Why do my 3dmark scores suck on my OCed system?

[Renob]

I have a NF7-S v.2
mobil 2600 @ 11.5x200 2300mhz
ATI 9800 pro @ gpu 405 mem 357.75
corsair platinum xps pc 3500 ddr 433
Im using the Omega drivers. and even if i go back to the ati drives my scores are still low.
I have nothing running in the background.

When I built the sytsem it would score and this was with a non overclock on the vid card and stock drivers
3dmarks 2003 5700
3dmarks 2001 16,300

Now with the overclocked vid card I get

3dmarks 2003 5200
3dmarks 2001 15,900

 

[furie27]

I had a similar when I overclocked my 2600+ too high. The FSB was too high for the memory forcing a 5:4 ratio. Check it using CPUZ and adjust the memory settings in your bios accordingly.

 

[Shimmishim]

open up task manager and check to see if you have anything running...

you may have a virus tha'ts eating up clock cycles...

i think 16k is about right for that system...

 

[SilentAssassin]

hmmm but then why would his score go down after overclocking the video card?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

The 2k1 score is close enough for goverment work and the lower '03 score is most likely due to 4x AF being turned on.

 

[Renob]

System is clean, no virus.
also 4xaf is off.
I have gone back to try the old drivers and set the vid card to normal speed and still no luck.

It giving me no love.

 

[Zebo]

You must have changed something in the bios or it's not config properly.. Heres a good starting point



Softmenu III Setup
CPU Operating Speed: User Define
External Clock: 200
Multiplifier Factor: 12
AGP Frequency: 66
CPU FSB/DRAM Ratio: 6/6 or 5/5
CPU Interface: Enabled
Power Supply Controller: User Define
CPU Core Voltage: 1.70 - 1.775 to be safe
DDR SDRAM Voltage: 2.7
Chipset Voltage: 1.7
AGP Voltage: Default

Advanced Chipset Features
Memory Timings: Expert
Row Active... : 11
Ras to Cas... : 3
RAS Precharge... : 3
CAS Latency... : 2
System Bios Cacheable: Disable
Video Ram Cacheable: Disable
CPU Thermal Throttling: Disable
Enhance PCI: Enable
CPU Disconnect: Disable
AGP Transfer: 8x
AGP Fast Writes: Enable.
Disable everything with a % sign


If you don't use IR, then disable it.
If you don't use SATA, then disable it.
If you don't use the Parallel Port, then disable it.
If you dont use MIDI, then disable it.
If you dont use the embedded LAN card, then disable it.
If you don't use the embedded Audio, then disable it.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

How did you turn off AF? On the Omegas 2.5.30's I use it's either app. preference or a minimum of 2xAF and the free version of '03 doesn't let me turn off the 4x AF it uses.

 

[xeno2060]

Wow you're really SMART.

 

[Renob]

Zebo thanks for all the info on the Bios, I will check it now.

But I have a question why would I want to turn up my voltage to my cpu and chipset?

 

[xeno2060]

Try the voltage increase just for Sh!ts and grinns and see what happens...you never know.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Renob
Zebo thanks for all the info on the Bios, I will check it now.

But I have a question why would I want to turn up my voltage to my cpu and chipset?

If it's stable as is then definitely do not increase voltage unless you want unnecessary heat. BTW, how did you disable AF in '03 with the Omegas? Do I just have the wrong ones or what?

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: Renob
Zebo thanks for all the info on the Bios, I will check it now.

But I have a question why would I want to turn up my voltage to my cpu and chipset?

Chipset 1.7 is a given for stabilty I've found on the both NFS-7 I have. 1.6 is fine too though..Either way it only helps and can't hurt. And I was going to post a little more, after your results come back, about upping the FSB and tighting the timmings with the killer ram you bought so it should stay there. But for now, I'd just like to see what you scores are under these conditions so you can disregaurd that if you choose.

As far as Vcore, you have a 2600M mildly overclocked, and were complaining about your scores, just suggesting you overclock a bit more and more Vcore may be nessesary?

 

[RussianSensation]

Sometimes when the GPU/Memory speeds gets too hot it slows itself down in benchmarking so test at 390/345 see if the score increases

do the same for the CPU to see at which point teh scores keeps decreasing

If your score decreases at any cpu overclocking or gpu overclocking speed isolate each component and keep the other one stock until you find what is causing this.

so reset cpu to stock and gpu to stock

first overclock the cpu and your 3dmark01 should increase until the maximum you can reach with the cpu
now do the same with the gpu while keeping the cpu stock

maybe you'll find a thermal limit for a component.

 

[Renob]

Ok I changed all the setting and here are the scores.

3dmarks 2001 15752

3dmarks 2003 4950

They went down??

This is very strange .

Im not sure were the setting is for turning off the af but Im sure it off. maybe??

