Why did Microsoft fail with smartphones?

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mikeymikec

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1) they should have creamed Google in the smartphone operating system last decade.
they should have beaten Android when smartphones were coming of age.
Microsoft was many times bigger than Google at the time.

Google bought Android, something built for purpose. Microsoft tried to make their own. Guess which is quicker (and likely better) to do?

2) then They paid BIG $Billions$ to buy Nokia, the dominant smart phone manufacturer at the time of purchase.
Nokia is now worth ~$0. :eek:

WHAT HAPPENED?
incompetence?!
lack of Bill Gates leadership?

Microsoft's takeover of Nokia was ~2011. By then Nokia had lost their "dominant" status for quite some time... wait, you said, "dominant smart phone manufacturer"....? when the hell did that ever happen?

If MS wanted to carve out a large slice of the touch-screen market for themselves, they would have had to compete like their lives depended on it; throw all they could into R&D, poach plenty of clued-up people, saturate the market with advertising, make sure all the cool kids or execs were posing with MS devices, then *maybe* they could have got somewhere.

But they're too busy sitting on their laurels and copying their competitors to be of any interest.
 
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s44

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Same reason Intel did. Too attached to their super-profitable legacy business to make the necessary adaptations.
 

mikeymikec

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I'm not; MS has lacked decent direction for some time. They seem to blunder from one reactionary decision to the next with little thought/decision given to short or long-term goals.

The decision to take over Nokia seemed to have been borne of the idea: "We'd like to be as successful as Apple with the iPhone", so they did step 1 but gave no thought to what the next steps might involve.

I wonder whether MS's decision-making process has basically been a complete mess since Gates left (ie. if he had continued to run things, MS would be doing better now), or perhaps Gates simply left before he started feeling truly out of his depth?
 

Artdeco

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You know, I've been an Apple fanboy for some time, but I think we're going to see iPhone's market share worldwide erode to single digits. They'll still make a ton of money, but I think the market (and Android) has matured, "good enough" is pretty damn good.

And yeah, hell is a few degrees colder today :D
 

WelshBloke

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You know, I've been an Apple fanboy for some time, but I think we're going to see iPhone's market share worldwide erode to single digits. They'll still make a ton of money, but I think the market (and Android) has matured, "good enough" is pretty damn good.

And yeah, hell is a few degrees colder today :D
iOS bobs between 10% and 15% currently doesn't it? It's not much of a drop to get that below 10%.

I think that the market will end up consisting of various forks of android competing with each other eventually.

It is a real shame that Microsoft didn't sell more WP devices. That said I've never felt any compulsion to purchase a WP device myself so I can understand why the general public didn't.
 

Megatomic

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I'm heavily invested in the windows ecosystem at work and maintain a windows desktop at home so the idea of high end and useful windows phone (with a viable app ecosystem) is appealing to me. The 950XL was close, all it was lacking was the app ecosystem. :(
 

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I'm heavily invested in the windows ecosystem at work and maintain a windows desktop at home so the idea of high end and useful windows phone (with a viable app ecosystem) is appealing to me. The 950XL was close, all it was lacking was the app ecosystem. :(

And that's very unlikely to change, Android developers are pretty busy keeping up with all the different Android devices, and MS is pretty screwed, why develop anything for a platform with 1/2% of the market?

I've long felt MS should provide the developers and the $ to get major apps on the platform, it sure would have been cheaper than buying Nokia. Partner with SS, LG, HTC, and subsidize Windows phones development with them
 
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Compman55

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Micro$haft is not too late, the way mobile browsers are limited, and how most businesses use some type of windows, if there were only app devolopers interested, Microsoft could make a comeback.
 

biostud

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This might have something to do with it: http://arstechnica.com/information-...-all-how-windows-everywhere-finally-happened/

But otherwise they simply didn't have the correct business/developer model for mobile.
They didn't realize in time the money should come from a store and services instead of OS an Office. They didn't have the focus on design which apple has or the customization that andoid had.

Hopefully they will launch a surface phone so that I can upgrade my 920.

If they want a market, they should take over where blackberry left, with focus on business and security.

Make a platform that easily can integrate with business software, vpn etc.
 
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Artdeco

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You have to remember that Windows mobile (at one point long, long ago) was the number one mobile os in the US with 40% of the market.

They were just way too complacent about their competitors, then suffered from the inertia to change that MS always suffers. Microsoft has never been the most nimble of companies. They get there in the end but it takes them ages. This doesn't matter so much in a mature market where you're a big player but it can be fatal in a rapidly changing market. It just takes one disruptive force to make you have to reconsider all your plans, and the mobile market has been a succession of disruptive forces.

Yep, what really sold me on iPhones was the capacitive VS resistive touchscreen, I can't believe how long it took the other manufacturers to go capacitive.

Heck, my first smartphone didn't have a touchscreen at all, the HTC SDA, it was insane how hard it was to do anything with it.

http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/T-Mobile-SDA-HTC-Tornado-review_id1244/page/2

The MDA was resistive and worlds better.

