Why do basketball players get b#$ched at for not setting a good example by fighting...

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: slsmnaz
Did you see the fans get run over the other night? How many 1v1 fights are there in the NBA? I've never seen a fight where 10 guys didn't try and jump the other team. It sounds stupid but there are "rules" to hockey fights.

Oh, so "structured" fighting in team sports makes it OK?

Fighting in any measure projects a negative image be it hockey or basketball. Just b/c it's more "accepted" for hockey players to fight doesn't make it right.

Do you have a problem with fighting in boxing? Fighting IS a part of hockey, I gave a long explanation of it in the first thread about the fight at the Knicks game.

My post from that thread:

Originally posted by: mugs

No, it's because it's part of the game. It is implicitly allowed due to the fact that the penalty for fighting is more or less inconsequential (matching penalties usually). Hockey is a full-contact sport, but you don't want to see your star players get injured. One way to try to prevent that is to create a consequence for putting a big hit on him - you send your enforcer out to beat the other guy up. In football there are rules to protect the quarterback and kicker - not so in hockey. You can't hit the goalie, but the offensive stars are fair game.

But mainly, I think it's because people want to see it. There's nothing wrong with fighting in hockey just like there is nothing wrong with boxing as a sport. There are unwritten rules - nobody touches the goalie except the other team's goalie (occassionally a goalie will get pissed at a player because of incidental or intentional contact and hit him, but before the other guy even has a chance to react it's broken up). If two guys are in a fight, the other players stay out of it - what you saw in this basketball fight was a melee, everyone hitting everyone. A hockey fight is generally more controlled, and almost only between only one player from each team. Some fights (between enforcers) are even implicitly agreed upon ahead of time. And hockey players don't always fight out of anger. I saw a great fight this year involving Cam Janssen - they pounded each other for a good minute or two before it was broken up, and afterwards both players were smiling and one of them slapped the other on the butt on the way to the penalty box. There are also written rules with serious consequences, and that helps keep the fighting under control. You don't EVER see a player leave the bench to participate in a fight or use a piece of equipment (stick, skate, helmet) as a weapon in hockey, because there are serious consequences. If you had melees in hockey like you see in baseball (and this basketball game and the Pistons/Pacers game), I don't think fighting would be allowed in hockey.

And BTW, it's only allowed in professional hockey.

I think that boxing is one of the most violent sports out there, but for all its barbarism sp? the end goal is to knock your opponent the fvck out...simple as that.

What is the end goal in hockey? To score more points the the other team I would assume. So how does fighting fit into that role...it's simply a side show to amuse people. Your explanation doesn't seem to address this, it just merely states that in your opinion fighting is OK in Hockey.

 

[Unheard]

Because the NBA sucks?

 

[Unheard]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: slsmnaz
Did you see the fans get run over the other night? How many 1v1 fights are there in the NBA? I've never seen a fight where 10 guys didn't try and jump the other team. It sounds stupid but there are "rules" to hockey fights.

Oh, so "structured" fighting in team sports makes it OK?

Fighting in any measure projects a negative image be it hockey or basketball. Just b/c it's more "accepted" for hockey players to fight doesn't make it right.

Do you have a problem with fighting in boxing? Fighting IS a part of hockey, I gave a long explanation of it in the first thread about the fight at the Knicks game.

My post from that thread:

Originally posted by: mugs

No, it's because it's part of the game. It is implicitly allowed due to the fact that the penalty for fighting is more or less inconsequential (matching penalties usually). Hockey is a full-contact sport, but you don't want to see your star players get injured. One way to try to prevent that is to create a consequence for putting a big hit on him - you send your enforcer out to beat the other guy up. In football there are rules to protect the quarterback and kicker - not so in hockey. You can't hit the goalie, but the offensive stars are fair game.

But mainly, I think it's because people want to see it. There's nothing wrong with fighting in hockey just like there is nothing wrong with boxing as a sport. There are unwritten rules - nobody touches the goalie except the other team's goalie (occassionally a goalie will get pissed at a player because of incidental or intentional contact and hit him, but before the other guy even has a chance to react it's broken up). If two guys are in a fight, the other players stay out of it - what you saw in this basketball fight was a melee, everyone hitting everyone. A hockey fight is generally more controlled, and almost only between only one player from each team. Some fights (between enforcers) are even implicitly agreed upon ahead of time. And hockey players don't always fight out of anger. I saw a great fight this year involving Cam Janssen - they pounded each other for a good minute or two before it was broken up, and afterwards both players were smiling and one of them slapped the other on the butt on the way to the penalty box. There are also written rules with serious consequences, and that helps keep the fighting under control. You don't EVER see a player leave the bench to participate in a fight or use a piece of equipment (stick, skate, helmet) as a weapon in hockey, because there are serious consequences. If you had melees in hockey like you see in baseball (and this basketball game and the Pistons/Pacers game), I don't think fighting would be allowed in hockey.

