Why Do Liberals Like You, Al Franken, Hate America?

Perknose

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Al's answer:

"Liberals like me love America. We just love America in a different way. You love America like a 4-year-old loves his mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad and helping your loved one grow. Love takes attention and work and is the best thing in the world. That's why we liberals want America to do the right thing. We know America is the hope of the world, and we love it and want it to do well. We also want it to do good."
 

ThePresence

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I think I'm about to be overwhelmed with tears.
While he certainly has a way with words, I think the guy is a complete waste of perfectly good airspace.
 
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Liberals have got to be the most intellectual insecure people. It seems they need to constantly reaffirm each other all the time that they're smart and everyone else is dumb.

But who am I to ruin your fantasy...proceed.
 

Orsorum

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Liberals have got to be the most intellectual insecure people. It seems they need to constantly reaffirm each other all the time that they're smart and everyone else is dumb.

But who am I to ruin your fantasy...proceed.

Conservatives have got to be the most unintellectually insecure people. It seems they need to constantly attack liberals all the time to prove that they're smarter and everyone else is stupid.

rolleye.gif
 

conjur

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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Liberals have got to be the most intellectual insecure people. It seems they need to constantly reaffirm each other all the time that they're smart and everyone else is dumb.

But who am I to ruin your fantasy...proceed.

Conservatives have got to be the most unintellectually insecure people. It seems they need to constantly attack liberals all the time to prove that they're smarter and everyone else is stupid.

rolleye.gif

werd

And, toss in that holier-than-thou, I'm-a-Christian-so-I-know-better attitude.
 
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Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Liberals have got to be the most intellectual insecure people. It seems they need to constantly reaffirm each other all the time that they're smart and everyone else is dumb.

But who am I to ruin your fantasy...proceed.

Conservatives have got to be the most unintellectually insecure people. It seems they need to constantly attack liberals all the time to prove that they're smarter and everyone else is stupid.

rolleye.gif

You tell me why the hell he posted that if not just to have something to spank it to.
 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Al's <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/23/readersopinions/franken-questions.html" target=blank>answer:</a>

"Liberals like me love America. We just love America in a different way. You love America like a 4-year-old loves his mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad and helping your loved one grow. Love takes attention and work and is the best thing in the world. That's why we liberals want America to do the right thing. We know America is the hope of the world, and we love it and want it to do well. We also want it to do good."
:beer:

Very nicely said. I really need to buy his latest book one of these days.
 

Perknose

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Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor Liberals have got to be the most intellectual insecure people. It seems they need to constantly reaffirm each other all the time that they're smart and everyone else is dumb. But who am I to ruin your fantasy...proceed.
Conservatives have got to be the most unintellectually insecure people. It seems they need to constantly attack liberals all the time to prove that they're smarter and everyone else is stupid.
rolleye.gif
You tell me why the hell he posted that if not just to have something to spank it to.

Listen, Zero, you little shlt, if I could get your mouth off of my dick for even two minutes, the only thing I'd do is wash it. :|
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor Liberals have got to be the most intellectual insecure people. It seems they need to constantly reaffirm each other all the time that they're smart and everyone else is dumb. But who am I to ruin your fantasy...proceed.
Conservatives have got to be the most unintellectually insecure people. It seems they need to constantly attack liberals all the time to prove that they're smarter and everyone else is stupid.
rolleye.gif
You tell me why the hell he posted that if not just to have something to spank it to.

Listen, Zero, you little shlt, if I could get your mouth off of my dick for even two minutes, the only thing I'd do is wash it. :|

I'm pretty sure anyone else would get a vacation for that. Perhaps Elite members are exempt.
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor Liberals have got to be the most intellectual insecure people. It seems they need to constantly reaffirm each other all the time that they're smart and everyone else is dumb. But who am I to ruin your fantasy...proceed.
Conservatives have got to be the most unintellectually insecure people. It seems they need to constantly attack liberals all the time to prove that they're smarter and everyone else is stupid.
rolleye.gif
You tell me why the hell he posted that if not just to have something to spank it to.

Listen, Zero, you little shlt, if I could get your mouth off of my dick for even two minutes, the only thing I'd do is wash it. :|

I'm pretty sure anyone else would get a vacation for that. Perhaps Elite members are exempt.

