Why do blacks vote Democrats?

xaero999

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Nothing changes. Racism is being kept alive and Democratic party play their part too. What we have as a result: parties don’t trust each other, different party supporters have different dreams, blacks usually claim Republicans are racists, Republicans usually call Democrats racists.
By the way, Jefferson Davis was racist Democrat. As well as Andrew Jackson and many others.
 

CitizenKain

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Nothing changes. Racism is being kept alive and Democratic party play their part too. What we have as a result: parties don’t trust each other, different party supporters have different dreams, blacks usually claim Republicans are racists, Republicans usually call Democrats racists.
By the way, Jefferson Davis was racist Democrat. As well as Andrew Jackson and many others.

Because of 50 years of racist policies by the rightwing. I can see how explaining how the parties of today don't line up the ones 150 years ago won't accomplish anything for someone like you, so I won't bother.
 

Perknose

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By the way, Jefferson Davis was racist Democrat. As well as Andrew Jackson and many others.

Which is why, in the 19th century, blacks voted solidly Republican. This is the 21st century, try to get up to speed.

First step if you're not just a troll trying to sound all innocent? Yeah, do what the first poster to respond suggested.
 

Sonikku

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Nothing changes. Racism is being kept alive and Democratic party play their part too. What we have as a result: parties don’t trust each other, different party supporters have different dreams, blacks usually claim Republicans are racists, Republicans usually call Democrats racists.
By the way, Jefferson Davis was racist Democrat. As well as Andrew Jackson and many others.

When was that? 150 years ago? Blacks tend to support the party in the North over the party in the South. (I wonder why) Back then the Republicans were the North and Davis and the Democrats were the South, but since then the parties have switched locations. And then there's the Civil Rights act passed by Lyndon B.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964

By party and region

Note: "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:

Southern Democrats: 7–87 (7–93%)
Southern Republicans: 0–10 (0–100%)

Northern Democrats: 145–9 (94–6%)
Northern Republicans: 138–24 (85–15%)

The Senate version:

Southern Democrats: 1–20 (5–95%) (only Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
Southern Republicans: 0–1 (0–100%) (John Tower of Texas)
Northern Democrats: 45–1 (98–2%) (only Robert Byrd of West Virginia voted against)
Northern Republicans: 27–5 (84–16%)

Again, the politicians in the North chiefly have their backs. Now that Democracts are almost solidly North and Republicans are almost solidly South their choice in support is unsurprising.
 

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Retake your US History class. No one but the willfully ignorant cites Jefferson Davis as the ancestor of the modern day Democratic party with a straight face. Davis a leftist liberal? lol good lord.
 
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When was that? 150 years ago? Blacks tend to support the party in the North over the party in the South. (I wonder why) Back then the Republicans were the North and Davis and the Democrats were the South, but since then the parties have switched locations. And then there's the Civil Rights act passed by Lyndon B.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1964



Again, the politicians in the North chiefly have their backs. Now that Democracts are almost solidly North and Republicans are almost solidly South their choice in support is unsurprising.

That's funny, blacks mostly reside in the south. Yet the cities they do heavily occupy in the north (Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, Philly, etc...) are complete shitholes.

Remind me again, who has their backs?
 

BonzaiDuck

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Over my lifetime, I've worked in institutions and cities with a higher than usual percentage of African Americans.

Here's a subjective observation (that's right -- subjective.). During the growth-era of "affirmative action," I observed two groups -- our black brothers and sisters, and another protected group not really a minority -- "our better half." What I say here doesn't imply I'm somehow against women in the workplace: I'll likely vote for either Hillary or Warren (if that were possible), and support all that they support.

But on the matter of competence, the general category of mostly-white women in the workplace didn't distinguish themselves much from the Omniscient White Administrator, as Eldridge Cleaver (I think) coined the term.

But the real racial minorities did. Most of their lives, they didn't just have to be better to move forward: they had to be superb -- women and men. If Caucasians needed a Masters degree to land a good job, blacks needed a double-PhD.

In other places, maybe something different could be observed -- and this hasn't been an exercise for me in objective statistical collection. It's just a lifelong experience of observation and subjective.

I think those situations of being an underclass and facing the particular obstacles, it would sharpen someone's mind as to where their self-interest might be found. Maybe they're "mistaken" -- maybe not. I don't think so.

There are several ways, as a Caucasian, that I can vote. But it boils down to the lesser of two evils, particularly because of a Prisoner's Dilemma that any third party has little chance of winning.
 