And BTW, it's only allowed in professional hockey.

I think that boxing is one of the most violent sports out there, but for all its barbarism sp? the end goal is to knock your opponent the fvck out...simple as that.

What is the end goal in hockey? To score more points the the other team I would assume. So how does fighting fit into that role...it's simply a side show to amuse people. Your explanation doesn't seem to address this, it just merely states that in your opinion fighting is OK in Hockey.

A hockey fight can change the momentum of a game, as well as all the things Mugs was talking about in his post.

 

[meltdown75]

All you people that bash hockey because of fighting just don't get it and you never will.

I've played the game since I was 7 years old and it's in my blood. Never been a real fighter, actually I've only been in one or two on the ice.

If you haven't played the sport then you wouldn't understand, but imagine playing on a team where one of your smaller finesse players gets elbowed in the face and taken out of the game by a goon on the other team. Next up is one of your other skilled players that gets taken down by a knee-on-knee hit - he's out. What are you going to do? Hope for the refs to handle the situation? Good luck with that. No, you send out the guy that you hopefully have in that role of grinder / tough guy and you take the situation into your own hands. Drop the mitts and settle it like men.

Due to the speed and sometimes brutal nature of the game, aggression is more present in hockey than any other sport. It always has been and it probably always will be.

Last weekend on Hockey Night in Canada (Coaches Corner), they played a commercial from down south advertising the Thrashers / Caps rematch. It was nothing more than a glorified fight advertisement. It showed clips from the previous game's brawl, gave stats on the amount of penaly minutes and fights, etc etc. It said nothing about Ovechkin and Hossa, who are the real stars of the game. That's how the game is being pitched down there, which is sad.

I've seen so many great games that never involve a fight. There is never any scraps in the playoffs. There really aren't too many dirty plays at all because the teams are too worried about giving up a man advantage.

Whatever... if a fight starts, I'm not going to run home and cry to momma. I don't expect anyone here outside of the regular NHL fans to understand the deep level of respect and integrity involved, even in fighting. Even the "goons" have to have skill these days, too. I guess I could sit here and hate on every major sport out there for some inane reason, but I don't.

On another note, I used to hate baseball because I thought it was boring. But you know what, I gave it a chance last year and it was great. I even got into a fantasy baseball pool and had a great time. That's why I can't understand the unequivocal hate that some people have for hockey. It's not a Canadian thing, anyone that is a Canes fan can attest to the hockey hotbeds down south.

Posting in this thread will just get me frustrated and want to jersey some punk tech kid anyway so what's the use.

 

[AMDZen]

Its because the players in the NBA are a lot more ghetto tuned. Sure you see some of this in the NFL, like with the Cincinatti Pussy-cats - but they get scrutinized just as much IMO. As for the NHL, fighting is different and is part of the sport I think, so can't be comparred.

Any way, I think the NBA is scrutinized more because its a non contact sport. In football, theres shoving and stuff, but their wearing pads - same with hockey which the gloves off fighting is a little different because as I said its part of the sport. They don't wear pads in the NBA, Baseball - I couldn't really care less about. Of course I feel the same way about basketball.

I also think it has to do with the fact that a lot of the players in the NBA are simply dumb. I mean dumb as in retarded, or simply poorly educated. They get drafted before they even go to college, some of them don't even graduate High School. That makes them more volatile and thug like IMO. I know I may get critisized for speaking my mind, but I think this is the biggest reason people hate the NBA and scrutinize them more as role models. These are down right losers IMO, with absolutely no education - a lot of the so called roll models are down right stupid.

With Football these players are usually quite intelligent, graduated college before getting paid the millions and mature enough to not let it go to their heads as much. Even if they do spit, like TO - he is still a better role model to have then Carmello Anthony - stupid punk kid who can't even drink legally yet - actually I guess he is 21 now but when he entered the league he couldn't even drink.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Syringer
Do you not follow sports?

