why didn't they play out the 2 seconds left on the clock after the field goal

[Logix]

<< they could just kick out of bounds that is why cuz there is no way you can get more than the kickoff out of 1 sec so it would be impossible for a RAM victory >>


I don't think they start the clock until someone from the other team touches the ball. At least, that's my recollection, I could be wrong.

It's not like anything would have happened, but it did seem to me that there was at least 1 or 2 seconds left after the ball went through the uprights.

 

[josphII]

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<< the more important question is why wasnt brady called for intentional grounding on that last possesion. outside the tackle my @ss >>


This is called spiking the ball or killing the clock. Perfectly legal since the quarterback is not under pressure and there are receivers within ten yards. >>



i didnt say last play , i said last possesion. the rams blitzed from the right side of their defense and brady threw it into the flat with no reciever anywhere in site. obviously intentional grounding, but no call!

 

[ShallowHal]

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<< the more important question is why wasnt brady called for intentional grounding on that last possesion. outside the tackle my @ss >>


This is called spiking the ball or killing the clock. Perfectly legal since the quarterback is not under pressure and there are receivers within ten yards. >>



i didnt say last play , i said last possesion. the rams blitzed from the right side of their defense and brady threw it into the flat with no reciever anywhere in site. obviously intentional grounding, but no call! >>



If the ball passes the line of scrimmage (which it did) you'll have a hard time getting that call. Much like when a quarterback throws an obious uncatchable ball out of the endzone or out of bounds. The key here is that it passed the line of scrimmage.



Edit: obious=obvious

 

[fatalbert]

it would be pointless, although quite amusing,

hehe,

people were stopping traffic outside my dorm last night in Boston, it was funny

 

[Cerebus451]

<< If the ball passes the line of scrimmage (which it did) you'll have a hard time getting that call. Much like when a quarterback throws an obious uncatchable ball out of the endzone or out of bounds. The key here is that it passed the line of scrimmage. >>


In this case, however, the ball was a good 15 yards behind the nearest receiver. The only time "passed the line of scrimmage" counts is if the QB is outside the tackles. As for Madden and Summerall missing this point, it doesn't surprise me. Anyone count the number of times Summerall called Warner "Favre"?

Also, to quote the official NFL rules (under Timing):


<< 1. The stadium game clock is official. In case it stops or is operating incorrectly, the Line Judge takes over the official timing on the field. >>


So, the clock on the field read 2 seconds, the game was not over. The clock keeper in the stadium goofed and let the time run off. There was time for a kickoff. As to whether or not it would have mattered, it definitely could have. The Rams have very talented return specialists. It's a long shot, but it is the Super Bowl and the Rams deserved at least the chance.

 

[reitz]

<< You would think the Rams would have noticed though. >>

You'd think...Or maybe it's possible that time actually did expire, and the Rams somehow knew it? :disgust:

 

[reitz]

<< So, the clock on the field read 2 seconds, the game was not over. >>

No, the clock Fox showed on your screen read two seconds. If you watch football regulary, you'll see descrepancies between the networks' time and the time displayed on the scoreboard in nearly every game.

 

[jpsj82]

<< OFFICIAL Time is kept on the field by the ref. Even if the scoreboard showed 1,2, 3 seconds, the timekeeper said time had expired.
I guarantee if there was a second or two left, they would have played it.
Especially, considering FOX would have to cut away for another round of $2million-a-spot commercials >>

I am glad to see someone around here nows the rules, but you did get one thing wrong. Commercial are not top dollar in the 4th quarter. The most exspensive ones go in the 1st quarter. And another note, I believe no commericals went over $2 million this year as they have in the past. I think the most were around 1.8

 

[Jay59express]

One other cheap thing in the game (I wasnt rooting for either team btw) was the interception for a touchdown, the guy who hit warner on the throw railed him in the head with his hand, which should have been a 15 yd penalty, and the interception would have not counted.
But you know the game was rigged, what was the theme of the whole thing? Patriots = red, white, blue
GREAT game though! Thats all I wanted to see, makes it interesting.

 

[jpsj82]

<< One other cheap thing in the game (I wasnt rooting for either team btw) was the interception for a touchdown, the guy who hit warner on the throw railed him in the head with his hand, which should have been a 15 yd penalty, and the interception would have not counted.
But you know the game was rigged, what was the theme of the whole thing? Patriots = red, white, blue
GREAT game though! Thats all I wanted to see, makes it interesting. >>

Oh shut up the game was not rigged.

