Why do Muslim Nations get more upset over cartoons than Islamic Terrorism?

[dahunan]

Don't these people ever think THEY are extremely offensive to the God Allah.. screw Moham.. they should be worried about Allah.. shouldn't they?

http://www.thelocal.se/8305/20070827/
Iran protests over Swedish Muhammad cartoon
Published: 27th August 2007 18:17 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/8305/

Iran summoned a Swedish diplomat to its foreign ministry on Monday to protest against a cartoon in a Swedish newspaper depicting the head of Prophet Muhammad on a dog's body, Sweden's foreign ministry said.

"Gunilla von Bahr, Sweden's charge d'affaires, was summoned to the Iranian foreign ministry today where she received a protest from the Iranian government," foreign ministry spokeswoman Anna Björkander told AFP.

The Iranian government told Von Bahr the cartoon was "offensive to Prophet Muhammad," Björkander said, refusing to disclose any further details of the meeting

http://www.thelocal.se/8498/20070915/
Al-Qaeda puts bounties on heads of Swedes
Published: 15th September 2007 16:40 CET
Online: http://www.thelocal.se/8498/

An Al-Qaeda front organization in Iraq has offered rewards to anyone who kills two Swedes behind a cartoon depicting the Muslim prophet Muhammad as a dog, in a statement posted on the Internet.

The self-proclaimed Islamic State in Iraq placed a bounty of at least $100,000 on the head of the cartoonist Lars Vilks and $50,000 on Ulf Johansson, editor in chief of the Nerikes Allehanda newspaper which published the caricature.

"We call for the liquidation of the cartoonist Lars who offended our prophet," said the statement issued in the name of the group's leader Sheikh Abu Omar al-Baghdadi.

"We announce a reward of $100,000 to anyone who kills this infidel criminal. This reward will be raised to $150,000 if his throat is slit," said the statement whose authenticity could not be verified.

The statement also threatened attacks on Swedish firms unless unspecified "crusaders" issued an apology.

"We know how to force you to apologize. If you do not, expect us to strike the businesses of your major firms like Ericsson, Scania, Volvo, IKEA and Electrolux," it said.

The Swedish TT news agency said Saturday that Vilks was temporarily abroad, and quoted him as feeling safe but on guard.

"I think there's no reason to worry for the moment because I am moving around but when I am back home, in one spot, it will be very easy to track me down," he said.

Responding to the threat on his life, the caricaturist was characteristically defiant.

"I suppose this makes my art project a bit more serious. It's also good to know how much one is worth," said Vilks.

"Of course you can't just brush off an organization like this. I'm not that irreverent. I'll have to look over my shoulder when crossing the street," he added.

Having already received a number of threats via e-mail and over the telephone, Ulf Johansson has also been on his guard since the publication of the controversial cartoon.

"The police have already contacted me and I'm going to stay in touch with them. I have received various types of threat but none have been so explicit. This is a direct death sentence," he told TT.

Speaking to AFP, he said he had received police protection and Swedish authorities were analyzing the tape to determine who Sheikh Abu Omar al-Baghdadi was and if he really existed.

Muslim Council of Sweden chief Helena Benouda denounced the threats, saying that Muslim organizations in Sweden were capable of handling the cartoon issue themselves.

"We don't think like this at all. It is criminal to call to kill somebody," said Benouda. "It is really unnecessary and it's ugly, especially in the moment of Ramadan," the Muslim holy month.

Swedish Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt also held talks with envoys from 22 Muslim nations on September 7th in a bid to defuse the row.

The publication of the sketch in Nerikes Allehanda on August 18th - featuring the prophet's head on a dog's body - sparked a fiery debate in the Swedish media on freedom of expression and prompted protests by Muslims in the western town of Örebro, where the newspaper is based.

A strict interpretation of Islam forbids the depiction of Muhammad in any form.

The cartoonist has received previous death threats, while the Swedish foreign ministry has also advised its nationals to exercise caution in the Middle East.

A series of 12 cartoons of the Muslim prophet Mohammed published in Denmark's biggest daily more than a year ago led to riots in several Muslim countries.

 

[Genx87]

They take their imaginary friend very serious. You shouldnt insult him or expect a beheading or stabbing.

 

[imported_Tango]

http://rhetoric.byu.edu/figure...orical%20questions.htm

 

[Lemon law]

While every Christian church usually has carving of Jesus suffering on the cross or other inspirational artwork, in the Muslim religion, images of Mohamed are strictly forbidden.

In short its a social taboo. The notion that we don't have them either is also absurd. Adult females and not males are supposed to keep their breasts covered in public, witness the furor over Craig and Foley, and you take your life into your own hands if you burn an American flag in a redneck bar.

Its just one of those third rail things, touch it and you die. The wise tend to respect the taboos and the sensation seeker exploits them. And the hypocrites respects his own taboos and ridicules the taboos of other.