Elite members who can track people's IPs? Hmm....

CkG
 

alchemize

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Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY
Originally posted by: alchemize
Originally posted by: Perknose
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor
Originally posted by: Orsorum
Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor Liberals have got to be the most intellectual insecure people. It seems they need to constantly reaffirm each other all the time that they're smart and everyone else is dumb. But who am I to ruin your fantasy...proceed.
Conservatives have got to be the most unintellectually insecure people. It seems they need to constantly attack liberals all the time to prove that they're smarter and everyone else is stupid.
rolleye.gif
You tell me why the hell he posted that if not just to have something to spank it to.

Listen, Zero, you little shlt, if I could get your mouth off of my dick for even two minutes, the only thing I'd do is wash it. :|

I'm pretty sure anyone else would get a vacation for that. Perhaps Elite members are exempt.

Elite members who can track people's IPs? Hmm....

CkG
Well, I think it is another quaint example of the kind and tolerant liberal with their homosexual slurs, and how ironic that in a thread about acting like an adult, the OP acts like a child :)
 

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Actually liberals love America---Right wing republicans hate america--they hate our servicemen and women because they send them to IRaq as sacrifical fodder to a fake contrived war. They really do despise America.
 

Orsorum

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I contend that both liberals and conservatives love America, they just have different ideas as to how to make it better. : )
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: rextilleon
Actually liberals love America---Right wing republicans hate america--they hate our servicemen and women because they send them to IRaq as sacrifical fodder to a fake contrived war. They really do despise America.

*hands cookie to troll*

CkG
 

Moonbeam

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In my opinion, conservatives are very often good people who also often lack fundamental understanding. The four year old thingi has some truth. When we were young we were told to obey without question because we were too young to ask the pertinent questions and digest the complexities of explanation. Unfortunately, a lot of people get frozen there because blind obedience and the fear and punishment with which it is often instilled become a crutch and substitute for real parental education. As you develop you are supposed to question and there a temptation to beat that out and demand continued conformity. So the critical questioning ability needed for self development becomes atrophied. And so at an age when you shouldn't have to love honor and obey mindlessly, that attitude gets frozen and the self respect that should go with being a critical adult gets shifted onto self praise for conformity. But good little children don't make good adults As you grow you are supposed to develop more and more a critical analysis or perception of grays. Things are not black or white but black and white thinking is profoundly appealing. It removes personal responsibility while providing a substitute, obedience to a higher responsibility. Trouble is, there is no higher responsibility than that which you must create as an adult through the application of active questioning.

This attitude carries over to politics and the phenomenon of political conformity. Conservatives tend to flock in a 'save the status quo' mode. They are both authoritarian and aligned with authority because of this parental obedience thing. They are the good children who obey and flatter their parents to get positive attention because they had the kind of parents who demanded it. There are, of course those liberals who are simply in revolution to that very same kind of authority, but there are also liberals and conservatives who are more generally free from this kind of polarity. They see more shades of gray.

Forced conformity, the authoritarian raising of children, the parental attitude that demands obedience and subservience, however in inculcated by force. The child's natural inclination is to question. When this is beaten out of a child, that child learns to hate with the same force as those beatings. Such a child sees those who break rules, liberal relativists, as hateful and evil, because one was beaten for being like them. A liberal is a threat to the parent who rules by authority and to the obedient child. Questioning is not tolerated. Questioning brings punishment, hate and therefore is hate. A liberal hates America because he forces the conservative to feel how he was hated when he questioned authority.
 

alchemize

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Yes, moonbeam, we all know how well no morals and freedom from authority raises a child. Look in any ghetto and any trailerpark.
 

Shad0hawK

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Perknose
Al's <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/23/readersopinions/franken-questions.html" target=blank>answer:</a>

"Liberals like me love America. We just love America in a different way. You love America like a 4-year-old loves his mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad and helping your loved one grow. Love takes attention and work and is the best thing in the world. That's why we liberals want America to do the right thing. We know America is the hope of the world, and we love it and want it to do well. We also want it to do good."
:beer:

Very nicely said. I really need to buy his latest book one of these days.

i agree!(in form but not substance) keeping the terminology on a 2nd grader's comprehension level makes sure most liberals understand what he is trying to say.

the mark of a good speaker is how well he reaches his audience after all...

