Why do BushHeads act like it was a landslide?

[lordtyranus]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
One can be fairly confident that if Kerry had taken the election, at least one of his supporters in here would have boldly proclaimed, 'The people have spoken and decided they didn't want the chimp in office.'

And it would have been closer to the truth than them saying "The Americans wanted John Kerry as President"

Fair enough. I'll just say American didn't want John Kerry as president.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
One can be fairly confident that if Kerry had taken the election, at least one of his supporters in here would have boldly proclaimed, 'The people have spoken and decided they didn't want the chimp in office.'

And it would have been closer to the truth than them saying "The Americans wanted John Kerry as President"

Fair enough. I'll just say American didn't want John Kerry as president.

Almost as many didn't want the Dub as President.

 

[Genx87]

51% vs. 48.5%...ooo...big mandate. That 51% still works out to only 20% of the people in this country.

When Clinton won his two presidencies what % of the people did he win?

 

[Darkhawk28]

Originally posted by: Genx87

51% vs. 48.5%...ooo...big mandate. That 51% still works out to only 20% of the people in this country.

When Clinton won his two presidencies what % of the people did he win?

Did Clinton claim a "mandate"?

 

[lordtyranus]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
One can be fairly confident that if Kerry had taken the election, at least one of his supporters in here would have boldly proclaimed, 'The people have spoken and decided they didn't want the chimp in office.'

And it would have been closer to the truth than them saying "The Americans wanted John Kerry as President"

Fair enough. I'll just say American didn't want John Kerry as president.

Almost as many didn't want the Dub as President.

Huh? More ppl voted against Kerry than Bush. Seems to me that more ppl were anti Kerry than Bush.

 

[spidey07]

I thought it was pretty significant that bush got over 50% of the popular vote?

something like that hasn't happened in a while?

Historic?

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: spidey07
I thought it was pretty significant that bush got over 50% of the popular vote?

something like that hasn't happened in a while?

Historic?

Not historic at all. Well, heck, *any* event is historic once it happens. It's historic I had a chicken quesadilla for lunch yesterday.

This was the first election since 1988 that didn't have a viable 3rd-party candidate.

 

[TMPadmin]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
One can be fairly confident that if Kerry had taken the election, at least one of his supporters in here would have boldly proclaimed, 'The people have spoken and decided they didn't want the chimp in office.'

And it would have been closer to the truth than them saying "The Americans wanted John Kerry as President"

Fair enough. I'll just say American didn't want John Kerry as president.

Almost as many didn't want the Dub as President.

ALMOST doesn't count in elections. Why is there so much whining about this? I don't understand. America voted it is over. Let's move on.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: TMPadmin

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: lordtyranus

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: TastesLikeChicken
One can be fairly confident that if Kerry had taken the election, at least one of his supporters in here would have boldly proclaimed, 'The people have spoken and decided they didn't want the chimp in office.'

And it would have been closer to the truth than them saying "The Americans wanted John Kerry as President"

Fair enough. I'll just say American didn't want John Kerry as president.

Almost as many didn't want the Dub as President.

ALMOST doesn't count in elections. Why is there so much whining about this? I don't understand. America voted it is over. Let's move on.

Stating the facts is whinning? I'm not arguing that the Muddle Minded Think Tongued Hand Puppet of the Religious Right didn't win fair and square.

 

[BAMAVOO]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: BAMAVOO

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
It wasn't a landslide at all. It was a win, just a close win. That's all.

Exactly. It certainly isn't the "will of the people". It's the will of about 20% of the people.

It was the will of 51-52% of the people who care to voice their will.

51% vs. 48.5%...ooo...big mandate. That 51% still works out to only 20% of the people in this country.

But it still works out to W in office. I know if Kerry would have won the libs would be gloating more than the repubs and us repubs would be crying more than the libs. It is like anything else, we stand behind our respective leader, team or whatever we believe in. Then we are either happy about a win or sad about a loss. The demos have 4 years to get ready, while Bush has 4 years to improve on things he has not done well, open borders for one.

I just think things are getting out of hand, because we all know if the shoe was on the other foot, the arguments would still be the same.

A lot of conjecture on your part.

You don't think there would be gloating from the Dem side and crying from the Repubs? Don't tell me you think nothing would have been said at all. Heck the dems were gloating before the election, thinking they had it in the bag. How do you feel this would have been different, from what I stated?

 

[irwincur]

If you look beyond the presidential portion of the election it can be considered a landslide.

1. Bush won by a fairly significant margin - in historic terms.
2. His coat-tails led to MASSIVE gains in the House and Senate - also locked Republican control of the South.
3. Republicans won the majority of State governerships.
4. Republicans made MAJOR gains in state legislative races.
5. The leader of the Democratic Party was embarrassed - and is now out of a job.

For all intents and purposes - it was a landslide, if not it was historically significant. It may technically be the point where the end of the modern Democratic party started.

 

[Train]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
It wasn't a landslide at all. It was a win, just a close win. That's all.

Exactly. It certainly isn't the "will of the people". It's the will of about 20% of the people.

It was the will of 51-52% of the people who care to voice their will.

51% vs. 48.5%...ooo...big mandate. That 51% still works out to only 20% of the people in this country.

ya but its a democracy, the will of the 20% trumps the will of your 18.8%

bush didnt win by a landslide, but at least he beat the spread

 

[0roo0roo]

17% turn out for young people. it didn't budge from 2000. thats no landslide...

 

[NesuD]

Well he is the first president elected with more than 50% of the vote since 1988. That certainly says something.

 

[Caminetto]

Landslide, LOL.
Even the Wall Streest Journal says:
"the narrowest win for a sitting president since Woodrow Wilson in 1916."