 

[mato7742]

try ventillating the card a little bit if you feel it's heat related. i don't know if you did this yet, but before you posted those scores did you reset your cpu/gpu back to stock?

 

[Renob]

Ok I removed the omega drivers and ran the test with the ati drivers and a normal clocked vid card and now my score for 3dmarks 2001 droped to

14800

Is there a driver cleaner out there that will clean out my system I have loaded drivers on it about 10 times for the vid card I think that might be part of the problem.

 

[Jgtdragon]

Seems like the more you tinker with it, the more its going down.
You running Windows XP? Run system restore back to the date you have the highest score to see its a software problem.

 

[Renob]

Ok I just ran a driver cleaner and reinstalled the omega drivers and got a

16552 yahoo! my best score ever and at only 2300mhz on the CPU.

And 5817 for 3dmarks 2003

Thanks guys for all your input.

 

[Sokratz]

Originally posted by: Zebo
You must have changed something in the bios or it's not config properly.. Heres a good starting point



Softmenu III Setup
CPU Operating Speed: User Define
External Clock: 200
Multiplifier Factor: 12
AGP Frequency: 66
CPU FSB/DRAM Ratio: 6/6 or 5/5
CPU Interface: Enabled
Power Supply Controller: User Define
CPU Core Voltage: 1.70 - 1.775 to be safe
DDR SDRAM Voltage: 2.7
Chipset Voltage: 1.7
AGP Voltage: Default

Advanced Chipset Features
Memory Timings: Expert
Row Active... : 11
Ras to Cas... : 3
RAS Precharge... : 3
CAS Latency... : 2
System Bios Cacheable: Disable
Video Ram Cacheable: Disable
CPU Thermal Throttling: Disable
Enhance PCI: Enable
CPU Disconnect: Disable
AGP Transfer: 8x
AGP Fast Writes: Enable.
Disable everything with a % sign


If you don't use IR, then disable it.
If you don't use SATA, then disable it.
If you don't use the Parallel Port, then disable it.
If you dont use MIDI, then disable it.
If you dont use the embedded LAN card, then disable it.
If you don't use the embedded Audio, then disable it.

I was under the impression that enhance pci should be disabled for max oc stability?

 

[high]

should we hitting 19000

 

[Renob]

Could you please give a little more info then just

should we hitting 19000

 

[Somniferum]

This sounds like a problem I had at one time. Make sure AA/AF are not being enabled somewhere else. Depending on what apps you have running, it may be turned on without you realizing it. I had AA/AF disabled in the drivers, but Powerstrip was overriding the driver settings and turning these functions on anyway. Result was 3dMark03 scores similar to yours. Make sure whatever vid-card-related apps you are running are not conflicting with one another.

 

[Optimummind]

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Sometimes when the GPU/Memory speeds gets too hot it slows itself down in benchmarking so test at 390/345 see if the score increases

do the same for the CPU to see at which point teh scores keeps decreasing

If your score decreases at any cpu overclocking or gpu overclocking speed isolate each component and keep the other one stock until you find what is causing this.

so reset cpu to stock and gpu to stock

first overclock the cpu and your 3dmark01 should increase until the maximum you can reach with the cpu
now do the same with the gpu while keeping the cpu stock

maybe you'll find a thermal limit for a component.

I don't think AMD CPU's have the thermal control circuit found in Intel Pentium 4's to increase the number of null cycles to bring the temp of the CPU down. It only applies to P4 CPU's.

Also, his GPU doesn't have the thermal monitor that downclocks the GPU automatically.

 

[RussianSensation]

Originally posted by: Optimummind

Originally posted by: RussianSensation
Sometimes when the GPU/Memory speeds gets too hot it slows itself down in benchmarking so test at 390/345 see if the score increases

do the same for the CPU to see at which point teh scores keeps decreasing

If your score decreases at any cpu overclocking or gpu overclocking speed isolate each component and keep the other one stock until you find what is causing this.

so reset cpu to stock and gpu to stock

first overclock the cpu and your 3dmark01 should increase until the maximum you can reach with the cpu
now do the same with the gpu while keeping the cpu stock

maybe you'll find a thermal limit for a component.

I don't think AMD CPU's have the thermal control circuit found in Intel Pentium 4's to increase the number of null cycles to bring the temp of the CPU down. It only applies to P4 CPU's.

Also, his GPU doesn't have the thermal monitor that downclocks the GPU automatically.

Yeah you r right so it's definately not the cpu but GPUs have a tedency to overheat and they actually do slow down at very high settings like my 8500 does worse when i overclock it to 310/310 than at 300/300 so that is the only explanation i can provide. I can't think of anything else. The reason why i told him to test both parts is to be able to isolate them for sure; that way he will find the problem sooner.