Why do i see so much ANTI PROFIT sentiment on AT Forums.

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Lifer
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there was that Vending Machine thread recently that got me thinking.


Just what is it that some people have against profit?

let's say a guy owns 20 Soda machines. let's say that each machine vends 30 sodas / day. each soda costs him aproximately 30 cents and he sells them for $1.00 a piece.

so thats 600 sodas / day @ 70 cents a piece.

How much of that do you consider to be profit?

let's take out what he pays the leasor of the location he has placed his machine at, now he's down to 60 cents a piece.

so let's use that number.

600 sodas / day @ 60 cents a piece = $360.00 per day. that's good money.

5 days a week, 4.3 weeks / month = $7740.00 / month. WOW, pretty good right? but how much of that is ACTUALLY profit? this guy has to deliver 6000 sodas to 20 locations each week. let's say he does it over the weekends, and it takes him 2 days. with driving time, filling up the machines, taking all the money out, it is unrealistic to say he can do it in one day.

so now he's spending 16 hrs per week. since that part is unskilled labor let's put a value of $10.00 / hour on that labor = $160 / week * 4.3 = $778.00 / month.

so he now is sitting at $7000.00 / month profit.

then he has mileage expenses, he had to either buy or lease the machines, so depreciation expenses.

when he's done, accounting wise, i'm not sure that he would show more than $1500 / month PROFIT for this litte enterprise.

would anyone consider that OBSCENE profit?


OTOH, I am on the road a LOT. So i buy a lot of soda's out of vending machines. DO i ever resent these vending companies their "profit" or do i see it as a valuable service they are providing me?

without question. i have NO problems paying the extra 70 cents a soda to get the soda COLD. My alternative would be to buy them cheap at Costco, buy myself a refrigeration unit that i can keep in my car and load it up every morning.

anyway. just another stupid rant i guess, but it pisses me off when people overlook costs and rag on so called "profits".
 

A close family member of mine fills those vending machines, his hourly rate is $16 plus benefits, don't forget gas at $2 a gallon plus the cost of the truck and maintenance.

It adds up quickly people.
 

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Originally posted by: Roger
A close family member of mine fills those vending machines, his hourly rate is $16 plus benefits, don't forget gas at $2 a gallon plus the cost of the truck and maintenance.

It adds up quickly people.

ya, i tried to say on the low end.

i agree tho, no way you could pay someone less that $16.00 / hour plus benefits. WHY? if you don't pay them enough, they will just steal from you.
 

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How can someone get paid $16/hr plus benefits JUST to stock vending machines? Seems really outrageous
 

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Originally posted by: dquan97
How can someone get paid $16/hr plus benefits JUST to stock vending machines? Seems really outrageous

think about it. it's a cash business. the likelihood of someone running off with all the money is HIGH, so you have to pay them enough to make it a NON incentive.
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: dquan97
How can someone get paid $16/hr plus benefits JUST to stock vending machines? Seems really outrageous

Why not? If he's dependable, can fix and maintain the machines and lifts an incredible amount of soda cans each day, he's worth that much.

Hell, look how much unskilled union auto workers start at.
 

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Originally posted by: dquan97
How can someone get paid $16/hr plus benefits JUST to stock vending machines? Seems really outrageous

Does it even take an hour to take stock one vending machine:).
 

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Originally posted by: dquan97
How can someone get paid $16/hr plus benefits JUST to stock vending machines? Seems really outrageous

Lets say, you have to load and unload all those sodas, candy, etc. then deal with a bunch of people that got ripped off from the vending machine. Then you hear them complain about the outrageous price for one soda stating they can goto Costco and buy 12 pack for this price yet they continue to feed the vending machines. Thats just one station, and then you go onto the next station and start all over again and again, 8 hrs a day.
 

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I myself was in the vending machine business briefly. However, the problem arose in location conflicts, where some companies have established sites and would "discourage" competition. Also, some companies have larger contracts and can afford to pay more than I can for certain attractive locations. Finally, the large initial investments and low rates of returns for untested sites, forced me to reconsider my business plan.