 

[piasabird]

Wah, Wah, Wah!

Why do democrats refuse to accept reality.

The liberal party lost because it was just too liberal!

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
It wasn't a landslide at all. It was a win, just a close win. That's all.

Exactly. It certainly isn't the "will of the people". It's the will of about 20% of the people.

It was the will of 51-52% of the people who care to voice their will.

51% vs. 48.5%...ooo...big mandate. That 51% still works out to only 20% of the people in this country.

ya but its a democracy, the will of the 20% trumps the will of your 18.8%

bush didnt win by a landslide, but at least he beat the spread

We're not a true democracy. If we were, Gore would have won in 2000. We are, essentially, majority rule with minority protection. Although, with this administration, a certain aspect of that minority protection is being trampled.

 

[ericlp]

Originally posted by: Condor

Originally posted by: Rustynuts
It seems like all the RUBepublicans act like it was a landslide in his favor, when he really barely got 50%. Even Bush is saying he's got a lot of poitical "capital" now and "the people have spoken". Doesn't he realize that half the people still hate his guts? Oh forgot, he's still too stupid to say nuclear right (nu-cu-lar, HAHAHAH!)

You don't read the news much, do you? Even the MSM says this was historic.

You must not read the news much eh? They are saying that Bush got more votes then any other president in history... And on the other hand he got the most NON votes in history. Yeah, then he goes up there and says he is gonna unite the people!


HAHA What a retarded idiot....

The only thing Bush did was create a LINE drawn down the middle of Half and Half. Unite couldn't be further from the truth. He basically is dividing this country on a FAITH vote. It's really dangerous. When you play with matches you can get burned.

 

[ciba]

Originally posted by: Caminetto
Landslide, LOL.
Even the Wall Streest Journal says:
"the narrowest win for a sitting president since Woodrow Wilson in 1916."

The margin sure beats presidents that didn't gain reelection!

As for the so-called "mandate." This isn't just referring to the presidential election. It also refers to the +4 House and Senate seats the republicans won. It refers to the biggest congressional upset since Foley lost to Nethercutt.

Hell, even in Washington we have the closest governor's race in 20 years.

 

[JoLLyRoGer]

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Train

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Chadder007

Originally posted by: conjur

Originally posted by: Tiles2Tech
It wasn't a landslide at all. It was a win, just a close win. That's all.

Exactly. It certainly isn't the "will of the people". It's the will of about 20% of the people.

It was the will of 51-52% of the people who care to voice their will.

51% vs. 48.5%...ooo...big mandate. That 51% still works out to only 20% of the people in this country.

ya but its a democracy, the will of the 20% trumps the will of your 18.8%

bush didnt win by a landslide, but at least he beat the spread

We're not a true democracy. If we were, Gore would have won in 2000. We are, essentially, majority rule with minority protection. Although, with this administration, a certain aspect of that minority protection is being trampled.

I must agree 100% we are NOT a democracy, we are a republic, as in "...and to the Republic for which it stands..."

IOW Majority rules...

 

[ciba]

Originally posted by: JoLLyRoGer
I must agree 100% we are NOT a democracy, we are a republic, as in "...and to the Republic for which it stands..."

IOW Majority rules...

I should just save my response to comments like this so I can cut & paste. It is a common misconception that the only type of democracy is mob rule. This myth seems to be widely propagated on the internet.

"Democracy" and "republic" refer to DIFFERENT QUALITIES OF GOVERNMENT!

A "democracy" just implies that people vote either direct (mob rule) or inderect (representative democracy)

A "republic" just means that legislators make law. The could be elected (which would mean the government is ALSO a democracy) or not.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: irwincur
2. His coat-tails led to MASSIVE gains in the House and Senate - also locked Republican control of the South.
3. Republicans won the majority of State governerships.
4. Republicans made MAJOR gains in state legislative races.

You're trying to alter the facts.

The House gains are extremely minor. If you take out the gains from the gerrymandering in Texas, the Republicans either broke even or LOST House seats depending of the outcome of two runoff elections in Louisiana.

The Stage Governerships was essentially break even, I believe Republicans might have won by one in the "competative" races.

Republicans making major gains in state legislative races is pretty much flat out wrong. Republicans actually lost several state legislatures to Democrats in this elections. Most notibly, in a stunning series of upsets Colorado Democrats took both the State Senate and the House which is the first time in 44 years that Democrats have controlled the state legislature in Colorado. This includes the Democrats taking a large porportion of the State House seats up for reelection this year.

This was in fact a narrow victory and Republicans would do well to remember this.

 

[ntdz]

Originally posted by: Rustynuts
It seems like all the RUBepublicans act like it was a landslide in his favor, when he really barely got 50%. Even Bush is saying he's got a lot of poitical "capital" now and "the people have spoken". Doesn't he realize that half the people still hate his guts? Oh forgot, he's still too stupid to say nuclear right (nu-cu-lar, HAHAHAH!)

b/c they gained 4 seats in the senate, making the majority 55-44-1 (11 more seats than democrats!), they pushed their margin in the house to over 30 more republicans than democrats, and Bush won by 3.5 million and got the first majority win in 16 years. Owned.

 

[Aegeon]

Originally posted by: ntdz
b/c they gained 4 seats in the senate, making the majority 55-44-1 (11 more seats than democrats!), they pushed their margin in the house to over 30 more republicans than democrats, and Bush won by 3.5 million and got the first majority win in 16 years. Owned.

The Senate was the only really significant area of gains. The House gains were extremely limited when you consider the details of them.

 

[DeeKnow]

Originally posted by: JoLLyRoGer
Landslide...

pls go read how votes are counted. yr map just shows he won majority in those counties... if he won 51% of the vote in each of those places, that hardly qualifies as a landslide...