;)

 

Bowfinger

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Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Perknose
Al's <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/23/readersopinions/franken-questions.html" target=blank>answer:</a>

"Liberals like me love America. We just love America in a different way. You love America like a 4-year-old loves his mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad and helping your loved one grow. Love takes attention and work and is the best thing in the world. That's why we liberals want America to do the right thing. We know America is the hope of the world, and we love it and want it to do well. We also want it to do good."
:beer:

Very nicely said. I really need to buy his latest book one of these days.

i agree!(in form but not substance) keeping the terminology on a 2nd grader's comprehension level makes sure most liberals understand what he is trying to say.

the mark of a good speaker is how well he reaches his audience after all...

;)
Eureka! That explains why Republicans are so drawn to Bush. He babbles at your level.

;)
 

XNice

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In my opinion, conservatives are very often good people who also often lack fundamental understanding. The four year old thingi has some truth. When we were young we were told to obey without question because we were too young to ask the pertinent questions and digest the complexities of explanation. Unfortunately, a lot of people get frozen there because blind obedience and the fear and punishment with which it is often.....

I cosign....Someone give this man 2 MF'in :beer: 's!
 

CADsortaGUY

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Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Shad0hawK
Originally posted by: Bowfinger
Originally posted by: Perknose
Al's <a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://www.nytimes.com/2004/03/23/readersopinions/franken-questions.html" target=blank>answer:</a>

"Liberals like me love America. We just love America in a different way. You love America like a 4-year-old loves his mommy. Liberals love America like grown-ups. To a 4-year-old, everything Mommy does is wonderful and anyone who criticizes Mommy is bad. Grown-up love means actually understanding what you love, taking the good with the bad and helping your loved one grow. Love takes attention and work and is the best thing in the world. That's why we liberals want America to do the right thing. We know America is the hope of the world, and we love it and want it to do well. We also want it to do good."
:beer:

Very nicely said. I really need to buy his latest book one of these days.

i agree!(in form but not substance) keeping the terminology on a 2nd grader's comprehension level makes sure most liberals understand what he is trying to say.

the mark of a good speaker is how well he reaches his audience after all...

;)
Eureka! That explains why Republicans are so drawn to Bush. He babbles at your level.

;)

Are democrats then drawn to kerry because of his doublespeak? ;)

CkG
 

XNice

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it's just a see saw. You'll never hear the end of it. Plus do you really think you the public reallllly know whats goin on? No! Therefore arguing past a certain point is useless and will not enlighten anyone.

edit::sic
 

Draknor

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Originally posted by: alchemize
Yes, moonbeam, we all know how well no morals and freedom from authority raises a child. Look in any ghetto and any trailerpark.

Did you even bother to read Moonbeam's post?

If you did, can you understand that there is a difference between morals and freedom borne of love, and authority borne of fear? I think Moonbeam did an excellent job of summarizing the argument - conservatives like a strong, direct authority who sees things in black & white, while liberals prefer to see things in a few more shades of gray, with a little more of an open mind (hence the name - liberal: Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.

As for Perknose, while his post count may mark him as elite, the content of those posts seem to tell a different story. It must be annoying to have your trollish rant interrupted with some attempts at intelligent, rational discussion.
 

glenn1

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I don't believe that either liberals or conservatives hate America. They both have annoying habits though. Liberals tend to act like a nagging wife, quick to complain about how we don't take out the trash, give her enough money to shop with, make snide comments instead of offering constructive criticism, and generally just make a PITA of themselves. Conservatives are like your grandmother, trying to always lay that jewish mother guilt trip on you about having done anything fun and adventurous in your life, constantly complaining about how the kids today are so rotten, and pretending to be offended when they hear something they think is inappropriate on the trash tv show they chose to watch.

All in all, American politics is just bread and circuses, the new opiate of the educated masses to keep the people futilely engaged in a mortal battle with their "opponents," who are just a different flavor of the same beast. Conservatives and liberals alike are content fiddle while the republic burns down, so long as they're the ones in the White House when the fire is raging.