Why do mobiles suck so much?

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scaramoosh

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Who isn't the 920 anything but under powered? It's basically the same chip as a GS3 but missing 2 cores and the GPU in it sucks... the GS3's beefed up Mali 400 wasn't exactly great. It's sad when the GPU in the iPhone 5 is like the best you you can get right no win a modern smart phone.
 

Zaap

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Ah. One of these.

OP is one of those people that insists nothing is good enough because (of course) everything sucks. Gets off on people taking the bait and over-justifying their choices for the OP's amusement.

I just don't get what's in it for people on either side of this little game- either the insisting everything sucks routine, or the need of anyone to play along.
 

Strk

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Who isn't the 920 anything but under powered? It's basically the same chip as a GS3 but missing 2 cores and the GPU in it sucks... the GS3's beefed up Mali 400 wasn't exactly great. It's sad when the GPU in the iPhone 5 is like the best you you can get right no win a modern smart phone.

You may want to look up a few things. The GS3 actually comes in a couple of variants. The one you get is a quad-core A9 chip. The US gets a dual-core A15 based chip. The Lumia gets the latter version. A dual-core A15 is more powerful than a quad-core A9.

Do a little research before you go telling everyone how wrong they are.
 

cl-scott

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I don't care if Flash is going away, I'm not a fanboi to anything and don't want to restrict myself, this is the whole point, I'm not taking sides.

However Flash is needed for web browsing right now, I've tried to use IOS devices but the amount of content I cannot view just makes those devices pointless. Desktop sites like BBCiPlayer, youtube or any porn site I might like to wank off to. I like to watch live steaming of Sky F1 because they bought the rights, I tried paying for it but they offered a lackluster service so now I view flash streams.

Flash is needed, any device without it is useless to me and that is why Android is key. Even if Jelly Bean doesn't come with it, you can still download it yourself.

None of which are particularly well suited to the mobile platform anyway. So maybe you should consider a netbook or ultrabook with Skype or something.
 

shortylickens

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BB 10.

I suspect that all of these features will be available if OP is patient.

BB10 does look nice, but unless they have some plan to bring back tons of people to their side, I dont know how many folks will ever experience it.
 

jimhsu

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You may want to look up a few things. The GS3 actually comes in a couple of variants. The one you get is a quad-core A9 chip. The US gets a dual-core A15 based chip. The Lumia gets the latter version. A dual-core A15 is more powerful than a quad-core A9.

Do a little research before you go telling everyone how wrong they are.

Well, it depends. The Exynos has better raw performance, but when it comes down to it, interface and OS choice matters far more. Android is simply less efficient in principle (simply because of the Java bytecode, though it depends on application).

PS I hope that's enough sources.

Editorial: Why A Snapdragon S4 Galaxy S III Is Awesome
May 31, 2012 Conan Kudo

Yesterday, we found out the full specifications of the Galaxy S III for AT&T and T-Mobile USA. And many of you were disappointed that T-Mobile’s version will have the dual-core Snapdragon S4 instead of the quad-core Exynos 4 SoC (system on a chip), even though the T-Mobile version will have 2GB of RAM instead of the 1GB amount in the international model. However, I see it as a good thing for us.

Obviously, having 2GB of RAM instead of 1GB of RAM means that Android can manage more in memory at once more quickly. What isn’t often mentioned is that this benefit offers a performance increase that is greater than having more CPU cores, since the Dalvik VM can aggressively manage memory better than it can handle threading and delegating threads to multiple CPU cores. Plus, more CPU cores takes more power, which eats away at battery quite a bit. More RAM with a dual-core processor instead of less RAM and a quad-core processor will offer far greater benefits on a smartphone. As for the CPU type, let me explain why I am of the opinion that the Snapdragon S4 is better than the Exynos 4.

As many know, there are many different ARM chips used by device makers. Texas Instruments makes the OMAP series, Samsung makes the Exynos series, Qualcomm makes the Snapdragon series, ST-Ericsson makes the Nova and NovaThor series, and Apple makes the A series.

By and large, most of the CPU component of these chips are the same, with the exception of Qualcomm. OMAP 4, Exynos 4, Nova/NovaThor, and the A5/A5x are all ARM Cortex-A9 CPUs. That means that they are all virtually identical in performance. At one level or another, most people generally recognize this, which is why we focus so much on the GPU rather than the CPU in an SoC.

Let’s focus purely on the CPU for the moment. Most ARM chipmakers have to use designs provided by ARM for the CPU cores. What the chipmakers get to decide is how the system chip is actually laid out and what interactions to optimize (I/O, caching, etc.). This means that there isn’t a lot for most chipmakers to optimize beyond the interactions with the CPU and external components. NVIDIA takes this to the extreme with the Tegra architecture by making interactions between the CPU and the GPU extremely efficient for gaming.

Qualcomm is special because it has a license from ARM to develop its own CPU core technology based on ARM designs and instruction sets. Basically, it can cherry-pick the best features and optimize at every level. The result is that the Qualcomm Snapdragon of a particular generation will crush all competitors of that generation.