I probably will return to it at a later time, when I have a larger initial investment and have obtained contracts for certain locations.
 

How can someone get paid $16/hr plus benefits JUST to stock vending machines? Seems really outrageous

Let's see you lug 10 cases of soda up three flights of stairs every single hour of every work day, plus let's not forget loading the truck in the morning, dealing with traffic and customers and then hauling heavy bags of change back to the shop.
 

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I have no problem with people providing a valuable service and getting compensated for it. If people are willingly paying for cold sodas, then what is the problem?
 

Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dquan97
How can someone get paid $16/hr plus benefits JUST to stock vending machines? Seems really outrageous

Why not? If he's dependable, can fix and maintain the machines and lifts an incredible amount of soda cans each day, he's worth that much.

Hell, look how much unskilled union auto workers start at.
Heh, I lifted cases and cases of soda twice a week at my old job at a country club. The pro shop would get an order of pop totalling about $800-$900 directly from Coca-Cola, and they would only hand truck it to our doorstep; we would have to take it to the back room. I probably lifted 700-800 pounds of pop on those days.

The most I ever got paid at that job was $8.50/hr. (I started at $5.25/hr.). Of course, the free pop and candy for employees was a nice benefit. I stayed there for four years. :)
 

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I agree. In reality if you don't like it, and it's not something you need to live, then don't buy it. Do I think it's GROSSLY OBSCENE to charge $3.50 for a drink of soda at a movie theater? Maybe, but I'd do it if I ran one. And, if I don't like it (which I don't), I'll make up for that by bringing in my own candy :)
 

Amused

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Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dquan97
How can someone get paid $16/hr plus benefits JUST to stock vending machines? Seems really outrageous

Why not? If he's dependable, can fix and maintain the machines and lifts an incredible amount of soda cans each day, he's worth that much.

Hell, look how much unskilled union auto workers start at.
Heh, I lifted cases and cases of soda twice a week at my old job at a country club. The pro shop would get an order of pop totalling about $800-$900 directly from Coca-Cola, and they would only hand truck it to our doorstep; we would have to take it to the back room. I probably lifted 700-800 pounds of pop on those days.

The most I ever got paid at that job was $8.50/hr. Of course, the free pop and candy for employees was a nice benefit. I stayed there for four years. :)

Did you have the technical ability to fix machines at the club? Could you be trusted to visit dozens of sites on a daily basis, and collect thousands of dollars in cash and change?
 

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Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dquan97
How can someone get paid $16/hr plus benefits JUST to stock vending machines? Seems really outrageous

Why not? If he's dependable, can fix and maintain the machines and lifts an incredible amount of soda cans each day, he's worth that much.

Hell, look how much unskilled union auto workers start at.
Heh, I lifted cases and cases of soda twice a week at my old job at a country club. The pro shop would get an order of pop totalling about $800-$900 directly from Coca-Cola, and they would only hand truck it to our doorstep; we would have to take it to the back room. I probably lifted 700-800 pounds of pop on those days.

The most I ever got paid at that job was $8.50/hr. (I started at $5.25/hr.). Of course, the free pop and candy for employees was a nice benefit. I stayed there for four years. :)

i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you know that stocking as you described is NOTHING at all like running a vending machine route.
 

Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dquan97
How can someone get paid $16/hr plus benefits JUST to stock vending machines? Seems really outrageous

Why not? If he's dependable, can fix and maintain the machines and lifts an incredible amount of soda cans each day, he's worth that much.

Hell, look how much unskilled union auto workers start at.
Heh, I lifted cases and cases of soda twice a week at my old job at a country club. The pro shop would get an order of pop totalling about $800-$900 directly from Coca-Cola, and they would only hand truck it to our doorstep; we would have to take it to the back room. I probably lifted 700-800 pounds of pop on those days.