 

[Oceandevi]

If I burn a flag will the hordes of rednecks will come and slit my throat?
Dont think so. You may get your ass beat, but murderous violence over ideals is rare in the west. We kill each other over sex and money!

 

[Siddhartha]

"Why do Muslim Nations get more upset over cartoons than Islamic Terrorism?"

The same reasons some US citizens get uspet over flag burning and efforts to maintain the separation of church and state.

 

[Red Dawn]

Religious fanatics of all faiths suck and the more ignorant they are they more dangerous they become.

 

[her209]

Its like the teachers that got upset over the Carl's Jr. Flat Buns commercials.

:roll:

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: Genx87
They take their imaginary friend very serious. You shouldnt insult him or expect a beheading or stabbing.

I thought The Prophet was a pretty well established historical fact.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: dahunan
Topic Title: Why do Muslim Nations get more upset over cartoons than Islamic Terrorism?

Doesn?t take a rocket scientist to figure out which one they consider blasphemy to their faith. Islamic Supremacism is reinforced by war and bloodshed, while cartoons insult their Supremacy over you.

 

[Rainsford]

Maybe you people should READ the articles you post before expounding on "Muslims" as one big social group. So far I see the anger coming from two sources, the Iranian government and Al-Qaeda...is it any surprise these two organizations are getting their panties in a bunch? Yet an organization of Muslim Swedes, probably more representative of the average Muslim, is DENOUNCING the threats. If you're trying to make a point about the average Muslim, I don't think it's the point you think you're making. Corruption of the Islamic faith is clearly a top down problem, which seems to always be the case with religions, and not only does it not seem to be coming from the average Muslim, it's pretty clear they ARE taking steps to improve things.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: dahunan
Topic Title: Why do Muslim Nations get more upset over cartoons than Islamic Terrorism?

Doesn?t take a rocket scientist to figure out which one they consider blasphemy to their faith. Islamic Supremacism is reinforced by war and bloodshed, while cartoons insult their Supremacy over you.

WTF? Man you sound as crazy of the Islamic fanatics.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Religious fanatics of all faiths suck and the more ignorant they are they more dangerous they become.

:thumbsup:

 

[Saint Michael]

Originally posted by: Lemon law
While every Christian church usually has carving of Jesus suffering on the cross or other inspirational artwork, in the Muslim religion, images of Mohamed are strictly forbidden.

In short its a social taboo. The notion that we don't have them either is also absurd. Adult females and not males are supposed to keep their breasts covered in public, witness the furor over Craig and Foley, and you take your life into your own hands if you burn an American flag in a redneck bar.

Its just one of those third rail things, touch it and you die. The wise tend to respect the taboos and the sensation seeker exploits them. And the hypocrites respects his own taboos and ridicules the taboos of other.

It's not hypocritical to observe taboos you care about and not observe taboos you don't care about. Anyone can pick and choose which taboos they want to observe, it's a personal freedom.

Relevant definition of "hypocrite" from m-w.com:

2 : a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

If I stated I gave a damn about Mohammed, and then made such a cartoon, I'd be a hypocrite.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: dahunan
Topic Title: Why do Muslim Nations get more upset over cartoons than Islamic Terrorism?

Doesn?t take a rocket scientist to figure out which one they consider blasphemy to their faith. Islamic Supremacism is reinforced by war and bloodshed, while cartoons insult their Supremacy over you.

WTF? Man you sound as crazy of the Islamic fanatics.

All you have are insults to me, can't argue with what I said?

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: Genx87
They take their imaginary friend very serious. You shouldnt insult him or expect a beheading or stabbing.

Why do US fundamentalist Christians get more upset over 'art' disrespecting their religion, than they do over real unjustified violence done by their nation, or the lack of universal medical care for even their fellow Americans much less the well-being of the rest of mankind, etc.?

In reaction to the Mohammed comics debacle, I?ve heard and read a great deal of self-congratulatory language on the part of Americans, expressing relief and pride in knowing that here in the United States of America, we don?t react to being offended by sending out death threats and smashing things or anything like that. No, not in America.

Those who have expressed such relief and pride may want to reflect on the experience of Felicia Stockford. Ms. Stockford owns Spellbound, a lingerie store in Augusta, Maine. That?s right, Maine, the center of all things that are good, honest, true and homey in the good ol? USA. As part of a Valentine?s Day promotion, Ms. Stockford hired two women to appear in a storefront window wearing provocative but relatively mild lingerie and dresses.

You may think such an act of expression is acceptable in a free society. You may be offended by it. You may harbor both feelings.

Conservative fundamentalist Christian organizations found the display offensive and began to demonstrate against it, as is their right. Michael Hein, member of the board of directors of the Christian Civic League of Maine, began to ratchet up pressure on Ms. Stockford?s business and filed charges although city officials said Ms. Stockford violated no laws, asserting that ?people will continue to monitor her. She continues to make a mockery of community standards?. It?s a festering boil with our city.?