First off, I can't stand the NBA. Haven't liked it since Jordan left, but regardless...

Oh okay, apparently not

But in any case, did you see the backlash and news that the Miami/FIA (?) brawl spawned off? That incident, like the NBA's, was noteworthy because of the baggage and history of Miami players having a "thug" image, similar to that of the NBA's. Or the Haywood (?) incident where a guy steps on another guy's head with his cleats?

Also, basketball is the only sport where the fans are not separated from the players other than the out of bounds line, and when you're endangering the safety of the fans..who, if they're sitting in the front rows are in a position to be able to afford such tickets, hence they are the biggest monetary assets to the NBA..if they feel their safety is at stake because of the players, they might be less inclined to go.

All in all, it's a combination of things really.

Fans might not be separated from the court, but wasn't it just last week that some hockey fans got cut with glass when a player got slammed up against the glass?

And I don't remember any basketball fans getting killed by flying hockey pucks.

 

[cubby1223]

It's all about image and fan appeal and ratings.

Hockey needs fighting to keep people in the seats.

In basketball they think that they can draw in more fans if they get rid of the thug image - being tough on brawls, the strict dress code, the new rules against complaining to refs, etc.

Baseball has cut down on fighting too. Bench clearing brawls rarely happen, but they do and there are the usual suspensions and fines. But baseball thinks that getting rid of the bean ball and retaliations will help keep the game a family atmosphere & fun for the kids. Baseball is nothing like it used to be, if someone hit a big homerun, the next batter usually was drilled in the back.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: NFS4
I think that boxing is one of the most violent sports out there, but for all its barbarism sp? the end goal is to knock your opponent the fvck out...simple as that.

What is the end goal in hockey? To score more points the the other team I would assume. So how does fighting fit into that role...it's simply a side show to amuse people. Your explanation doesn't seem to address this, it just merely states that in your opinion fighting is OK in Hockey.

if your best offensive player is in the locker room with a concussion because he got checked into the wall, how are you scoring a lot of goals? if fighting prevents that, then you're scoring more goals. and his explanation did address that.

 

[vi edit]

It's because first and foremost the NBA is a business. In this business, fighting isn't expected and it turns away more fans than it gains. Less fans = less revenue. Stern has made it a personal crusade to make the league more "grown up" and is making examples of those that break his code.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: mugs

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: slsmnaz
Did you see the fans get run over the other night? How many 1v1 fights are there in the NBA? I've never seen a fight where 10 guys didn't try and jump the other team. It sounds stupid but there are "rules" to hockey fights.

Oh, so "structured" fighting in team sports makes it OK?

Fighting in any measure projects a negative image be it hockey or basketball. Just b/c it's more "accepted" for hockey players to fight doesn't make it right.

Do you have a problem with fighting in boxing? Fighting IS a part of hockey, I gave a long explanation of it in the first thread about the fight at the Knicks game.

My post from that thread:

Originally posted by: mugs

No, it's because it's part of the game. It is implicitly allowed due to the fact that the penalty for fighting is more or less inconsequential (matching penalties usually). Hockey is a full-contact sport, but you don't want to see your star players get injured. One way to try to prevent that is to create a consequence for putting a big hit on him - you send your enforcer out to beat the other guy up. In football there are rules to protect the quarterback and kicker - not so in hockey. You can't hit the goalie, but the offensive stars are fair game.

But mainly, I think it's because people want to see it. There's nothing wrong with fighting in hockey just like there is nothing wrong with boxing as a sport. There are unwritten rules - nobody touches the goalie except the other team's goalie (occassionally a goalie will get pissed at a player because of incidental or intentional contact and hit him, but before the other guy even has a chance to react it's broken up). If two guys are in a fight, the other players stay out of it - what you saw in this basketball fight was a melee, everyone hitting everyone. A hockey fight is generally more controlled, and almost only between only one player from each team. Some fights (between enforcers) are even implicitly agreed upon ahead of time. And hockey players don't always fight out of anger. I saw a great fight this year involving Cam Janssen - they pounded each other for a good minute or two before it was broken up, and afterwards both players were smiling and one of them slapped the other on the butt on the way to the penalty box. There are also written rules with serious consequences, and that helps keep the fighting under control. You don't EVER see a player leave the bench to participate in a fight or use a piece of equipment (stick, skate, helmet) as a weapon in hockey, because there are serious consequences. If you had melees in hockey like you see in baseball (and this basketball game and the Pistons/Pacers game), I don't think fighting would be allowed in hockey.

