Why didn't they make USB 3.0 reversible in the 1st place (instead of version C)?! PIC

[Ichinisan]

This is just as stupid and redundant as display port coming out when hdmi is the standard

I don't follow.

If I understand correctly, DisplayPort can do a lot of stuff that HDMI cannot. It's fully compatible with simple, passive adapters.

There's really nothing to comain about.

 

[Eug]

Who cares about the spec as long as it works?

It may not work 100% reliably, or even if it does, it may not work with all devices.

This is a common problem with long HDMI cables for example. Most long HDMI cables don't meet spec but may still work with some devices. Get a new device and suddenly you have problems.

Also, see below.

The extension connection adds more resistance / impedence, so without special materials and build quality, it would actually have problems with many devices even at less than 15' when an extension is involved.

Low power devices (like most keyboards) probably tolerate it fine. I've used a high-quality, shielded, not-very-long extension and had problems charging an iPhone (connected to a quality Apple iPad charger, not to a host PC).

 

[Rakehellion]

It may not work 100% reliably, or even if it does, it may not work with all devices.

This is a common problem with long HDMI cables for example. Most long HDMI cables don't meet spec but may still work with some devices. Get a new device and suddenly you have problems.

Also, see below.

If the spec only allows for 15-foot cables and you need one that's 30 feet, then the spec doesn't work. That's why people break spec. No one's forcing you to buy enhanced electronics.

 

[Eug]

The spec isn't just about distance. It's about signal integrity etc. Introducing an additional connection often wreaks havoc with that.

There were lots of even 6 foot cables that were likely out of spec or barely within spec. Add an extension and you can get serious problems with high bandwidth peripherals.

 

[Zodiark1593]

I just want to say something to people who comment on people having so much trouble on connecting the cable. It's not having so much trouble but having a little to furious trouble every time you need to use it is already a clearly bad design. The fact that a lot of people's having the same problem of turning upside down a couple of time if not lucky on the first shot is bad design. A connector should be as obvious as possible and not a chance on two to get it right.

If you have to look at the logo on the connector (black on black) to figure out which way is up or down, left or right (I never remembered this) to connect a squarish connector is stupid. You don't even know for sure if the manufacture respect that convention.

In the dark or in confine space (behind TV on wall), it becomes a frustrating experience. It's crazy to say but long time ago, those PC serial and parallel ports were easier to connect blind because you can't figure them out with touch.

When connect usb blind and your connector is a little bit damage or not aligned perfectly with the receptor, you become insane (Einstein definition of insanity)

As pointed out, Apple got them right with the new connector. Maybe the technology wasn't there but it's here now, get it done.

Seeing as the single sided USB port is in use literally everywhere (especially the 2.0), adoption for a non-backward compatible, double side variation will be inevitably slow. I'm talking at least another 5 years out here. Apple, having control over their own ecosystem is in a much better position to do so, not the case for anyone else.

Sorry, but we'll have to bear and grin for a little while longer.

Edit: Actually, I'd love for Thunderbolt to gain some ground. A low profile connector that is used on pcs and mobile devices would open the doors for true docking and use of powerful compute (video) cards.

 

[Eug]

^^ Thunderbolt is too expensive. I don't see it gaining widespread adoption.

 

[evident]

I don't follow.

If I understand correctly, DisplayPort can do a lot of stuff that HDMI cannot. It's fully compatible with simple, passive adapters.

There's really nothing to comain about.

As soon as hdmi fully saturated the market, tvs receivers etc all use hdmi, a new standard comes out and makes shit more complicated. I have a laptop that does hdmi, another that has display port. Same with two different monitors I got and don't forget dvi! It's frustrating and annoying to get adapters and dongles for everything. It's annoying for me, but it's probably more annoying for tech illiterate people. Now throw this new usb into the mix. Hooray!

 

[lamedude]

DP is royalty free, but only freetards will see that as a feature. Daisy chaining is nice feature if you use multiple displays.

 

[Rakehellion]

DisplayPort was for computers, HDMI was for TVs. And they weren't released all that far apart, so this "widespread adoption" business is bunk.

 

[CZroe]

DisplayPort was for computers, HDMI was for TVs. And they weren't released all that far apart, so this "widespread adoption" business is bunk.

Yeah. All monitors and many TVs had DVI then.

 

[Eug]

More reversible USB:

http://flipperusb.com/

You can actually buy these.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQr7_R-3SHM

 

[bearxor]

More reversible USB:

http://flipperusb.com/

You can actually buy these.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQr7_R-3SHM

I think people have just completely overlooked the link at the bottom of my post so here it is again. You an actually buy these right now as well:
http://biz.tigerdirect.com/p/cables...n-micro-usb-type-b-m-1-usb-hi-speed-usb-black

 

[Red Squirrel]

As soon as hdmi fully saturated the market, tvs receivers etc all use hdmi, a new standard comes out and makes shit more complicated. I have a laptop that does hdmi, another that has display port. Same with two different monitors I got and don't forget dvi! It's frustrating and annoying to get adapters and dongles for everything. It's annoying for me, but it's probably more annoying for tech illiterate people. Now throw this new usb into the mix. Hooray!

Yeah DP is completely useless and should not have come out, when there is already HDMI. I hate how everybody tries to come up with their own standard for stuff.

Sure you can use converter boxes and adapters but it just adds extra complexity to the mix.

Computers and TVs at this point should just use the same kind of display too, no use to having 2 separate ones.

 

[Red Squirrel]

More reversible USB:

http://flipperusb.com/

You can actually buy these.

Video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQr7_R-3SHM

Ha cool, it's just like the pic I posted earlier when I said that's how USB should have worked from the get go, cool that someone actually did it.

How do those work without a female port redesign though? The thickness of the pins would make it only work one way, no?

 

[SparkyJJO]

The extension connection adds more resistance / impedence, so without special materials and build quality, it would actually have problems with many devices even at less than 15' when an extension is involved.

Low power devices (like most keyboards) probably tolerate it fine. I've used a high-quality, shielded, not-very-long extension and had problems charging an iPhone (connected to a quality Apple iPad charger, not to a host PC).

But, it was an apple extension, which obviously means it is made of perfect, high quality parts, with no chance of defect!



The notch in their cords was pretty stupid.

 

[Ichinisan]

But, it was an apple extension, which obviously means it is made of perfect, high quality parts, with no chance of defect!



The notch in their cords was pretty stupid.

Not sure what you're trying to say. The extension in my scenario was not Apple brand. The charger was and the device were.


This wasn't even a data connection. Data connections to hard drives and such would be much more sensitive.

Xtenshuns r badd*

The notch was not "stupid." Without any printed documentation, it elegantly prevented people from assuming it was fine to use with a hard drive (or anything that could result in corruption, data loss, or damage).

*Unless used with basic input devices at reasonable lengths