Snapdragon S2 and S3 use the Scorpion core, which takes some of the best features of both Cortex-A8 and Cortex-A9 ARM core designs and brings them into a single ARM core. That’s why the Scorpion core is very competitive to Exynos 3 (aka Hummingbird), OMAP 3, and other Cortex-A8 based SoCs. It also fared surprisingly well against many dual-core Cortex-A9 based SoCs like the Exynos 4 and the OMAP 4.

Snapdragon S4 uses the Krait core, which takes the best features of the Cortex-A9 and the Cortex-A15 ARM core designs with a much better manufacturing process to produce smaller chips that are far more power efficient and deliver amazing amounts of performance compared to its competitors (which are Cortex-A9 based). This is why dual-core Snapdragon S4 devices can go toe to toe with the quad-core Tegra 3 and Exynos 4 on the CPU front. At the same time, because of the massively improved power efficiency, CPUs using Krait cores will consume so much less power than Cortex-A9 CPUs that the amount of battery life improvement can be measured in several hours for active use and days for standby usage.

On the GPU side, the performance gap is a lot closer. The Adreno 225 is essentially the same GPU that was included in the Snapdragon S3 except with a few spec bumps and a doubling of the clock speed for the GPU cores. Though, a lot of bottlenecks were also eliminated in the new SoC arrangement in the Snapdragon S4. The result of this is that the performance of the Adreno 225 on a screen of 1024×600 resolution beats out all competitors except for the iPhone 4S performance wise (all competitors measured are pushing at lower resolutions, meaning the GPUs would perform much worse against the Adreno at the same resolution the Adreno is benched at). And even then, adjusting the Adreno 225 to push out at the same resolution as the iPhone 4S would make it surpass the GPU used in the iPhone 4S (the PowerVR SGX543MP2). With that in mind, I believe that the Adreno 225 is more than satisfactory for the Galaxy S III. Would I like a more powerful GPU? You bet. The Adreno 320 coming this fall to Snapdragon S4 is a total redesign for Adreno and is considerably more powerful, but I think nearly everyone will be fine with the performance the Galaxy S III will have with the Adreno 225.

If you don’t believe me, you can check out the benchmarks yourself.

Of course, the Snapdragon S4 also includes an integrated modem onto the chip, which means that Wi-Fi, Bluetooth, FM radio, 2G GSM, HSPA+, and LTE are all controlled by a single chip. Having two chips as opposed to five or six chips (as required for several other solutions) means that even less power is required to actually use all these radios. Given how power-hungry radios can get, any form of reduction in power usage will be great. As of right now, only Qualcomm’s modem is certified for DC-HSPA (HSPA+42) on the T-Mobile network. Perhaps next year, ST-Ericsson’s Thor M7300 and M7400 modems will be validated for use on T-Mobile’s HSPA+42 and upcoming LTE networks. When that happens, we’ll see more diversity for SoCs on high end devices.

But if you are thinking that other carriers will get SoCs other than Qualcomm’s in the future, you’d probably be wrong. Most LTE modems do not support U.S. Digital Dividend frequencies, which means the LTE networks of AT&T, Verizon Wireless, and most regional carriers will be stuck with Qualcomm’s modems. T-Mobile can use non-Qualcomm LTE modems because the AWS band T-Mobile is using is a standardized band that is well-supported. Verizon Wireless, Sprint, and most regional carriers operate CDMA2000 networks, which means they have no choice but to use Qualcomm’s modems, since no one else makes CDMA2000 modems because Qualcomm owns all the IP rights to the cdmaOne/CDMA2000 technologies. Maybe once CDMA2000/LTE carriers start offering devices that don’t support CDMA2000, then we’ll see non-Qualcomm Snapdragon LTE devices on those networks, provided that U.S. Digital Dividend, ESMR+Cellular 850, and Extended U.S. PCS bands are all supported by non-Qualcomm modems by then.

While it is technically possible to implement a multi-chip solution separating the system chip from the modem chip, it usually isn’t worth it unless you have a specialized platform (or it is a tablet and you have the space to spare). Apple and Motorola take this route, but the cost is heavy. They lose quite a bit of internal space to having more chips to represent the SoC. It also worsens battery life as more chips must be powered by the battery. They only do it because of CDMA2000 support. Motorola does it with OMAP4, a 3G Qualcomm modem, and an in-house LTE radio chip. Apple does it with its in-house A-series chip and a Qualcomm modem.

For the foreseeable future, I think Qualcomm’s Snapdragon SoCs will dominate the non-Apple LTE device ecosystem. It will change over time as legacy technologies are phased out (in particular, CDMA2000) so that other modem chip makers can have their modems on the network, but for now, we’re going to have to deal with it. At least it is quite the enjoyable ride!
 
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mammador

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Mobiles to me are wicked. :thumbsup:

Then again, as with any computer, needs are subjective (granted, needs are subjective in life in general).

I personally don't have have never cared about camera/picture quality. The point of a smartphone is a computer on the go, so I value e-mail connectivity (with all common TCP/IP e-mail protocols), web browsing, number of apps available, general feel/use of touchscreen, etc.

I bought the Motorola Motosmart yesterday as a cheap work phone, and even though it's not meant to be in SIII or iPhone 5 territory, it handles well to me on my aforecited points.