Indus

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Nothing changes. Racism is being kept alive and Democratic party play their part too. What we have as a result: parties don’t trust each other, different party supporters have different dreams, blacks usually claim Republicans are racists, Republicans usually call Democrats racists.
By the way, Jefferson Davis was racist Democrat. As well as Andrew Jackson and many others.

Sometimes one video is worth a 1000 words:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_8E3ENrKrQ&t=0m5s
 

HomerJS

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Nothing changes. Racism is being kept alive and Democratic party play their part too. What we have as a result: parties don’t trust each other, different party supporters have different dreams, blacks usually claim Republicans are racists, Republicans usually call Democrats racists.
By the way, Jefferson Davis was racist Democrat. As well as Andrew Jackson and many others.

Willful ignorance
 

BonzaiDuck

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On the issue of racism and from what I hear over a long time but even daily, I don't think most Caucasians truly understand it themselves.

It can be very subtle.

I grew up in a home where I constantly heard parents or others remark that they weren't prejudiced.

I grew up in a neighborhood that was mostly white, attending a parochial high-school that was on the edge of the Barrio with a greater mix of Latinos and only 2 blacks out of 500. The de-facto segregated black part of town, known as the East-Side, was outside my experience.

In my last high-school years, we would drive over to the East-Side's busiest liquor store, and look for "some old black guy" to buy us booze. Eventually, we developed a regular relationship with one for that purpose. And as I look back on those days, it almost makes me sick.

In 1971, two policemen were gunned down in my city during a time when folks in this county were all panicky about the Black Panthers and other developments in the news. The police and prosecutors were desperate to reach closure. They rounded up three black men who had never met each other before their arraignment.

It turned out that I knew one of them -- a poor 19-year-old black kid from Alabama who had come west to find a better life for his mother and siblings. There was no way, given our limited association, that he could've done such a thing. But the papers published news about the arrests and three successive trials in such a way that someone from my realm of experience would easily assume they were all guilty. And -- I did.

In other words, they had to be guilty because, after all -- they were black.

They were all eventually acquitted and let go. Their lives were destroyed. And to this day, when bringing up memorial reminiscence of the two policemen in the newspapers, there are always comments by retired cops who insisted the three were guilty. There has never been an acknowledgement that they were railroaded. They were "not guilty" but unacknowledged to be innocent. A star reporter on the local paper had written a book about it -- son of the Washington Post Ben Bradley. The facts, the evidence never-explored or suppressed, testimonies of both black and white -- all revealed in his book. There is no chance that he was in error about the Truth of it.

There's another phenomenon, too. A Caucasian chooses to work for a black genius, knowing he can learn something. A change in political regime occurs. You don't hear anyone say anything; people are polite outwardly. And the thought simply doesn't enter one's mind: "things have changed; the days of bigotry are gone" he might think. One almost has a delayed reaction: looking back to insinuations, the look in the eyes of other whites. And then it dawns on you.

People with even tincture of racist attitudes often don't share it, and they don't admit it to themselves: "Some of my best friends . . " yada-yada-yada.. Even overtly racist groups seem to hide themselves -- by wearing white sheets at their gatherings.

Go in peace. End of sermon.
 

Indus

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Listen.

The Southern Strategy created by Nixon and used by Reagan never existed, because Democrats are the real racists, because like no party realignments occurred from the 1940s to 1990s that are worth mentioning here.

Mostly because freedom, but also because Benghazi.

What planet do you spend most of your time? Sarcasmupiter? :p
 

Greenman

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Over my lifetime, I've worked in institutions and cities with a higher than usual percentage of African Americans.

Here's a subjective observation (that's right -- subjective.). During the growth-era of "affirmative action," I observed two groups -- our black brothers and sisters, and another protected group not really a minority -- "our better half." What I say here doesn't imply I'm somehow against women in the workplace: I'll likely vote for either Hillary or Warren (if that were possible), and support all that they support.

But on the matter of competence, the general category of mostly-white women in the workplace didn't distinguish themselves much from the Omniscient White Administrator, as Eldridge Cleaver (I think) coined the term.

But the real racial minorities did. Most of their lives, they didn't just have to be better to move forward: they had to be superb -- women and men. If Caucasians needed a Masters degree to land a good job, blacks needed a double-PhD.

In other places, maybe something different could be observed -- and this hasn't been an exercise for me in objective statistical collection. It's just a lifelong experience of observation and subjective.

