planet ages ago. I mean situations such as depression, stupid acts such as your example, etc. Please not that I'm not making a statement on the good or bad of this "advantages" we take everyday. What I am wondering is if this will last or if nature would catch up with us soon.
Well, I do agree with you . . . conditionally. But you know what? I actually thought that you had something else in mind. I was thinking of how people just praise [dead] people like no tomorrow and portray them as angels, whereas when they were just a minute ago alive they hardly got any compliments, praises, or affections. We only seem to have much positives to say about everyone when they die, except of course those accused of murder. Well, actually, even murderers when dead do have people with positive stories to tell about them. So it gets me thinking: Is it that we never pause to think about the good in everyone? Or is it that there's indeed hardly any good in people (i.e., human nature is mostly bad)? Why are they said to be such horrible people when they're alive but some angels when they are dead? Of course, I don't mean this applies to every dead person 'cuz there are some people who have clearly lived their lives the best they could without harming other people or themselves. I know that there's some superstition in our beliefs and ways, but such superstitions have lost their usefulness. I guess I somewhat get it . . . I guess there's almost always one person that holds the heart of the dead so dear, even the dead beat dads, the bullies, the scammers etc.
In any case, back to your particular case: I do agree about the award thing . . . well, partly or conditionally. I can understand that as human beings we all have weaknesses. So it is good to recognise our strengths in spite of our weaknessses. However, I do think it would be ridiculous to give an award to someone for a particular conduct--and stupid conduct mind you--that led to his (or her) death. On the other hand, if this guy had been awarded something for his good deeds to his fellow beings and without consideration of his cause of death (i.e., not much weight given in favour), then I would have no problem. I just think that there is a tendency to give someone an award or status after his (or her) death because of immense sympathy--instead not merits. In order words, so much weight is given to "death" itself; hence an elevation in status. Now, don't misunderstand me: I do know that memorials are often made after one dies, but it shouldn't be the biggest consideration and a merit on its own. Please note that I'm not referring to situations where someone saves another life, for instance, and dies in the process, whereas he could have lived had he (or she) not done that. That in of itself is death whilst on duty as a fellow human being.
On that note, I end with the following: I've been thinking lately about society today and its conflicting practices with nature. Things we do and take for granted, where the same thing would have eliminated us from this planet ages ago. I mean situations such as depression, stupid acts such as your example, etc. Please not that I'm not making a statement on the good or bad of this "advantages" we take everyday. What I am wondering is if this will last or if nature would catch up with us soon.
Spikesoldier
Diamond Member
you are not remembered for your death, but the life you lived.
obviously the award is for what he did when he was alive, not for the way he died. If he did a lot of community service when he was alive, then what is wrong with him getting this award? It's not like they are saying, "hey, do a handstand on a balcony and die and we will give you an award".
"It was the fact that he had a history of doing them, being asked by rA's and RD's to not do them, and continuing to do them."
Was he doing it in violation with the housing code at your dorm? If it was, then I do see what you're saying about giving an award for community service. And his stupidy led to death, which consequently means that other people and society as a whole will be one person less of good deeds. I guess his stupidity could be given much weight on the down side. However, if he was in compliance with the codes, but he just didn't take heed to a personal advice, then maybe the his cause of death shouldn't be given so much weight against the idea of awarding him the title. But I don't think that even by virtue of his death he should be given consideration of an award, unless he really did things that strongly impacted the community. You seem to be admitting that he did.
Was he doing it in violation with the housing code at your dorm? If it was, then I do see what you're saying about giving an award for community service. And his stupidy led to death, which consequently means that other people and society as a whole will be one person less of good deeds. I guess his stupidity could be given much weight on the down side. However, if he was in compliance with the codes, but he just didn't take heed to a personal advice, then maybe the his cause of death shouldn't be given so much weight against the idea of awarding him the title. But I don't think that even by virtue of his death he should be given consideration of an award, unless he really did things that strongly impacted the community. You seem to be admitting that he did.
I already have judged myself, and I do so with every breath I take.
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And you didn't know he wanted to die?
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No.
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Then you haven't been very diligent in the depth of your self judgment.
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And you didn't know he wanted to die?
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No.
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Then you haven't been very diligent in the depth of your self judgment.
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