And BTW, it's only allowed in professional hockey.

I think that boxing is one of the most violent sports out there, but for all its barbarism sp? the end goal is to knock your opponent the fvck out...simple as that.

What is the end goal in hockey? To score more points the the other team I would assume. So how does fighting fit into that role...it's simply a side show to amuse people. Your explanation doesn't seem to address this, it just merely states that in your opinion fighting is OK in Hockey.

If you don't like hockey don't watch it, and don't let your kids watch it. Your completely missing the point mugs is trying to make and have absolutely no understanding of what hockey is. The players know its part of the game, same with getting hit really hard in football, or getting a knee to the chin in rugby. This IS THE SPORT, the same as with boxing. Any kind of contact in Basketball is against the rules and its not part of the game. Personally I think this makes basketball a sport that furthers the pussification of America, but thats beside the point.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
I also think it has to do with the fact that a lot of the players in the NBA are simply dumb. I mean dumb as in retarded, or simply poorly educated. They get drafted before they even go to college, some of them don't even graduate High School. That makes them more volatile and thug like IMO. I know I may get critisized for speaking my mind, but I think this is the biggest reason people hate the NBA and scrutinize them more as role models. These are down right losers IMO, with absolutely no education - a lot of the so called roll models are down right stupid.

With Football these players are usually quite intelligent, graduated college before getting paid the millions and mature enough to not let it go to their heads as much. Even if they do spit, like TO - he is still a better role model to have then Carmello Anthony - stupid punk kid who can't even drink legally yet - actually I guess he is 21 now but when he entered the league he couldn't even drink.

Please name any current players who did not graduate HS. What % of NFL players got their degrees while still playing CFB? How does being able to drink make you a role model?

You may not get criticized for "speaking your mind" but maybe you should get some facts straight.

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Any kind of contact in Basketball is against the rules and its not part of the game. Personally I think this makes basketball a sport that furthers the pussification of America, but thats beside the point.

That makes no sense at all.

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Fans might not be separated from the court, but wasn't it just last week that some hockey fans got cut with glass when a player got slammed up against the glass?

And I don't remember any basketball fans getting killed by flying hockey pucks.

wow, two strawmen at once.

first, the glass rarely breaks. and if your problem is with checking, you might as well just outlaw tackles in football while you're at it.

second, the flying pucks and the glass breaking were unintentional. it's not like a basketball player running into the stands to assault a fan. not to mention that the NHL took steps to prevent the pucks from going into the stands and injuring people (taller glass, more warnings about the dangers of pucks, preventing people from standing around in the aisles when the action is at that end of the rink)

 

[mugs]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Fans might not be separated from the court, but wasn't it just last week that some hockey fans got cut with glass when a player got slammed up against the glass?

And I don't remember any basketball fans getting killed by flying hockey pucks.

You're really stretching there.

 

[Insane3D]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: slsmnaz
Did you see the fans get run over the other night? How many 1v1 fights are there in the NBA? I've never seen a fight where 10 guys didn't try and jump the other team. It sounds stupid but there are "rules" to hockey fights.

Oh, so "structured" fighting in team sports makes it OK?

Fighting in any measure projects a negative image be it hockey or basketball. Just b/c it's more "accepted" for hockey players to fight doesn't make it right.

Spoken like someone who has no idea what the sport is about...

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Syringer
Do you not follow sports?

First off, I can't stand the NBA. Haven't liked it since Jordan left, but regardless...

Oh okay, apparently not

But in any case, did you see the backlash and news that the Miami/FIA (?) brawl spawned off? That incident, like the NBA's, was noteworthy because of the baggage and history of Miami players having a "thug" image, similar to that of the NBA's. Or the Haywood (?) incident where a guy steps on another guy's head with his cleats?

Also, basketball is the only sport where the fans are not separated from the players other than the out of bounds line, and when you're endangering the safety of the fans..who, if they're sitting in the front rows are in a position to be able to afford such tickets, hence they are the biggest monetary assets to the NBA..if they feel their safety is at stake because of the players, they might be less inclined to go.

All in all, it's a combination of things really.

