Why do people act as though...

[Orsorum]

It is permissible to be an idiot? I.e. memorializing people who make stupid choices then die as a result?

For example, in a building I used to work in (a dorm with balconies) there was a young man who was extraordinarily involved, very active, most of the staff knew him, etc.

This young man also liked to do handstands on the balcony railing - quite often, if I recall correctly. One day, he went to do one, overestimated the energy to do it, and went right off the edge of the balcony, three or four floors straight to the wooden deck.

So, this young man dies like the idiot he was, but instead of some sad feelings and some grieving, he gets AN AWARD NAMED AFTER HIM. Not a variant of the Darwin awards, mind you, but a "community service award". Let's memorialize idiocy.

/rant.

 

[conjur]

wtf?

surely there's a local newspaper article posting somewhere on this?

 

[Ryan]

This thread is st00pid. I think you're mad because you think that you're gonna die and then be forgotten.

Who are you to assume that people did NOT have any sad feelings and some grieving? Who are you to determine the value of someones life, and if they deserve recognition?

You're argument is fallacious at most.

 

[TallBill]

Thats why I dont do handstands on balconies. 😛

 

[bootymac]

So if you died an idiotic death, would you like us all to not give a damn about you?

 

[CrazyPerson]

idiotRus
:beer::beer::beer::beer::beer:

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: conjur
wtf?

surely there's a local newspaper article posting somewhere on this?

One mention of it on the web that I can find, from a bio of his parents. Out of respect, I am not posting his name or the link to his parents' bio.

It is an embarrassing way to die, for anyone. I am wondering if the full details of it never got posted, due to the housing department's strict "don't tell" policy regarding any personnel and the press (any communications about housing must come from an official spokesperson).

 

I'm going to give you an award for most mind numbing poorly thought out teenage philosophy threads.

 

[Zrom999]

Well he did do a community service... he showed what can happen when people do stupid tricks on balcony railings

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: bootymac
So if you died an idiotic death, would you like us all to not give a damn about you?

If I died an idiotic death, I wouldn't expect the building I lived in to make an award after me. I'd expect them to use me as an example of what NOT to do when violating building safety regulations.

 

[PowerMacG5]

It depends. In this case, yes he was an idiot, but in the grand scheme of everything, was he? Outside of doing handstands, what else did he do? If he did nothing, then yes, he did not deserve a reward named after him; but if he did something worthy, then he deserves it.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: SammySon
I'm going to give you an award for most mind numbing poorly thought out teenage philosophy threads.

? It is an honest question. I don't question that he was missed, most people are grieved for when they die, and rightfully so. What I am questioning is the fact that he was memorialized for one thing when he exemplified the exact opposite in his actions.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: SammySon I'm going to give you an award for most mind numbing poorly thought out teenage philosophy threads.

? It is an honest question. I don't question that he was missed, most people are grieved for when they die, and rightfully so. What I am questioning is the fact that he was memorialized for one thing when he exemplified the exact opposite in his actions.

😕 What does a community service award have to do with the way that he died?

 

[Zrom999]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: SammySon I'm going to give you an award for most mind numbing poorly thought out teenage philosophy threads.

? It is an honest question. I don't question that he was missed, most people are grieved for when they die, and rightfully so. What I am questioning is the fact that he was memorialized for one thing when he exemplified the exact opposite in his actions.

😕 What does a community service award have to do with the way that he died?

He demonstrated the results of extreme stupidity. Others will learn from this.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: SammySon I'm going to give you an award for most mind numbing poorly thought out teenage philosophy threads.

? It is an honest question. I don't question that he was missed, most people are grieved for when they die, and rightfully so. <STRONG>What I am questioning is the fact that he was memorialized for one thing when he exemplified the exact opposite in his actions.</STRONG>

😕 What does a community service award have to do with the way that he died?

Here is a man who was memorialized as someone to be emulated. When you die by breaking some of the most basic rules of living in a building with balconies, I do not believe that qualifies you in any way as someone to be emulated.

 

[Ryan]

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Originally posted by: Orsorum

Originally posted by: SammySon I'm going to give you an award for most mind numbing poorly thought out teenage philosophy threads.