Then came the death threats. Shortly after that, slashed tires. Ms. Stockford felt coerced into ceasing her act of free expression, explaining:

?It would be unconscionable to put her in a position where something might happen. It all boils down to slashed tires, violent threats, so we have to stop. And it stinks. I feel kind of sad that it?s over with for here, but as long as I?m here I don?t plan to do it again. I?m not having a good time anymore.?

Felicia Stockford comments at her blog:

"I do hope the men who made those calls are crapping quite the brick right now. They should be. I don?t think this is a matter the police will ignore. I still feel badly about ending the live modeling though. I feel we made a statement about the beauty of all women by doing so. My models were not Barbies with implants, but real women. Thin, average, plus size, African-American, older, younger?you name it. I had a young woman who wears a size 22 in my window and she looked fabulous. A lot of women came in after that to buy, saying I had made them feel they too could look good in lingerie."

Felicia Stockford is closing up shop and moving from Augusta, Maine to a bigger town, one that she says will be ?more liberal.? One that is more supportive of liberty.

This is America.

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Question for the righties who are upset about how little Muslims condemn terrorism:

Who has spoken out less, Muslims against terrorism, or US right-wingers against the atrocities of their own government - Viet Nam, El Salvador, Nicaraguan Contras etc.?

I don't think I've seen 1 in 100 right-wingers have virtually anything to say about 'their side's' wrongs, which by the way, are far higher in casualty numbers.

So you wonder why Muslims who look at the US overthrowing democracy in Iran, giving Israel billions in military aid, pushing the Iraq-Iran war with a million casualties, installing brutal regimes in multiple places such as Saudi Arabia, and otherwise meddling and harming Muslims for its own interests, see the wrong of Al Queda and don't rush to say just the one is wrong, when you are unable to hold your own government accountable, and righties throw around propaganda, 'blame America first' as the knee-jerk response to any facts regarding their country doing wrong?

 

[Drift3r]

Reminds me of the recent joke Kathy Griffin made about the fictional guy named Jesus who lives in the sky and how tons of people got upset.

 

[Oceandevi]

Originally posted by: Drift3r
Reminds me of the recent joke Kathy Griffin made about the fictional guy named Jesus who lives in the sky and how tons of people got upset.

and then some christian fanatic cut her head off.

 

[Sunner]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Maybe you people should READ the articles you post before expounding on "Muslims" as one big social group. So far I see the anger coming from two sources, the Iranian government and Al-Qaeda...is it any surprise these two organizations are getting their panties in a bunch? Yet an organization of Muslim Swedes, probably more representative of the average Muslim, is DENOUNCING the threats. If you're trying to make a point about the average Muslim, I don't think it's the point you think you're making. Corruption of the Islamic faith is clearly a top down problem, which seems to always be the case with religions, and not only does it not seem to be coming from the average Muslim, it's pretty clear they ARE taking steps to improve things.

While most have denounced outright death threats, many of them have been demanding laws and such to deal with this "problem", and it wasn't just Iran, quite a few countries protested formally, including demands that Sweden change it's constitution to suit Islam.
Countries including Egypt, Pakistan, Iran, and Afghanistan have all issued protests and/or demands.
Silly people.

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Oceandevi

Originally posted by: Drift3r
Reminds me of the recent joke Kathy Griffin made about the fictional guy named Jesus who lives in the sky and how tons of people got upset.

and then some christian fanatic cut her head off.

Muslims don't do that, just ask Craig234. I?d have you ask Daniel Pearl but those violent Christians must have gotten him.

 

[Aimster]

Jesus was a good magician.

If only people realized this

 

[Jaskalas]

Originally posted by: Craig234
Question for the righties who are upset about how little Muslims condemn terrorism:

Who has spoken out less, Muslims against terrorism, or US right-wingers against the atrocities of their own government - Viet Nam, El Salvador, Nicaraguan Contras etc.?

I don't think I've seen 1 in 100 right-wingers have virtually anything to say about 'their side's' wrongs, which by the way, are far higher in casualty numbers.

So you wonder why Muslims who look at the US overthrowing democracy in Iran, giving Israel billions in military aid, pushing the Iraq-Iran war with a million casualties, installing brutal regimes in multiple places such as Saudi Arabia, and otherwise meddling and harming Muslims for its own interests, see the wrong of Al Queda and don't rush to say just the one is wrong, when you are unable to hold your own government accountable, and righties throw around propaganda, 'blame America first' as the knee-jerk response to any facts regarding their country doing wrong?

