Atreus21
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I've been to the south many times, and it's pretty crazily racist in parts. What always stands out to me in fact is how blatant the racism is. I think the north has plenty of issues with racism of its own, but some of the things I've heard in the south are pretty hair raising.
I don't think people assume everyone in the south is equally racist today as they were back then, I think most people think that the south continues to have disproportionately large problems with societal racism, which is probably true.
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Lifer
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Yeah, just outside of Chicago is greatIt isn't a part of the mess. I've been there too.
I've said countless times that I'm in Texas. Not that I'm defending everything Texas does (IE: Planned Parenthood bullshit, Rick Perry, Ted Cruz) - but it sure as hell does a lot of things correctly.
Yikes your posts are awful. Texas has their fair share of shitholes as well (ever been to Brownsville, poorest city in America? Uh huh).
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Half a million Texans lost their jobs between Jan. 2007 and Dec. 2009, the bulk of the financial recession.
Facts are a bitch.
Spungo
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The republican ideals themselves are fairly noble, but it's really hard to side with republicans when the party is filled with retards, assholes, and hypocrites. That includes anti-gay people who are closet homosexuals. That includes Family Values men who cheat on their wives. That includes people who think the earth is younger than the human artifacts we can date to about 12000 years ago (Gobekli Tepe). That includes a guy bringing a snowball into congress.
I can't remember who it was, but a black comedian said black people are forced to defend Obama just because the people against Obama are retards. There are thousands of legit arguments against Obama. What are the ones people stick to? Claiming he's Muslim and claiming he's Kenyan. Islamophobia and xenophobia (it's actually racism - they never accuse white politicians of being secret Muslims or Canadians). A lot of black people can't be republicans simply because it would mean siding with racist idiots.
A majority of blacks voted Democrat long before 1964 even though it was against their best interests. But the Civil Rights Act and LBJ's Great Society will have those "folks" voting Democrat for the next 200 years.
Isn't it weird how the party that thought black people should be allowed to vote is somehow the party that gets black people to vote with them? While the party that has worked tirelessly the last 50 years to prevent black people from voting doesn't?
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A majority of blacks voted Democrat long before 1964 even though it was against their best interests. But the Civil Rights Act and LBJ's Great Society will have those "folks" voting Democrat for the next 200 years.
lol. The fail is strong with this one.
Doc Savage Fan
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Civil Rights Act of 1957
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/85-1957/s75
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/85-1957/h42
...and don't forget the Strom Thurmond (D) filibuster.
Civil Rights Act of 1960
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_Rights_Act_of_1960
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/86-1960/s284
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/86-1960/h106
Civil Rights Act of 1964
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/s409
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/88-1964/h182
GOP fought hard for civil rights bills in 1960s
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-says-gop-fought-hard-civil-rights-bills-196/
Doc Savage Fan
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Are you trying to prove my point for me?
I looked at the civil rights act of 1957 and basically every 'nay' voting Democrat came from the southern states where black people were barred from voting. If you look at states where black people were actually allowed to vote, Democrats voted for the legislation in higher percentages than Republicans did. It's funny that you mention the Strom Thurmond filibuster, considering that black people were almost entirely disenfranchised in South Carolina, making it quite unlikely that many of them voted for him, haha.
You made a very specific statement, that black people voting for Democrats before 1964 were doing so against their own best interests. You've provided exactly zero evidence that this was taking place. The evidence you've provided is that Democrats elected by WHITE people voted for bills that limited black rights. What you need to do is show that Democrats that BLACK PEOPLE voted for did the same. If you go look at the legislative record you'll see that Democrats from the northern states (where black people could vote) were at least as friendly to black rights if not moreso than their Republican counterparts.
Like I said, I think you've badly misunderstood what you're looking at.
Doc Savage Fan
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So...for anyone who actually gives a shit...Barry Goldwater was the reason for the fundamental shift in the black vote away from the Republican Party between 1960 and 1964. LBJ cemented the shift with his Great Society policies.
http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi...voters-flee-the-republican-party-in-the-1960s
http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswi...voters-flee-the-republican-party-in-the-1960s
Dur hur I meant it was a bump in the road and Texas kept chugging along. Unlike everyone else that took a straight nose-dive. If you think Texas suffered like the rest of the states you are a fool.
Brownsville is not a major city unlike all the ones I mentioned. Anyone can tell you where Detroit is. Anyone can tell you where Chicago is. Anyone can tell you where Cleveland or Baltimore are as well.
Texas is currently on the trailing edge of the oil boom and it's job situation and growth prospects currently trail the rest of the country by a good margin.