The most I ever got paid at that job was $8.50/hr. (I started at $5.25/hr.). Of course, the free pop and candy for employees was a nice benefit. I stayed there for four years. :)

i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you know that stocking as you described is NOTHING at all like running a vending machine route.
Of course, but I was just giving ATOT an example of doing heavy lifting for (comparatively) sh!tty money. I have no clue how to fix vending machines, nor did I ever have to drive a route.
 

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Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: PlatinumGold
Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: Amused
Originally posted by: dquan97
How can someone get paid $16/hr plus benefits JUST to stock vending machines? Seems really outrageous

Why not? If he's dependable, can fix and maintain the machines and lifts an incredible amount of soda cans each day, he's worth that much.

Hell, look how much unskilled union auto workers start at.
Heh, I lifted cases and cases of soda twice a week at my old job at a country club. The pro shop would get an order of pop totalling about $800-$900 directly from Coca-Cola, and they would only hand truck it to our doorstep; we would have to take it to the back room. I probably lifted 700-800 pounds of pop on those days.

The most I ever got paid at that job was $8.50/hr. (I started at $5.25/hr.). Of course, the free pop and candy for employees was a nice benefit. I stayed there for four years. :)

i'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you know that stocking as you described is NOTHING at all like running a vending machine route.
Of course, but I was just giving ATOT an example of doing heavy lifting for (comparatively) sh!tty money. I have no clue how to fix vending machines, nor did I ever have to drive a route.

So, back to your other thread. EXACTLY how are vending machines a RIPOFF?? it's not like you are forced to buy from them. it's not like car insurance or taxes or anything like that. you DO have a choice. so do you want to explain again why you think Vending machines are a ripoff?
 

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The hot deals attitude has infected many with the feeling that retailers MUST sell things to you at cost. But yet, these are the same people that will turn around and try to sell something at double what they paid for it.

Hello pot, meet kettle.
 

CPA

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A lot of the attitude stems from this prevailing tide of thought in this country: "Steal from Peter to pay Paul"

It's the quasi-socialist mentality that many americans have bought into. Big Corporations are Evil, Government is Benevolent. Corporations are out to make a profit, Government is not.

It makes me quite nauceaus.
 

Originally posted by: vi_edit
Hello pot, meet kettle.
Hi there. :D

Seriously though. I'm not getting ripped off by vending machines unless I buy from them, and that holds true for everyone. My definition of ripoff is a product that's available for sale elsewhere for an obscenely smaller sum of money. Your definition may be different, but to me, soda machines are ripoffs.

 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: vi_edit
The hot deals attitude has infected many with the feeling that retailers MUST sell things to you at cost. But yet, these are the same people that will turn around and try to sell something at double what they paid for it.

Hello pot, meet kettle.

it's not JUST that, it's also the attitude that paying more than WHOLESALE costs make you some kind of idiot.

ME i have NO problems paying for services that are provided to me, just as i expect to be paid for services i provide.

 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: jumpr
Originally posted by: vi_edit
Hello pot, meet kettle.
Hi there. :D

Seriously though. I'm not getting ripped off by vending machines unless I buy from them, and that holds true for everyone. My definition of ripoff is a product that's available for sale elsewhere for an obscenely smaller sum of money. Your definition may be different, but to me, soda machines are ripoffs.

and this is where your ignorance is truly showing.

IT'S NOT THE SAME PRODUCT. WHEN will you get that thru your head.

 

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Lifer
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Originally posted by: CPA
A lot of the attitude stems from this prevailing tide of thought in this country: "Steal from Peter to pay Paul"

It's the quasi-socialist mentality that many americans have bought into. Big Corporations are Evil, Government is Benevolent. Corporations are out to make a profit, Government is not.

It makes me quite nauceaus.

well corporations aren't completely innocent. some of the payoffs these CEO's get for running their companies in the ground IS obscene. there is corruption in large corporations just like there is in ANY large organization. it's inevitable.