Fans might not be separated from the court, but wasn't it just last week that some hockey fans got cut with glass when a player got slammed up against the glass?

And I don't remember any basketball fans getting killed by flying hockey pucks.

What is your problem with hockey? Flying hockey pucks were a very unfortunate thing, and has been rectified. It has nothing to do with the players, its not like they do it on purpose.

Face it, Basketball is for thugs and losers - and thats the image they have right now. Whether you like it or agree with it is irrelevant. The overall consensus with people who pay attention to sports is what it is for a reason.

 

[lobbyone]

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Its because the players in the NBA are a lot more ghetto tuned. Sure you see some of this in the NFL, like with the Cincinatti Pussy-cats - but they get scrutinized just as much IMO. As for the NHL, fighting is different and is part of the sport I think, so can't be comparred.

Any way, I think the NBA is scrutinized more because its a non contact sport. In football, theres shoving and stuff, but their wearing pads - same with hockey which the gloves off fighting is a little different because as I said its part of the sport. They don't wear pads in the NBA, Baseball - I couldn't really care less about. Of course I feel the same way about basketball.

I also think it has to do with the fact that a lot of the players in the NBA are simply dumb. I mean dumb as in retarded, or simply poorly educated. They get drafted before they even go to college, some of them don't even graduate High School. That makes them more volatile and thug like IMO. I know I may get critisized for speaking my mind, but I think this is the biggest reason people hate the NBA and scrutinize them more as role models. These are down right losers IMO, with absolutely no education - a lot of the so called roll models are down right stupid.

With Football these players are usually quite intelligent, graduated college before getting paid the millions and mature enough to not let it go to their heads as much. Even if they do spit, like TO - he is still a better role model to have then Carmello Anthony - stupid punk kid who can't even drink legally yet - actually I guess he is 21 now but when he entered the league he couldn't even drink.

You read my mind! :thumbsup:

 

[Unheard]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Fans might not be separated from the court, but wasn't it just last week that some hockey fans got cut with glass when a player got slammed up against the glass?

And I don't remember any basketball fans getting killed by flying hockey pucks.

Wow we are really stretching for it here aren't we? First of all, neither of these have anything to do with fighting. Second, well my first point negates me needing to have a second point.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: NFS4

Fans might not be separated from the court, but wasn't it just last week that some hockey fans got cut with glass when a player got slammed up against the glass?

And I don't remember any basketball fans getting killed by flying hockey pucks.

wow, two strawmen at once.

first, the glass rarely breaks. and if your problem is with checking, you might as well just outlaw tackles in football while you're at it.

second, the flying pucks and the glass breaking were unintentional. it's not like a basketball player running into the stands to assault a fan. not to mention that the NHL took steps to prevent the pucks from going into the stands and injuring people (taller glass, more warnings about the dangers of pucks, preventing people from standing around in the aisles when the action is at that end of the rink)

I don't recall BBall players intentionally running after fans in this latest altercation. The point he made was about fan safety.

The fans/cameramen that were trampled during the latest incident weren't "targeted," they just happened to be in the vicinity of the incident. Just like the hockey fans that got sprayed with glass.

 

[CVSiN]

Originally posted by: NFS4
First off, I can't stand the NBA. Haven't liked it since Jordan left, but regardless...

I was watching MSNBC yesterday afternoon and one of the news readers (I believe it was Chris Jansing) was bitching out a guest b/c he didn't see what the big deal was about NBA players fighting on the court.

She responds to Guest 1 by saying they're making all of this money and they're supposed to be role models and kids look up to them

Guest 2 says that's its the environment that these kids grew up. They grew up around violence, they see violence on TV, movies and everywhere so it's not surprising that they act out on the court.

Guest 1 responds with hockey, baseball and football players get into fights, but they are not subjected to the same kind of scrutiny for it. And they definitely don't get the "You're supposed to be a role model" lecture.

At that time, Chris Jansing says that "Well, we're out of time" and goes to commercial.


Now I was watching some different news programs on other networks in the past few days and it seems as though they carry the same attitude that NBA players should be held to some different standard. WTF?

WTF are you smoking? Baseball get huge fines... and thrown outa games... football huge fines and suspended...

Hockey.. well the old addage is "went to a fight and a hockey game broke out..." they are the exception to the rule.. but the NHL has in recent years been frowning heavily on it.
and dishing out ejections and fines..

all sports now frown on fighting as they should...

so I dont know what youre talking about.