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2015...s-vindication-over-texas-downturn-prediction/
Texas suffered less than other states because it didn't have a similar runup in housing prices to California, Florida, etc and because of the oil boom that happened shortly after the recession. Now we're on the other end of that oil boom and Texas is suffering more than the rest of the country.
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Lifer
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Sure. You meant to say one thing but actually said something else. TX did indeed feel the financial recession just as everyone else did. No amount of BS you spew changes fundamental reality. Their oil investments and the glut in oil prices during the naughts had a lot to do with them weathering the recession better than most. I fail to see how Texas is responsible for the good fortune of high global oil prices.
Huh? So you're telling me some people are dumber than others because they've never heard of Brownsville? It's not exactly a tiny little hamlet or an unknown city, it has a couple hundred thousand residents (and double that in the metro) and is hardly the only example of shitstain cities in Texas; Laredo and McAllen and are poor and generally unattractive places to live. Want more examples, or maybe now you'll stop digging?
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At this point and time, we have no idea to what degree the price in oil dropping will affect us. As much as most would have you believe that Texas is all about oil - that is completely incorrect. While there is tons of energy companies, they do not all center around OIL. There is gas/coal and multiple other means, in addition to the fact that regardless of how oil does - we still need to produce, transfer, and deliver energy to households. The only questions (while OPEC continues to battle with the US as far as oil pricing goes) is:
1) How long will OPEC keep this game up? This will determine (ultimately) how much, if any, damage.
2) How long will the US hold out? I've heard reports that while many companies aren't turning a profit with oil at it's current levels, they are willing to hold out while it is still $50/barrel+ (which is what it has been hovering around for the last few months).
Those are questions we cannot answer right now. In addition - while Texas might be known for oil - it is by no means a "big dog" as far as oil production goes. We are fracking all over the place, (Tennessee, Oklahoma, etc..). This isn't going to be just a Texas issue by any means.
Texas is also thriving with tons of manufacturing opening up as well.
Texas isn't only about oil, but it is affected by a drop in oil prices more than most other states are. That's why they were doing comparatively better when oil prices were high and why they are doing comparatively worse now that oil prices are low.
Also, Texas manufacturing is currently losing jobs and decreasing production:
https://dallasfed.org/microsites/research/surveys/tmos/index.cfm
Yes.... Right.... I said 2 completely different things
Whatever makes you sleep at night, kid.
From your OWN link... Yeah, it Suuuuure doesn't seem like a bump in the road and continue expanding unlike the rest of the states.
MongGrel
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MongGrel
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A majority of blacks voted Democrat long before 1964 even though it was against their best interests. But the Civil Rights Act and LBJ's Great Society will have those "folks" voting Democrat for the next 200 years.
And a lot of whites vote for the GOP when it's against their best interests.
Next question ?
Most black voters are actually conservatives. The younger inner city ghetto ones are highly liberal. Blacks vote Dem because most if not all the overt racists they've met are republican.
BonzaiDuck
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Just who is being "convicted of crimes committed 100 years ago?" For most "crimes," the statute of limitations has run out. And for murder, the perpetrators are dead.
This betrays -- in its miniscule way -- a problem of logic, a problem of expression -- a problem of thinking.
So for benefit of others, I'll post another little short story.
I terminated a friendship sometime in 2013. My friend and his wife are "So-Cal" Irish. I could caricature: the red hair, ginger melanoma--prone complexion, the Irish pate. My friend could be a Leprechaun but for his size.
He'd always been a "labor" Democrat. So when the Dems nominated Obama, he was in a snit: "Oh, no! The black guy can't win! What have the Democrats DONE to us?!" Later, after Obama trounced McCain, he relented.
Then the story unfolded about the Trayvon Martin shooting. As it unfolded, I was already making my best guess as to what happened, and how it happened.
The 17-year-old would probably be alive today if he'd just dialed 9-11 as Zimmerman pursued his harassment. But for a 67-year-old, if I were talking on the cell-phone in the court-yard of my father's condominium, and somebody kept interrupting me, I swear -- I would've cold-cocked the sumbitch.
And "9-11." Who the hell do people think they're kidding? How do I continue a conversation with Rachel Jeantel and dial 9-11 at the same time? Black kids are taught to defend themselves. Zimmy had a concealed weapon. He wasn't a cop -- he certainly didn't have a uniform.
Zimmy only fits the profile we find in looking at traces of racism in various places -- I'd mentioned West Virginia. There's an implicit hierarchy, vestige of racial distinctions going back decades and centuries. Folks on lower rungs of the ladder as they themselves only perceive them, often exhibit greater racial animus toward people they imagine on the next lower rung. And Zimmy was Latino.