 

[EmperorRob]

<< I believe kicking the ball out of bounds is a penalty of some sort on a kickoff. >>

Illegal Procedure.

Opposing team gets the ball on the 35 yd line (or 40; I can't remember).

 

[flavio]

Yeah the Rams coach should have been the first one to notice this.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Are you nice or bitter?

 

[jaydee]

<< OFFICIAL Time is kept on the field by the ref. Even if the scoreboard showed 1,2, 3 seconds, the timekeeper said time had expired. >>


Whenever there is a descrepency between the scoreboard and the official time, the ref announces to the scoreboard keepers to reset the clock at such and such a time. That did not happen prior to the play, so there was clearly 7 seconds left when the play started. If you knew anything about physics (projectile motion), the ball would have to have traveled quite a bit farther than 55-60 yards Vintari's kick went in order to take 7 seconds and saturate the remaining time (including the snap and hold).

BTW I'm a Jets fan, and it doesn't matter a whole lot to me whoever won, I just thought I'd let you know that the Rams did deserve 1 or 2 seconds. It amuses me to see all the people who think returning a kickoff for a TD is impossible. Not likely, but certainly not impossible.

 

[flavio]

<< It amuses me to see all the people who think returning a kickoff for a TD is impossible. Not likely, but certainly not impossible. >>



Yea, happens all the time.

I wanted the Patriots to win despite questioning how they got there as a Raiders fan. It just seems very odd that the Rams wouldn't want one last shot.

 

[snowdogg187]

cause it was all a fix

 

[flavio]

From an article at cbssportsline.com



<< Vinatieri didn't have much time to think about the winning kick as he ran onto the field with the clock stopped at 7 seconds. >>

 

[holden j caufield]

like I said 7 seconds left and a punt has more hangtime something around ~5 seconds. so the Rams should definitely have gotten a shot at it. But again how are the refs supposed to call everyone back off the field for the last kickoff. Yes a lateral or two would definitely have been attempted by the Rams. I'm also surprised so many people think it's impossible to score on the kickoff. Since Tennessee pulled off that lateral stuff not too long ago on the Bills.

 

[VirginiaDonkey]

woulda-shoulda-coulda

The pats would have squibb kicked it to some big fat lineman and that would have ended it anyway. Warner was the patriots MVP, he choked under the pressure, and the wide receivers got scared after getting popped a few times.
The Rams forgot about their RB....Marshall Faulk, and decided to pass 42 times or however many times they threw it.

I give the sad face for all the Ram/Raider fans

 

[MustPost]

<<he choked under the pressure, and the wide receivers got scared after getting popped a few times.>>

I don't know about chocked, did you see how his hand looked towards the end of the game?

 

[Dooling37]

FWIW, Wilbon and some other dude on Pardon The Interruption tonight agreed that the last two seconds absolutely should have been played (assuming the TV clock was the same as the officials. I have a hard time seeing how it wouldn't be, since everyone agrees the field goal play began with seven seconds left, or the officials would have had the timekeeper reset the clock. There is no way the kick took seven seconds.)
They also said that the Rams, and Martz in particular, should have been the first to notice and protested.

 

[broadwayblue]

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<< OFFICIAL Time is kept on the field by the ref. Even if the scoreboard showed 1,2, 3 seconds, the timekeeper said time had expired. >>


Whenever there is a descrepency between the scoreboard and the official time, the ref announces to the scoreboard keepers to reset the clock at such and such a time. That did not happen prior to the play, so there was clearly 7 seconds left when the play started. If you knew anything about physics (projectile motion), the ball would have to have traveled quite a bit farther than 55-60 yards Vintari's kick went in order to take 7 seconds and saturate the remaining time (including the snap and hold).

BTW I'm a Jets fan, and it doesn't matter a whole lot to me whoever won, I just thought I'd let you know that the Rams did deserve 1 or 2 seconds. It amuses me to see all the people who think returning a kickoff for a TD is impossible. Not likely, but certainly not impossible. >>



you are correct about the clock being reset to the correct time before the play starts when there is a discrepancy...but it is possible in this case that the clock was not started correctly when the ball was snapped for the kick...so if two seconds had gone by before the clock began to move and the official had started his own clock that could account for the two second discrepancy after the kick.

 

[raz]

Yeah, but his arm was moving forward.