Why do Comcast techs hate my amp?

Markbnj

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I have an eight-port Electroline zero-loss return path amplifier as a powered splitter. This is a field-quality unit that is used by many cable plants across the U.S. It takes the incoming signal and gives it a +5 dbmv boost (I think it's +5, have to drag the specs out again to see for sure).

I've had Comcast guys out here from time to time, and they don't like it. Most recently I had a guy come out to terminate a new drop that they had buried in my front yard (without asking, cutting my dog fence and just missing a gas line) and then never hooked up (for a year). Finally I called and asked them why they buried a fat, shiny new coax line in my yard and then left me hooked up to the 20 year-old one? Next day this guy shows up. When he leaves I am on a conf. call and can't talk to him. He doesn't hook up the new cable because he says it is bad and needs to be replaced. He does leave me a note that reads as follows:

"You should take out the amp and replace it with a normal 8-way splitter. You have too much signal going to your cable modem and digital sets."

Ok, fair enough. He should know better than I. But here's the thing: he measured it in the basement, at the output, and at one set I have down there that is right next to the panel. All the rest of the sets in the house have a 30-50 foot cable run through multiple splitters. The cable modem itself has a 60-foot run through one high-quality splitter. If I bring up the diagnostic for the Webstar cable modem it reports the following:

Receive Power Level: -0.78 dBmV
Transmit Power Level: 40.00 dBmV

That's dead on according to my reading of the Docsis specs. Receive should be in the +/- 15 dBmV range. Transmit should be between 30 and 55 dBmV. This is also dead in where the Scientific Atlanta specs say it should be.

So is he just wrong, and not looking at the signal that matters (i.e. where it comes out the other end of a long run), or am I mis-informed and harming the quality of my own network by over-amping? Hey, could be either :).

 

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Think they are just being a pain in the butt. I had some decent splitters and when comcast came out he agreed that they were fine but if I ever did have a problem they would blame it on that. He replaced all of them. Had problems for months. My modem says I have

0 dbvv
40 dbvm

Also showed me how to go into the diagnostic mode for the comcast hd box.
Press the cable button, power button,ok(select) button.
 

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I have to add one other anecdote from yesterday's visit. I kept using the word "terminate" or it's past tense "terminated" in referenced to the new drop. For example: you guys pulled the cable in but it isn't terminated at the box. Finally he interrupted me in some exasperation and said "What do you mean by 'terminated?' 'Terminated' means 'doesn't work.'"

I'm not kidding.
 

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Nice, You just have to love the people they hire now a day. I have Business class cable, so i have a different modem then the res users (dont know why but they just had to switch it out). And when they came to hook up the digital tv the guy looks at it and goes "what is that? I have never seen that modem before" i just laughed and told him it was business class. He didnt even know they gave out different modems.
 

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Originally posted by: Markbnj
Finally he interrupted me in some exasperation and said "What do you mean by 'terminated?' 'Terminated' means 'doesn't work.'"

holy shit.
 

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I had the cable help-desk tell me that I needed to unplug the modem from the wall, and not from the back of the unit, because there was a difference. Funny, my multiple meter says there is no electrical difference between the ends.
 

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I had high quality splitters and high grade cable in my house all purchased and installed by me based on an actual Cable Company rep's advice. I wired it from the main leg on the outside box to the cable modem for max signal and the 2nd leg went into the attic and was split for the TV's. We were having an issue with our drop line so we called in. They sent a contractor cable guy to check our drop. I told my wife not to let him touch anything but the drop but he completely redid all the runs in the attic with crap cable and low quality splitters and he kept everything. I called in after I got home from work and screamed. The cable rep sent him back to return my stuff and made him redo everything while a cable company rep and me watched him.
 

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Originally posted by: Gillbot
I had high quality splitters and high grade cable in my house all purchased and installed by me based on an actual Cable Company rep's advice. I wired it from the main leg on the outside box to the cable modem for max signal and the 2nd leg went into the attic and was split for the TV's. We were having an issue with our drop line so we called in. They sent a contractor cable guy to check our drop. I told my wife not to let him touch anything but the drop but he completely redid all the runs in the attic with crap cable and low quality splitters and he kept everything. I called in after I got home from work and screamed. The cable rep sent him back to return my stuff and made him redo everything while a cable company rep and me watched him.

Man, don't you just hate cable contractors.

Ok, here is a little backround, I work for a wireless ISP, and have worked hand in hand with cable company at one point. I know for a fact that there user interface never shows anything about the modem since last reboot.

I now have business class, so when i call i get someone that knows what there talking about. im happy.
But my friend has res still. His modem was acting up and resetting about 25 times a day. So we called them, and the guy on the phone started to argue with me about it. He said the modem had gone down once that morning and then before that it had been up and had only reset about 3 times in the last few months. I said, First of all your UI only shows info since last reboot. I've used it before (just hits the SNMP on the modem, which resets counters on modem reset). And he was like "i see everything about the modem" and i was like, yeah, you do, since last reboot. this guy was trying to tell me that i should replace the router first, and that it was making the modem reset. And that if the internet is down chances are its the routers problem. I laughed and said that i wasn't going on if the internet was down or not, i would watch the cable modem, it would be ok, then all the lights would come on and it would start to boot up again. He didn't believe me, so i demanded a new modem and we went and picked it up from the local office (so we could have it that day) now it works great and runs all day.
 

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Originally posted by: Markbnj
I have to add one other anecdote from yesterday's visit. I kept using the word "terminate" or it's past tense "terminated" in referenced to the new drop. For example: you guys pulled the cable in but it isn't terminated at the box. Finally he interrupted me in some exasperation and said "What do you mean by 'terminated?' 'Terminated' means 'doesn't work.'"

I'm not kidding.

In cable guy parlance, "terminate" means "disconnect your service and put a 'terminator' on the tap so you can't plug it back in when they've gone".

So the phrase, "you guys pulled the cable in but it isn't connected at the box" would've made more sense to him...but still a little dense to not figure out what you were meaning.

:p
 

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Since were talking about comcast I have basically a single line drop for my internet nothing else on the line no tvs or anything. It comes straight from the poll to the house and then I have one coax connector inbetween the outside pole cable to the inside cablet that goes to the modem. My question is are this good signal rates for my currect connection?

Frequency 735000000 Hz
Signal to Noise Ratio 36 dB
QAM QAM256
Network Access Control Object ON
Power Level 9 dBmV

Upstream Value
Channel ID 3
Frequency 25300000 Hz
Ranging Service ID 417
Symbol Rate 2.560 Msym/s
Power Level 47 dBmV

The contractor that came out told me that temp plays a role in the signal. I guess if its cold its lower and when its warmer its higher? Is this correct or was he BSin me?
 

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Originally posted by: notposting
Originally posted by: Markbnj
I have to add one other anecdote from yesterday's visit. I kept using the word "terminate" or it's past tense "terminated" in referenced to the new drop. For example: you guys pulled the cable in but it isn't terminated at the box. Finally he interrupted me in some exasperation and said "What do you mean by 'terminated?' 'Terminated' means 'doesn't work.'"

I'm not kidding.

In cable guy parlance, "terminate" means "disconnect your service and put a 'terminator' on the tap so you can't plug it back in when they've gone".

So the phrase, "you guys pulled the cable in but it isn't connected at the box" would've made more sense to him...but still a little dense to not figure out what you were meaning.

:p

Yeah, I didn't mean that I was using universal cable guy lingo, but any tech guy would have gotten what I meant from the context.