We?re at war, there are means by which ALL Americans should condemn our wrong doings, but it should NEVER be used in favor of foreign opponents, ESPECIALLY when our lives are on the line. Oh no Craig, I don't think "blame America first" adequately describes the depth and devotion of such treacherous ideology.

You gave us a deflection, to avoid condemning our killers so that you can continue to condemn us. Why is this argument in this topic, do you not consider yourself in need of condemning our killers, if you are an American they have sworn to kill you. Yet all you can do is assault us who stand against them. Does that include yourself?

Now I understand your hatred for us, it comes across quite clearly. Yet I don?t understand your desire to give legitimacy to ?how little Muslims condemn terrorism?. You give us all your reasons why they should kill us, why they should support their war effort. You fail to give us any reason to support our war effort for our survival against the warfare you just legitimized.

Such repeated arguments make it sound like you support them.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Maybe you people should READ the articles you post before expounding on "Muslims" as one big social group. So far I see the anger coming from two sources, the Iranian government and Al-Qaeda...is it any surprise these two organizations are getting their panties in a bunch? Yet an organization of Muslim Swedes, probably more representative of the average Muslim, is DENOUNCING the threats. If you're trying to make a point about the average Muslim, I don't think it's the point you think you're making. Corruption of the Islamic faith is clearly a top down problem, which seems to always be the case with religions, and not only does it not seem to be coming from the average Muslim, it's pretty clear they ARE taking steps to improve things.

While most have denounced outright death threats, many of them have been demanding laws and such to deal with this "problem", and it wasn't just Iran, quite a few countries protested formally, including demands that Sweden change it's constitution to suit Islam.
Countries including Egypt, Pakistan, Iran, and Afghanistan have all issued protests and/or demands.
Silly people.

And that's a bad thing? I'm going to go ahead and say that wanting new laws and changes to existing laws to better suit their personal beliefs are lightyears ahead of blowing people up. In fact, while I usually dislike comparisons, how is that really any different from what EVERY advocacy group wants? Working within the system, instead of just saying "to hell with it" and strapping C-4 to your chest, is how disagreements are SUPPOSED to work. Isn't it enough to denounce violence, now everyone has to believe exactly what you believe?

 

[her209]

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Maybe you people should READ the articles you post before expounding on "Muslims" as one big social group. So far I see the anger coming from two sources, the Iranian government and Al-Qaeda...is it any surprise these two organizations are getting their panties in a bunch? Yet an organization of Muslim Swedes, probably more representative of the average Muslim, is DENOUNCING the threats. If you're trying to make a point about the average Muslim, I don't think it's the point you think you're making. Corruption of the Islamic faith is clearly a top down problem, which seems to always be the case with religions, and not only does it not seem to be coming from the average Muslim, it's pretty clear they ARE taking steps to improve things.

While most have denounced outright death threats, many of them have been demanding laws and such to deal with this "problem", and it wasn't just Iran, quite a few countries protested formally, including demands that Sweden change it's constitution to suit Islam.
Countries including Egypt, Pakistan, Iran, and Afghanistan have all issued protests and/or demands.
Silly people.

Yeah, its just as bad as trying to amend the Constitution to ban gay marriage or granting amnesty to the illegal immigrants.

 

[babylon5]

Originally posted by: Rainsford

Originally posted by: Sunner

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Maybe you people should READ the articles you post before expounding on "Muslims" as one big social group. So far I see the anger coming from two sources, the Iranian government and Al-Qaeda...is it any surprise these two organizations are getting their panties in a bunch? Yet an organization of Muslim Swedes, probably more representative of the average Muslim, is DENOUNCING the threats. If you're trying to make a point about the average Muslim, I don't think it's the point you think you're making. Corruption of the Islamic faith is clearly a top down problem, which seems to always be the case with religions, and not only does it not seem to be coming from the average Muslim, it's pretty clear they ARE taking steps to improve things.

While most have denounced outright death threats, many of them have been demanding laws and such to deal with this "problem", and it wasn't just Iran, quite a few countries protested formally, including demands that Sweden change it's constitution to suit Islam.
Countries including Egypt, Pakistan, Iran, and Afghanistan have all issued protests and/or demands.
Silly people.

And that's a bad thing? I'm going to go ahead and say that wanting new laws and changes to existing laws to better suit their personal beliefs are lightyears ahead of blowing people up. In fact, while I usually dislike comparisons, how is that really any different from what EVERY advocacy group wants? Working within the system, instead of just saying "to hell with it" and strapping C-4 to your chest, is how disagreements are SUPPOSED to work. Isn't it enough to denounce violence, now everyone has to believe exactly what you believe?

This one for you: Not blowing people up and NOT forcing West to bow down to religious nuts is really lightyears ahead of affirming fantasy religions. Why should the West limit freedom of speech just because some religious groups demand so?

These religious nuts aren't working within our system. They are TAKING DOWN our system from the inside. Don't be confused 🙁