Why do I have to put up with this crap? (And students in general)

[Polish3d]

I guess the kind that employs crappy Philosophy teachers. They have a policy that you can upgrade 2 or 3 B's by one letter grade

I am looking forward to going to a better school next year

 

[Whaspe]

Originally posted by: Frackal
I guess the kind that employs crappy Philosophy teachers. They have a policy that you can upgrade 2 or 3 B's by one letter grade

I am looking forward to going to a better school next year

Good luck with that, I've been priviledged with only having PhD's teach my classes... that isn't to say some of them (for whatever reason it's the one that's about to retire) haven't been the all that enlightening. I had a Biochemistry prof who would continually discuss on end some important feature of protein structure only to be told he was using the wrong slide... he was a nice guy though, just a little past his prime.
If a school wants to achieve status as being a great institution to attend I think they would have tough controls in place to garantee only the best type of teachers are in their classrooms. However, when you get into the Arts I guess that becomes somewhat subjective

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: sandorski
shens

I'm glad you said so. It is an online hybrid class (through my school still but mainly online), and everything is in writing. My semester ends in a little over a month and I will post some of what was written.



I have had this kind of thing happen before and for teachers like this I no longer confront them. I've never had a teacher be quite so political, but two semesters ago I got into an argument with a teacher and thene eventually withdrew from the class and petioned and recieved a refund and a removal of the "W" grade from my record after submitting evidence showing blatantly purposeful unfair treatement. It isn't worth the fight in this case, I just do my work and refrain from responding to the political comments.

Are you sure you are not exaggerating? A communist supporting professor in the USA? The closest I know is Chomsky and even he does not support Communism, he just doesn't agree with US global policy.

He doesn't endorse the USSR, but specifically endorses Karl Marx's original vision as being superior to capitalism.

Many people will say that Marx's vision would be IDEAL. But thats not necessarily endorsing it for reality.

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Steeplerot

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Steeplerot
ummm, maybe because they don't buy foxnews tripe and is trying to undo some of the damage?

Does she straight up say communism? Or just lefty stuff?

Still got that reading comp issue?

Looks like you kneejerked without reading the thread, she was not a communist and Frakal stated this.

Even though he admitted this Frackal still has not changed the original post, kudos for kneejerking into feeding the troll.

Yep, still with the reading comp issue. The OP stated the prof was a "HE"!

"He endorses communism rails against capitalism"

 

[imported_Condor]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: sandorski
shens

I'm glad you said so. It is an online hybrid class (through my school still but mainly online), and everything is in writing. My semester ends in a little over a month and I will post some of what was written.



I have had this kind of thing happen before and for teachers like this I no longer confront them. I've never had a teacher be quite so political, but two semesters ago I got into an argument with a teacher and thene eventually withdrew from the class and petioned and recieved a refund and a removal of the "W" grade from my record after submitting evidence showing blatantly purposeful unfair treatement. It isn't worth the fight in this case, I just do my work and refrain from responding to the political comments.

Are you sure you are not exaggerating? A communist supporting professor in the USA? The closest I know is Chomsky and even he does not support Communism, he just doesn't agree with US global policy.

He doesn't endorse the USSR, but specifically endorses Karl Marx's original vision as being superior to capitalism.

Many people will say that Marx's vision would be IDEAL. But thats not necessarily endorsing it for reality.

The vision was ideal. What libs always miss is that the human factor has failed the system time and again. Take out the humans and it would fine, but wouldn't be needed.

 

[MicroChrome]

Oh so now your professor can't have a brain? Be glade they arn't trying to pump you full of religious BS.

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: Whaspe

Originally posted by: Frackal
Unfortunately Kibbo86 the motivation is not nearly so clever, this teacher enjoys being paid to discuss things, we do not delve deeply into any philosophy and spend the majority of the time "yacking."

Indeed, most of my teachers have been better. This teacher is not a doctor, and most teachers with a doctorate I've had have been fantastic.

He does not endorse USSR style communism, but pure Karl Marx style communism. He isn't authoritarian, (well no more than Robespierre was initially at least) but he is misusing his position.