 

[Unheard]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: NFS4

Fans might not be separated from the court, but wasn't it just last week that some hockey fans got cut with glass when a player got slammed up against the glass?

And I don't remember any basketball fans getting killed by flying hockey pucks.

wow, two strawmen at once.

first, the glass rarely breaks. and if your problem is with checking, you might as well just outlaw tackles in football while you're at it.

second, the flying pucks and the glass breaking were unintentional. it's not like a basketball player running into the stands to assault a fan. not to mention that the NHL took steps to prevent the pucks from going into the stands and injuring people (taller glass, more warnings about the dangers of pucks, preventing people from standing around in the aisles when the action is at that end of the rink)

I don't recall BBall players intentionally running after fans in this latest altercation. The point he made was about fan safety.

The fans/cameramen that were trampled during the latest incident weren't "targeted," they just happened to be in the vicinity of the incident. Just like the hockey fans that got sprayed with glass.

The point is, the two NHL accidents you referred to were a result of regular game play, checking, and a slapshot. The NBA "accidents" with the cameramen and crowd are because the asshat players decided to drag their fight into the crowd and not keep it on the court.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: CVSiN

Originally posted by: NFS4
First off, I can't stand the NBA. Haven't liked it since Jordan left, but regardless...

I was watching MSNBC yesterday afternoon and one of the news readers (I believe it was Chris Jansing) was bitching out a guest b/c he didn't see what the big deal was about NBA players fighting on the court.

She responds to Guest 1 by saying they're making all of this money and they're supposed to be role models and kids look up to them

Guest 2 says that's its the environment that these kids grew up. They grew up around violence, they see violence on TV, movies and everywhere so it's not surprising that they act out on the court.

Guest 1 responds with hockey, baseball and football players get into fights, but they are not subjected to the same kind of scrutiny for it. And they definitely don't get the "You're supposed to be a role model" lecture.

At that time, Chris Jansing says that "Well, we're out of time" and goes to commercial.


Now I was watching some different news programs on other networks in the past few days and it seems as though they carry the same attitude that NBA players should be held to some different standard. WTF?

WTF are you smoking? Baseball get huge fines... and thrown outa games... football huge fines and suspended...

Hockey.. well the old addage is "went to a fight and a hockey game broke out..." they are the exception to the rule.. but the NHL has in recent years been frowning heavily on it.
and dishing out ejections and fines..

all sports now frown on fighting as they should...

so I dont know what youre talking about.

WTF are you talking about? I'm not talking about fines.

I'm talking about players in one sport getting constant media flak for fighting while others don't.

 

[AMDZen]

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: AMDZen
I also think it has to do with the fact that a lot of the players in the NBA are simply dumb. I mean dumb as in retarded, or simply poorly educated. They get drafted before they even go to college, some of them don't even graduate High School. That makes them more volatile and thug like IMO. I know I may get critisized for speaking my mind, but I think this is the biggest reason people hate the NBA and scrutinize them more as role models. These are down right losers IMO, with absolutely no education - a lot of the so called roll models are down right stupid.

With Football these players are usually quite intelligent, graduated college before getting paid the millions and mature enough to not let it go to their heads as much. Even if they do spit, like TO - he is still a better role model to have then Carmello Anthony - stupid punk kid who can't even drink legally yet - actually I guess he is 21 now but when he entered the league he couldn't even drink.

Please name any current players who did not graduate HS. What % of NFL players got their degrees while still playing CFB? How does being able to drink make you a role model?

You may not get criticized for "speaking your mind" but maybe you should get some facts straight.

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Any kind of contact in Basketball is against the rules and its not part of the game. Personally I think this makes basketball a sport that furthers the pussification of America, but thats beside the point.

That makes no sense at all.

How about Allen Iverson? Have you heard of him?

Of course, in his defense - he didn't finish HS because he went to prison for 4 months after being convicted of assault and battery. Oh wait....

Now granted maybe I didn't clarify and made it sound like they get brought into the NBA before they finish HS and I didn't make myself clear on that. But the fact remains, they get brought into the NBA earlier and earlier, and a lot of times right out of HS.

 

[NFS4]

Originally posted by: Unheard

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: NFS4

Fans might not be separated from the court, but wasn't it just last week that some hockey fans got cut with glass when a player got slammed up against the glass?