I think those situations of being an underclass and facing the particular obstacles, it would sharpen someone's mind as to where their self-interest might be found. Maybe they're "mistaken" -- maybe not. I don't think so.

There are several ways, as a Caucasian, that I can vote. But it boils down to the lesser of two evils, particularly because of a Prisoner's Dilemma that any third party has little chance of winning.

I found everything you've written in this thread to be interesting and well thought out, until this post. While I can't say it's incorrect, I can state that it hasn't been my experience at all.
 

davmat787

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On the issue of racism and from what I hear over a long time but even daily, I don't think most Caucasians truly understand it themselves.

It can be very subtle.

I grew up in a home where I constantly heard parents or others remark that they weren't prejudiced.

I grew up in a neighborhood that was mostly white, attending a parochial high-school that was on the edge of the Barrio with a greater mix of Latinos and only 2 blacks out of 500. The de-facto segregated black part of town, known as the East-Side, was outside my experience.

In my last high-school years, we would drive over to the East-Side's busiest liquor store, and look for "some old black guy" to buy us booze. Eventually, we developed a regular relationship with one for that purpose. And as I look back on those days, it almost makes me sick.

In 1971, two policemen were gunned down in my city during a time when folks in this county were all panicky about the Black Panthers and other developments in the news. The police and prosecutors were desperate to reach closure. They rounded up three black men who had never met each other before their arraignment.

It turned out that I knew one of them -- a poor 19-year-old black kid from Alabama who had come west to find a better life for his mother and siblings. There was no way, given our limited association, that he could've done such a thing. But the papers published news about the arrests and three successive trials in such a way that someone from my realm of experience would easily assume they were all guilty. And -- I did.

In other words, they had to be guilty because, after all -- they were black.

They were all eventually acquitted and let go. Their lives were destroyed. And to this day, when bringing up memorial reminiscence of the two policemen in the newspapers, there are always comments by retired cops who insisted the three were guilty. There has never been an acknowledgement that they were railroaded. They were "not guilty" but unacknowledged to be innocent. A star reporter on the local paper had written a book about it -- son of the Washington Post Ben Bradley. The facts, the evidence never-explored or suppressed, testimonies of both black and white -- all revealed in his book. There is no chance that he was in error about the Truth of it.

There's another phenomenon, too. A Caucasian chooses to work for a black genius, knowing he can learn something. A change in political regime occurs. You don't hear anyone say anything; people are polite outwardly. And the thought simply doesn't enter one's mind: "things have changed; the days of bigotry are gone" he might think. One almost has a delayed reaction: looking back to insinuations, the look in the eyes of other whites. And then it dawns on you.

People with even tincture of racist attitudes often don't share it, and they don't admit it to themselves: "Some of my best friends . . " yada-yada-yada.. Even overtly racist groups seem to hide themselves -- by wearing white sheets at their gatherings.

Go in peace. End of sermon.

Your white guilt is suffocating. Racial awareness and sensitivity is great and commendable but please don't confuse your guilt as being common or expected of all U.S. Caucasians.

I just tire of so much guilt induced phony bullshit that only serves to ease guilt rather than foster genuine understanding and compassion that I want to scream politically incorrect stuff. I think the targets of the phony bullshit from white guilters see through it right away and is a source of many lols behind closed doors and then a source of offense.

Not sure if this applies to you, just saying....
 

alcoholbob

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That's funny, blacks mostly reside in the south. Yet the cities they do heavily occupy in the north (Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, Philly, etc...) are complete shitholes.

Remind me again, who has their backs?

Blacks aren't dumb and are simply responding to incentives. Things like the minimum wage make getting a job less appealing than selling drugs or smuggling illegal guns, the value of which are all distorted compared to the free market.

Most of the liberal policies in this country are mainly designed to make the life of liberal whites more comfortable at the cost of minorities--they don't like to see people hustling on the streets as entrepreneurs or minorities to enter the middle class like they did through blue collar work like meat packing, mining, and manufacturing, so they enact heavy business regulations and a minimum wage, and prefer anyone else not productive enough to make minimum wage to stay out of their sight and collect welfare checks. All in the name of a sterile and "comfortable environment" for tree hugging white liberals.
 
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fskimospy

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It's pretty funny that in the same thread you have some conservatives saying 'damn libruls give black people everything' and others saying that the evil libruls are trying to raise the minimum wage so black people are screwed.

The only common thread is you guys trying to find a way where the evil libruls are bad somehow. Culture war at its finest.