Why do I interview people at all?

[Vic Vega]

I have two back fills on my team to address. I have conducted several interviews, some good, some bad and given my recommendations to the hiring manager. Time goes by, and suddenly we have two new team members - both are internal transfers from different departments. They were interviewed by management, but not by engineers. It's plain to see why the engineers were left out, we would have simply said, "No way in hell are we hiring these two, they aren't engineers." These people are not engineers... but, now we have them to fill the gap left by two senior engineers. Riiiight.

 

[Ns1]

wow, fail.

 

[Jaepheth]

pffft... anyone can learn engineering, but not everyone can acquire good interviewing skills.

 

[96Firebird]

They get paid less than engineers.

 

[Jeff7]

Looks like my company's not the only place where the engineers merely offer opinions and suggestions that don't always seem to carry very much weight.

 

[Lonyo]

pffft... anyone can learn engineering, but not everyone can acquire good interviewing skills.

Too true.
Usually it's not about your actual skills, but how you convey yourself.
Skills don't get you a job.
(Well, maybe not anyone can learn engineering)

 

[PowerYoga]

How about my company? Had a perfect candidate that was rejected "because his GPA was too low". Uh, hello, 15 years in the industry with tons of experience not good enough?

Why the fuck do I bother, just hire another dumb shit like they always do. Not going to help train idiots.

 

[EagleKeeper]

How about my company? Had a perfect candidate that was rejected "because his GPA was too low". Uh, hello, 15 years in the industry with tons of experience not good enough?

Why the fuck do I bother, just hire another dumb shit like they always do. Not going to help train idiots.

Uncle Sam was not interested in my GPA.

Never put it on another application nor provided a transcript.

You now pay for my experience and potential to expand your business; not my education:thumbsdown:

 

[Train]

I have two back fills on my team to address. I have conducted several interviews, some good, some bad and given my recommendations to the hiring manager. Time goes by, and suddenly we have two new team members - both are internal transfers from different departments. They were interviewed by management, but not by engineers. It's plain to see why the engineers were left out, we would have simply said, "No way in hell are we hiring these two, they aren't engineers." These people are not engineers... but, now we have them to fill the gap left by two senior engineers. Riiiight.

So go say what you WOULD have said. "No way in hell are we hiring these two, they aren't engineers."

I imagine I would go to a higher up and say something along the lines of "you can't put two unqualified people in the place of two senior engineers, it will cost you more than you are saving"

Speak in money, higher ups understand this.

 

[gorcorps]

How about my company? Had a perfect candidate that was rejected "because his GPA was too low". Uh, hello, 15 years in the industry with tons of experience not good enough?

Why the fuck do I bother, just hire another dumb shit like they always do. Not going to help train idiots.

That sucks. My company has a GPA "suggestion" but don't discount because of that alone. Especially if the person has experience in the same field.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

So go say what you WOULD have said. "No way in hell are we hiring these two, they aren't engineers."

I imagine I would go to a higher up and say something along the lines of "you can't put two unqualified people in the place of two senior engineers, it will cost you more than you are saving"

Speak in money, higher ups understand this.

Silly Train, management will simply tell him he's "not a team player and if he can't do the job, they'll find someone who can."

I work for an organization who thinks knowing how the organization works is way more important than any knowledge of what they do.

 

[CountZero]

How about my company? Had a perfect candidate that was rejected "because his GPA was too low". Uh, hello, 15 years in the industry with tons of experience not good enough?

Why the fuck do I bother, just hire another dumb shit like they always do. Not going to help train idiots.

WTH kind of company even asks for GPA at 15 years experience or hell even 3+ years experience. That is odd, I haven't had my GPA on my resume since I graduated.

 

[Train]

Silly Train, management will simply tell him he's "not a team player and if he can't do the job, they'll find someone who can."

I work for an organization who thinks knowing how the organization works is way more important than any knowledge of what they do.

I wouldn't stick around and be helpless like that. If they can't rely an a team members expertise, then they likely aren't a very well run company. Either that or you work for a govt entity.

 

[Jeff7]

So go say what you WOULD have said. "No way in hell are we hiring these two, they aren't engineers."

I imagine I would go to a higher up and say something along the lines of "you can't put two unqualified people in the place of two senior engineers, it will cost you more than you are saving"

Speak in money, higher ups understand this.

"But they're so much cheaper than real engineers."

"They won't produce usable or high-quality work, and will cost the company far more in lost productivity than they will save in
salary."

"But they're so much cheaper than real engineers."

 

[PowerYoga]

WTH kind of company even asks for GPA at 15 years experience or hell even 3+ years experience. That is odd, I haven't had my GPA on my resume since I graduated.

my dumbass company, that's what. Gets team lead and department VP approval, HR comes back and says "nope GPA too low". Dumb fucks.

 

[Kadarin]

I have two back fills on my team to address. I have conducted several interviews, some good, some bad and given my recommendations to the hiring manager. Time goes by, and suddenly we have two new team members - both are internal transfers from different departments. They were interviewed by management, but not by engineers. It's plain to see why the engineers were left out, we would have simply said, "No way in hell are we hiring these two, they aren't engineers." These people are not engineers... but, now we have them to fill the gap left by two senior engineers. Riiiight.

You should really start looking for a new job.

 

[MagnusTheBrewer]

I wouldn't stick around and be helpless like that. If they can't rely an a team members expertise, then they likely aren't a very well run company. Either that or you work for a govt entity.

Bingo.
They use phrases like "having a business mindset" whenever they want to get rid of someone but, they haven't changed the way they do business since God fucked the first private. Our last manager quit because she cares about doing a good job and caught flak for making decisions above and beyond her pay grade. Not that there was anyone in the appropriate slot or pay grade. I put up with the crap because I like what I do. I just don't like the people I do it for.

 

[Dumac]

Too true.
Usually it's not about your actual skills, but how you convey yourself.
Skills don't get you a job.
(Well, maybe not anyone can learn engineering)

You, your sweet words are really gonna help the product get out the door when you have no fucking clue how the product works or what it even is.

 

[kami333]

my dumbass company, that's what. Gets team lead and department VP approval, HR comes back and says "nope GPA too low". Dumb fucks.

Is GPA something they explicitly ask for? I've tossed a couple resumes that had low GPAs on them, not so much because they were low (mine was lower out of college) but because they were stupid enough to list it.

 

[Phoenix86]

So HR can say they tried.

 

[mshan]

At least in OP's case, might want to find out if division those new employees came from is being downsized by company now.

Morningstar economist Bob Johnson has previously said that large corporations have paused on hiring, but don't want to let anyone who has skills they might later want when business picks up (easy to fire, but might be difficult to later get replacement with proper skills company wanted), so they just stuck them in your division where management hopes that they can just get some productivity out of them for the salaries they draw.

 

[Koing]

my dumbass company, that's what. Gets team lead and department VP approval, HR comes back and says "nope GPA too low". Dumb fucks.

It's stupid after 3yrs let alone 15yrs experience!

Koing

 

[thestrangebrew1]

Happens all the time. Open position to the public with the bosses knowing full well who they intend to hire. The interview process today is usually a smokescreen, just to make it appear they are following guidelines, then BAAMMM you have a new employee who rubbed the bosses ass some time down the line and now they're trying to go up the ladder. I'd watch out, they may just become your boss in the future.