? It is an honest question. I don't question that he was missed, most people are grieved for when they die, and rightfully so. What I am questioning is the fact that he was memorialized for one thing when he exemplified the exact opposite in his actions.

😕 What does a community service award have to do with the way that he died?

Here is a man who was memorialized as someone to be emulated. When you die by breaking some of the most basic rules of living in a building with balconies, I do not believe that qualifies you in any way as someone to be emulated.

Again, who are you to determine the value of someones actions in life, and their worth (aspecially when you have no specific details of how he actually died)?

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: rbloedow

Again, who are you to determine the value of someones actions in life, and their worth (aspecially when you have no specific details of how he actually died)?

I do have the specific details, I worked with the people who were there when he died. Out of respect for him, my coworkers and my job, I am deliberately avoiding going into detail.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: rbloedow
Again, who are you to determine the value of someones actions in life, and their worth (aspecially when you have no specific details of how he actually died)?

Are you denying the stupidity of his actions?

 

[ScottMac]

If things follow their regular due course these days, his memorial will be stickers on the balcony rails reading " Doing handstands on the balcony rails may be hazerdous to your health" (and maybe some others and variants arising from his parent's Lawsuit against the school for not properly protecting thier (stupid) child).

Of course, the local legislatures will decide it's probably the start of a trend, and make some laws against doing handstands on balconies (but only after forming a well-paid committee of their closest friends to investigate the pervasiveness of (stupid) students doing things like handstands on balconies. Then they'll need a special enforcement arm to make sure that (stupid) students aren't actually breaking the law.

Eventually it'll become part of the curriculum in High School, Junior High, or Grade School to firmly implant the thought that handstands on balconies are probably a bad behaviour.

That is, until the ACLU decides that Balcony Handstands are an expression of thought or culture and work to have the Law overturned, and perhaps replace the "Don't not Do Handstands" High School Training with "How to Properly do Handstands on a Balcony Railing and Express Yourself" training.

Which leads to the Public and private school systems asking more money, so they can properly equip and staff the Balcony Handstanding Lab at each of their locations.....

(and On & On, etcetera, and On.....)

SO, for those just getting into college, especially of you getting into the Education field, be sure to get your Balcony Handstanding certificates, you'll be in demand in a few years and can command a higher starting salary.

See... lemons from lemonade....I mean, lemonade from lemons.... whatever .....


FWIW

Scott

 

[Lonyo]

Someone show this to wdnaq or whatever his name is, see if we can get a result.

 

So, should we make a memorial for him commending his immense idiocy?
Should the award read: "Here marks the spot where some idiot did something idiotic and died"?

The award is commeding his contribution to the community. Just because he did something stupid, and it resulted in taking his own life, does not devalue the merits of his accomplishments in his life. Is that hard to see?

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: SammySon
So, should we make a memorial for him commending his immense idiocy?
Should the award read: "Here marks the spot where some idiot did something idiotic and died"?

The award is commeding his contribution to the community. Just because he did something stupid, and it resulted in taking his own life, does not devalue the merits of his accomplishments in his life. Is that hard to see?

I would not fault his parents for honoring him. However, I would fault his "contributions to the community" when by his very actions he flaunted disrespect for the rules of that same community.

 

I would not fault his parents for honoring him. However, I would fault his "contributions to the community" when by his very actions he flaunted disrespect for the rules of that same community.

You're too hard on your fellow humans, lighten up. One stupid action does not negate all the positive actions in ones life.

 

[Orsorum]

Originally posted by: SammySon
You're too hard on your fellow humans, lighten up. One stupid action does not negate all the positive actions in ones life.

When I work in a job where I can be fired for much, much, much less than his actions (death notwithstanding), despite my many positive contributions to my community, yes, I tend to be very hard on other people. I find it sad to say that I am even harder on myself.

I find it frustrating that we try to lift up positive role models for young adults and teenagers, but when people like this are offered, the duality is frustrating and sometimes counterproductive.

 

[Eli]

Who did Orsorum used to be?