Zebo
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Even the "fat and out of shape" linemen are incredibly athletic. Those guys moving shockingly fast for their size.
Levon Kirkland ran like a 4.5 40, that's about a 10.5 100 and was 300 lbs.
Even the "fat and out of shape" linemen are incredibly athletic. Those guys moving shockingly fast for their size.
Even the "fat and out of shape" linemen are incredibly athletic. Those guys moving shockingly fast for their size.
Endurance is far more important in soccer. Football, with 2-7 second plays at a time, is all about quick bursts and sprinting.
How does this even make sense? His argument is about the clock not showing the proper amount of time left in the game. The officials add the time on at the end of the game, how would it make the game longer if they stopped the clock for 3 minutes instead of adding an extra 3 minutes to the end of the game?
It appears foriegners don't care about soccer either only selling about half the seats at FIFA World Cup. NFL playoffs, NBA Finals, NHL playoffs are always sold out months ahead of time.
http://www.csmonitor.com/World/Africa/2010/0615/World-Cup-stadiums-What-s-with-all-the-empty-seats
its because you are waiting for the commercial where there is none :awe:
Of course it makes sense. Do you not watch Basketball or any other sport that is big in North America? When they actually stop the clock for all of those things, the game extends by a lot more time than 3 minutes.
You honestly believe if they stopped for every dead ball, card, etc., it would only add 2-5 minutes like they do now? No, it would add much more without a doubt.
KT
exactly. There's several decades of data showing the incredible popularity of soccer among youth, and every damn year (or at least every 4 during the World Cup--the only time the US can be bothered to think about soccer) the argument is made that it will soon be established as a premiere American sport....yet it just hasn't happened.
Hell, they've been saying this since the 70s, in order to increase popularity for bringing Pele over to the US to join the very short-lived circus of the US's first attempt to establish a pro soccer league.
So...what happened to all those kids that were supposed to usher in the new era of pro US soccer athletes...and all the kids that were supposed to idolize them?
They stopped playing soccer ~12 years old. Just like they do now, just as they always have done.
While I agree that baseball is a relatively slow and dull sport, it's still about 100 times more active and exciting than soccer. Soccer is a bunch of guys running around doing nothing for 90 minutes. For maybe 3-4 actual minutes per game in soccer there's people near a goal with a genuine chance to score that adds excitement. The rest of the game no one is anywhere near scoring position and little happens.
In contrast in baseball, EVERY single pitch besides intentional walks is a possibility of seeing one of the greatest things in sports, a homerun. So if the average number of pitches per game is 275 then that's potentially 275 times per game you can anticipate a homerun. There's what, less than a dozen legitimate shots on goal in a soccer game? So, I'm sorry. By my numbers baseball is only around 23 times as exciting as soccer.
Yep, because the MLS can't market worth a sht. Once someone of Pele's stature comes to MLS, then you might see it surge. They need someone big and I'm not talking Beckham. Even then, they still need more marketing and sponsors. MLS is about as popular as WNBA.
Until then, /crickets.
You should only stop the clock for things that they would otherwise add time onto the end of the game. BTW, people aren't complaining that soccer is slow because it has a 90 min game clock, they're complaining that it's slow because there's hardly any scoring or shots on goal.
The score at the half of the Brazil-North Korea game is 0-0. Brazil is the number 1 ranked team in the world, and the DPRK are 107th. The number one ranked team can't put up anything in a half against a tomato can like North Korea. Imagine the Saints not being able to score against the Rams, or the Blackhawks not being able to score on Edmonton.
And people wonder why Americans think soccer is boring.
They should allow fights in soccer like in hockey. See what that does to the ratings!
If you're stopping the game, you are slowing it down and making it less exciting. Think of all the stoppages in Basketball, the NBA specifically, which can be painful. Stopping the game for things that would only add time sounds good in theory, but it would still slow it down way more than just tacking on time at the end.
I really do not understand how anyone can have an issue with the timing, so I guess we'll just have to stay apart on this one. this is the first time I have ever heard anyone complain about it.
KT
like I said, they already tried with Pele and a pro league in the 70s. It flopped. If the god of soccer can't do it in the US, wtf should they think an emo pretty boy with kicking skills is going to do it over here?
yeah, I know Beckham is great and all (well, he was...) but maybe there's a "euro image" clash for the typical American sports fan? Actually, it's probably more that he plays soccer. ...and we simply don't care.
For one thing, he plays in LA--a ridiculously confounding pro sports market that can consistently make a profit off of one of the worst sports franchises in history (the Clippers), and not manage to hold an NFL team?
They always talk about removing fighting from hockey here. I tend to agree (or at least penalize it differently).. but the reason that they'd never do it is always stated as being due to Americans not watching the NHL any more....
Do folks down south really only care about the fist fights? There is no fighting in football and that is the most profitable league in the country... one which the NHL/mlb could learn a thing or two from.
Anyway.. why is it such a big deal/surprise that soccer is popular with some of us.. people like different things
I like playing soccer and ball hockey.. I like watching baseball, hockey and curling... others like UFC... meh.. Hell, I enjoy playing magic too which most woudln't
They always talk about removing fighting from hockey here. I tend to agree (or at least penalize it differently).. but the reason that they'd never do it is always stated as being due to Americans not watching the NHL any more....
Do folks down south really only care about the fist fights? There is no fighting in football and that is the most profitable league in the country... one which the NHL/mlb could learn a thing or two from.
Anyway.. why is it such a big deal/surprise that soccer is popular with some of us.. people like different things
I like playing soccer and ball hockey.. I like watching baseball, hockey and curling... others like UFC... meh.. Hell, I enjoy playing magic too which most woudln't
WTF is ball hockey? Sounds gay.
Umm....the game is stopped regardless of the game clock, so it wouldn't change the flow of the game and it wouldn't slow it down any more than it is already slowed down during a stoppage of play, the clock would just reflect the stoppage. All I've heard from soccer fans in this thread is how much American football sucks because the game is always stopped, this must mean that soccer is hardly ever stopped so what's the most time that stopping the clock could possibly add to the game? 5 minutes? I thought soccer never stopped like the NFL? Non-stop action right?
You might not have an issue with the timing (and neither do I really because I don't even watch soccer) but it's pretty simple why some people do. If the game is supposed to be 90 minutes long then the game should be over when the clock hits 90, not some random amount of time after the clock hits 90.
A golf course is an environmental eyesore, and frankly a disaster on par with many superfund sights.
The amount of nitrates and chemicals, much less water pumped into those fields is a fucking travesty. Honestly, it's the worst thing one can intentionally do to open space.
The fact that they are often perceived as gorgeous or some form of parkland is, well....atrocious.
http://www.beyondpesticides.org/golf/background.htm
http://www1.american.edu/TED/jpgolf.htm
I'm sure there are more eco-friendly ways to engineer a golf course to meet real environmental needs, and such practices will likely become more standard...but the truth of the matter is that large clubs will be focusing on the cheapest, most tested methods, that are pretty much the same for your typical, traditional lawn--shitloads of chemicals, non-native resource-intensive grasses, whatever.
Football doesn't need fighting, it has the biggest/fastest/strongest men hitting each other through vicious tackling. It's already violent.
To remove fighting from hockey would really drop the ratings, you're right. They have cracked down on head hunting, however.
There's nothing wrong with liking soccer, I like it and actually think it's almost as violent as the big 4 but needs some extra kick (pun intended) to shed its nancy boy image. And the scoring is a little painful which makes it tougher to watch.