As the trial unfolded and then ended, I was stunned at one white female juror who insisted they didn't have enough evidence to convict. She went on at some length about the Rachel Jeantel testimony: "She wasn't credible." I watched Jeantel give her testimony on my TV: her politeness overlaid with a sort of passive-aggressive resentment, was obvious. She was more than sufficiently articulate.
I came to the conclusion that the juror may have applied a stereotype: The movie "Precious" had been released only a year or so earlier; the resemblance of the main character with Jeantel could not be denied.
So I was having a discussion with my ginger friend. His reaction followed:
"The little HOOD-ie! HE . . . GOT . . . WHAT . . . HE DESERVED!" After a few more exchanges in which I tried to reason with him, it was the last straw. I don't need folks like that for friends.
My friends were also starting to whine about the Affordable Care Act. They were already paying $1,000/mo for more than just "health insurance." The usual assertion: "Mah premiums is goin' up! That Obama has f***ed up my health care!" None of the folks who make that claim collected any statistics. Some folks had their premiums rise -- yes. I took a survey of friends. The increases were about the same as they were year after year after year -- before the ACA passed Congress.
It's almost like the case where some white person with racial animus needs treatment in the ER, and the only person available is a black doctor. Sort of like the white woman bucking back and forth in her car in "The Color Purple," as the black men try -- without getting killed to assist.
G'wan now! Y'all be white now -- ya hear?
Some people are dumber than a sack of hammers-- and nuttier than a big bag of squirrel shit.
MongGrel
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Depends on where they work I guess.
I've still worked at places in the not too far past in the South that encouraged them to vote GOP even if they did so or not.
I'm still miffed the wife threw out some things in the not too far past even if I am White I could have probably sued the hell out of them based on Religious nonsense.
davmat787
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Should have read something like "convicted out of stereotypes, elitism, and some public courts of opinion.."
Snipped the rest of your reply, have to go but will read later.
BonzaiDuck
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Yes -- "should have read something like . . . "
And -- you don't have to read it, you know. If you do, just don't come back with a ridiculous reply without enough thought given to it. Not that I anticipate a ridiculous reply. But know that I don't just make this s*** up.
I make these "mistakes" all the time. It's the amount of information we try to absorb through these sources, and the corruption of the language for "cell-phone English." U NO? U C what I mean, jelly bean?
BonzaiDuck
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I'd posted remarks of praise for Eisenhower. I'd also posted my respects to Colin Powell -- who's probably defected to the Dem side, just as I did 12 years ago.
For those still loyal to the GOP cause for whom I may find still a tincture of respect, I'd always wondered why they affiliate with a party with a tent big enough for their fringe.
For the other side, I keep looking for the extremes, but they're small people much less in the public eye, like that former Weathermen(?) radical turned college prof who had contact with President O. And their views today are a lot more temperate than then. They seem "few and far between." Tell me . . . curious minds want to know.
Where are the "C-ah-ah-mu-nissts?" Tryin' to poison our precious bodily fluids?
There's that old political symbol: "self-reliance." A lot of folks think they're "self-reliant." Would not the most industrious blacks think they're "self-reliant?"
Maybe they've just seen far longer what I came to see in less than two decades.
I don' know. I don' know.
But it all boils down to this. Election turnouts in this country are shabby. Shameful. It was estimated there are about a 100 million registered and eligible to vote -- who don't. Who's pressing mythical or real voter suppression activities? Who's raising the public attention to it? Who's whining about mythical or real voter fraud? And who's raising the statistical findings to show it occurs with one vote here, a couple more there?
Because I'd bet a month's retirement annuity, if those 100 million turned out to the polls -- black, white, Asian, Latino -- we'll be saying prayers over the GOP like some folks mourn the end of the Stars-and-Bars over the statehouse.
And none of this hasn't been said before. The problem with presentation of either argument or facts, you can say it over and over again, and the target audience just refuses to listen.
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Yes.... Right.... I said 2 completely different things
You did, and you wouldn't be able to show otherwise if your life depended on it. Remember you originally said "Namely, the recession didn't have one bit of an affect on us [Texans]."
Herp a derp.
From your OWN link... Yeah, it Suuuuure doesn't seem like a bump in the road and continue expanding unlike the rest of the states.
Aw, this is sad to read. I will just assume you are purposefully trying to embarrass yourself and this is why you're citing a nominal number and ignoring a full 2-year period where half a million jobs were lost. 2 yrs is a "bump in the road" for working families? Yikes. See below:
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