I should add I am retaking this class to get the original B I recieved when I was less focused on a scholarship (2 years ago) upgraded to an A, and the first time I took it I had a fantastic teacher, a doctor, and the curriculum was totally different.

What kind of school let's you retake a class for a better mark when you got a B the first time? At the university I attend, only if you fail a course do you get to retake it and have the second one count. For anything better, the only way to upgrade is take to take a higher level course and get a better grade.

Well, the University of Maryland lets you do that... at least for graduate school. I'm not sure if undergrad can.

And, it sounds like Frackal has a crappy teacher. I've had my fair share. Just tell the prof what he wants to hear. After the semester make sure you give him/her a horrible review and tell all your freinds not to take his class.

 

[Jmman]

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: Whaspe

Originally posted by: Frackal
Unfortunately Kibbo86 the motivation is not nearly so clever, this teacher enjoys being paid to discuss things, we do not delve deeply into any philosophy and spend the majority of the time "yacking."

Indeed, most of my teachers have been better. This teacher is not a doctor, and most teachers with a doctorate I've had have been fantastic.

He does not endorse USSR style communism, but pure Karl Marx style communism. He isn't authoritarian, (well no more than Robespierre was initially at least) but he is misusing his position.

I should add I am retaking this class to get the original B I recieved when I was less focused on a scholarship (2 years ago) upgraded to an A, and the first time I took it I had a fantastic teacher, a doctor, and the curriculum was totally different.

What kind of school let's you retake a class for a better mark when you got a B the first time? At the university I attend, only if you fail a course do you get to retake it and have the second one count. For anything better, the only way to upgrade is take to take a higher level course and get a better grade.

Well, the University of Maryland lets you do that... at least for graduate school. I'm not sure if undergrad can.

And, it sounds like Frackal has a crappy teacher. I've had my fair share. Just tell the prof what he wants to hear. After the semester make sure you give him/her a horrible review and tell all your freinds not to take his class.

Well, my school does it even for undergrad. They call it the last grade stands policy. That being said, I have had similar experiences to the OP with Philosophy classes. I took a Business Ethics class and the teacher wasn't just liberal, she was a wacky, tree-huggin, Peta supportin lunatic. She actually was pretty nice on a personal level though. I just wrote what she was looking for, took my A, and went back to my science classes where the teachers are not so far removed from mainstream thought........

 

[NJDevil]

Originally posted by: Frackal

Originally posted by: NJDevil
Hey, I have a suggestion. If you hate "elite liberal" professors so much, don't go to the top schools in the country. I'm sure Yale, Harvard, Stanford, Columbia, Penn, etc. will miss your intelligent debate, but if that's the price they pay for having the smartest faculty in the world, then so be it.

I am currently taking several poly sci classes, and I go to one of these "elite" universities. Only in one class that I have had has the professor made any real quips about Bush (and it was a side remark). We are free to disagree with her about anything on our exams/papers as long as we back that up with political theory and empirical evidence. Any professor who grades on what view you are arguing for, instead of how you argue it is crap. I know of NONE at my University of over 9k undergrads. I believe there was some guy at Columbia who did something of the sort, but that is the only real evidence I have seen.

Top professors at top universities may be more liberal, but what does it matter if they don't project those views into their classes? They are smart enough to provoke thought among their students without resorting to endorsing one side or another.

What is with the conservative hatred of intellect?

This has almost nothing to do with the situation I described. There is nothing particularly intellectual about his using the classroom to rant about Bush and capitalism

I doubt you would view the right wing equivalent of this behavior positively

Typical left-wing "love it or leave it" attitude. Irony.

See the part where I said that in general, your situation doesn't exist at the "elite liberal" institutions. I agree that it sucks ... I get quite frustrated when my liberal professor makes unnecessary remarks. I actually meant to say that in my original response, but I simply forget.

Again, my point is that although this is a problem, it's not nearly as huge as conservatives would make you believe when they tout that 9/10 professor are liberals.

Sorry that you got stuck with an annoying professor.

 

[kogase]

Originally posted by: Condor
The vision was ideal. What libs always miss is that the human factor has failed the system time and again. Take out the humans and it would fine, but wouldn't be needed.