And I don't remember any basketball fans getting killed by flying hockey pucks.

wow, two strawmen at once.

first, the glass rarely breaks. and if your problem is with checking, you might as well just outlaw tackles in football while you're at it.

second, the flying pucks and the glass breaking were unintentional. it's not like a basketball player running into the stands to assault a fan. not to mention that the NHL took steps to prevent the pucks from going into the stands and injuring people (taller glass, more warnings about the dangers of pucks, preventing people from standing around in the aisles when the action is at that end of the rink)

I don't recall BBall players intentionally running after fans in this latest altercation. The point he made was about fan safety.

The fans/cameramen that were trampled during the latest incident weren't "targeted," they just happened to be in the vicinity of the incident. Just like the hockey fans that got sprayed with glass.

The point is, the two NHL accidents you referred to were a result of regular game play, checking, and a slapshot. The NBA "accidents" with the cameramen and crowd are because the asshat players decided to drag their fight into the crowd and not keep it on the court.

And if the fight had remained on the court, it wouldn't change a thing. It wouldn't matter to the media b/c all they need is NBA + fight to run on for a few days.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: AMDZen

Originally posted by: slsmnaz

Originally posted by: AMDZen
I also think it has to do with the fact that a lot of the players in the NBA are simply dumb. I mean dumb as in retarded, or simply poorly educated. They get drafted before they even go to college, some of them don't even graduate High School. That makes them more volatile and thug like IMO. I know I may get critisized for speaking my mind, but I think this is the biggest reason people hate the NBA and scrutinize them more as role models. These are down right losers IMO, with absolutely no education - a lot of the so called roll models are down right stupid.

With Football these players are usually quite intelligent, graduated college before getting paid the millions and mature enough to not let it go to their heads as much. Even if they do spit, like TO - he is still a better role model to have then Carmello Anthony - stupid punk kid who can't even drink legally yet - actually I guess he is 21 now but when he entered the league he couldn't even drink.

Please name any current players who did not graduate HS. What % of NFL players got their degrees while still playing CFB? How does being able to drink make you a role model?

You may not get criticized for "speaking your mind" but maybe you should get some facts straight.

Originally posted by: AMDZen
Any kind of contact in Basketball is against the rules and its not part of the game. Personally I think this makes basketball a sport that furthers the pussification of America, but thats beside the point.

That makes no sense at all.

How about Allen Iverson? Have you heard of him?

Of course, in his defense - he didn't finish HS because he went to prison for 4 months after being convicted of assault and battery. Oh wait....

Now granted maybe I didn't clarify and made it sound like they get brought into the NBA before they finish HS and I didn't make myself clear on that. But the fact remains, they get brought into the NBA earlier and earlier, and a lot of times right out of HS.

Iverson went to Georgetown without a HS diploma? Wow, I didn't realize it was that easy. There are very few HS players that make it in the NBA. The vast majority either went to college or played intl ball. Still not clear on your point.

 

[Unheard]

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: Unheard

Originally posted by: NFS4

Originally posted by: ElFenix

Originally posted by: NFS4

Fans might not be separated from the court, but wasn't it just last week that some hockey fans got cut with glass when a player got slammed up against the glass?

And I don't remember any basketball fans getting killed by flying hockey pucks.

wow, two strawmen at once.

first, the glass rarely breaks. and if your problem is with checking, you might as well just outlaw tackles in football while you're at it.

second, the flying pucks and the glass breaking were unintentional. it's not like a basketball player running into the stands to assault a fan. not to mention that the NHL took steps to prevent the pucks from going into the stands and injuring people (taller glass, more warnings about the dangers of pucks, preventing people from standing around in the aisles when the action is at that end of the rink)

I don't recall BBall players intentionally running after fans in this latest altercation. The point he made was about fan safety.

The fans/cameramen that were trampled during the latest incident weren't "targeted," they just happened to be in the vicinity of the incident. Just like the hockey fans that got sprayed with glass.

The point is, the two NHL accidents you referred to were a result of regular game play, checking, and a slapshot. The NBA "accidents" with the cameramen and crowd are because the asshat players decided to drag their fight into the crowd and not keep it on the court.

And if the fight had remained on the court, it wouldn't change a thing. It wouldn't matter to the media b/c all they need is NBA + fight to run on for a few days.

Now your jumping away from fan safety and back on to topic. Which do we want to talk about here NSF? Fan safety or press coverage.