I don't think I've ever met any liberals who believed in Communism. There's another whole political affiliation that does though... I think they are called Communists.

 

[Shuxclams]

Originally posted by: Frackal
No, the teacher specifically states that communism is a superior to and preferable to capitalism.

And it is interesting to see you excuse this behavior with an expected and yet evermore tiresome remark about Fox news. I would find it just as inappropriate if my teacher were saying that John Kerry and the Democrats were liars, and that facism is better than capitalism. (In that context it sounds a little more serious doesn't it?)


I may complain, but obviously it will have to wait until the class ends as grading is entirely subjective based upon written work.

Well besides the fact that it is a fact that Communism is in no way superior to any form of goverment and has yet to prove itself as a real alternative to Democracy, Socialism, facism or anything short of Dictatroships, it is YOUR time in class. As much as I agree with her sentiment about how horrible and dishonest our Goverment is, it is your time and you should speak to her and let her know that you would like to keep the political speeches down and the learning up....



SHUX

 

[Proletariat]

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: Whaspe

Originally posted by: Frackal
Unfortunately Kibbo86 the motivation is not nearly so clever, this teacher enjoys being paid to discuss things, we do not delve deeply into any philosophy and spend the majority of the time "yacking."

Indeed, most of my teachers have been better. This teacher is not a doctor, and most teachers with a doctorate I've had have been fantastic.

He does not endorse USSR style communism, but pure Karl Marx style communism. He isn't authoritarian, (well no more than Robespierre was initially at least) but he is misusing his position.

I should add I am retaking this class to get the original B I recieved when I was less focused on a scholarship (2 years ago) upgraded to an A, and the first time I took it I had a fantastic teacher, a doctor, and the curriculum was totally different.

What kind of school let's you retake a class for a better mark when you got a B the first time? At the university I attend, only if you fail a course do you get to retake it and have the second one count. For anything better, the only way to upgrade is take to take a higher level course and get a better grade.

Well, the University of Maryland lets you do that... at least for graduate school. I'm not sure if undergrad can.

And, it sounds like Frackal has a crappy teacher. I've had my fair share. Just tell the prof what he wants to hear. After the semester make sure you give him/her a horrible review and tell all your freinds not to take his class.

Or, don't suck it up, just discuss with him in class.

I did that with a right-wing teacher, albeit politely, and he was very impressed.

 

[Gigantopithecus]

Originally posted by: Frackal

An Overview of Philosophy class.

You signed up for bullshit, what did you expect? :laugh:

 

[imported_tss4]

Originally posted by: Proletariat

Originally posted by: tss4

Originally posted by: Whaspe

Originally posted by: Frackal
Unfortunately Kibbo86 the motivation is not nearly so clever, this teacher enjoys being paid to discuss things, we do not delve deeply into any philosophy and spend the majority of the time "yacking."

Indeed, most of my teachers have been better. This teacher is not a doctor, and most teachers with a doctorate I've had have been fantastic.

He does not endorse USSR style communism, but pure Karl Marx style communism. He isn't authoritarian, (well no more than Robespierre was initially at least) but he is misusing his position.

I should add I am retaking this class to get the original B I recieved when I was less focused on a scholarship (2 years ago) upgraded to an A, and the first time I took it I had a fantastic teacher, a doctor, and the curriculum was totally different.

What kind of school let's you retake a class for a better mark when you got a B the first time? At the university I attend, only if you fail a course do you get to retake it and have the second one count. For anything better, the only way to upgrade is take to take a higher level course and get a better grade.

Well, the University of Maryland lets you do that... at least for graduate school. I'm not sure if undergrad can.

And, it sounds like Frackal has a crappy teacher. I've had my fair share. Just tell the prof what he wants to hear. After the semester make sure you give him/her a horrible review and tell all your freinds not to take his class.

Or, don't suck it up, just discuss with him in class.

I did that with a right-wing teacher, albeit politely, and he was very impressed.

sometimes you can, sometimes you can't. You have to look at the teacher and then decide how open they are to alternative viewpoints.