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/HTC-Wizard-T-Mobile-MDA-i-mate-K-JAM-Cingular-8125-8100_id1349

And my first connected device was the Palm VIIx, Christ it was slow...

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palm_VIIx
 
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poofyhairguy

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Android sucked all the oxygen out of the room, covered all the price points, no where for other OS's to hide. Apple had gone/stayed upscale, and carved out a niche, but everyone else was suffocated.

It wasn't all Android. Windows Mobile didn't get the resources it needed to stay competitive. Updates didn't happen fast enough. What they are shipping as "Windows 10" should have been their 2012 OS.
 

Commodus

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There are a few reasons.

To start: Microsoft's initial approach to mobile was fundamentally wrong. It shoehorned some of the desktop Windows experience into a phone (Start buttons, really?). It assumed that smartphones would primarily be for business. The dependence on styluses and D-pads was partly due to the lack of practical capacitive touch, but Microsoft wasn't even trying to move to this technology on its own. It wasn't until Apple had success with the iPhone that Microsoft finally acknowledged that finger touch and everyday users might be worth considering.

Which brings me to my next point: it was too slow to react to the iPhone. Like with BlackBerry, Nokia and Palm, Microsoft's leadership simply didn't understand how much of a sea change the iPhone really was. The moment Steve Jobs left the Macworld 2007 stage, Microsoft should have been planning a total overhaul of Windows Mobile and hiring hundreds (if not thousands) of engineers to make the new platform a top priority. Instead, it made excuses (see Ballmer's infamous "the iPhone has no chance" quote), grafted pseudo-touch experiences on to the existing software and generally took its sweet time responding. By the time Windows Phone 7 was available, it was too late: the iPhone had trashed Microsoft's share, and Android was a bigger player as well.

This was made worse by what happened next: a horribly inconsistent strategy. Forcing people to upgrade to new devices to get Windows Phone 8. Releasing a flagship phone one year but not updating it the next. And an overeagerness to give into carrier pressure for exclusives instead of insisting that the big new handset should be available on every major network. Simply put, Microsoft's/Nokia's overriding message was "we will abandon you." Why would you stick to Windows Phone knowing that you'll have to switch devices to get the latest OS, or switch carriers to get the latest device?

In a sense, there was one overriding problem: Steve Ballmer. He put too much emphasis on desktop Windows, and everything the company did had to revolve around that. Windows Mobile had to be a reflection of (and subservient to) regular Windows. The phone team at Microsoft could never be allowed to overshadow the desktop team. Unlike Apple, which was willing to shift from being a PC-first company to mobile-first, Ballmer clung to the PC world like his life depended on it. He eventually admitted to missing the boat on mobile, but it's wild to think that he never really took it seriously for more than a decade on the job.

And then there's Ballmer's seemingly sincere belief that everyone is biologically preprogrammed to love Windows -- he often thought that just having Windows was enough to sell something (see the initial Surface "it's a PC!" line). No, Steve, most people use Windows on computers because they either don't care or have no choice. He didn't realize that mobile was an entirely different realm, and that Microsoft's PC monopoly wasn't the sign of a manifest destiny to rule the technology world for all eternity. It only took one superior product to knock Microsoft off its mobile perch.
 

Zaap

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To me it was a given.

M$ (and yes, under Balmer) failed to realize why people who actually chose to use Windows, did so. It wasn't because they wanted a walled garden, or a "me-too! me-too!" limited Apple experience.

I've yet to meet a single business user or Windows enthusiast that's jazzed for any iteration of Windows phone. (I'm sure there are some, just like *some*people used a zune.)

They failed to do what Android did- be the more useful, the more business-oriented mobile platform. It's pretty clear Balmer didn't understand mobile from the start, and had zero vision of it from a user standpoint- only from his dreams of Microsoft being dominant no matter what, corporate illusion standpoint.

That's pretty much what they did, made the Zune of the smartphone world.
 

Commodus

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To me it was a given.

M$ (and yes, under Balmer) failed to realize why people who actually chose to use Windows, did so. It wasn't because they wanted a walled garden, or a "me-too! me-too!" limited Apple experience.

I've yet to meet a single business user or Windows enthusiast that's jazzed for any iteration of Windows phone. (I'm sure there are some, just like *some*people used a zune.)

They failed to do what Android did- be the more useful, the more business-oriented mobile platform. It's pretty clear Balmer didn't understand mobile from the start, and had zero vision of it from a user standpoint- only from his dreams of Microsoft being dominant no matter what, corporate illusion standpoint.

That's pretty much what they did, made the Zune of the smartphone world.

That misunderstanding did affect it to a degree. It's not surprising that Microsoft would copy Apple, but it did so in the wrong ways. It was big on emulating the closed ecosystem, but didn't do much to pursue the ease of use, rich app ecosystem or tight hardware/software integration that actually helped Apple succeed.

The main thing, to me, is that Ballmer didn't realize how few people actively seek out Windows. He saw Windows as the 'inevitable' choice and didn't treat mobile with the proper level of urgency.
 

quikah

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I think there were a number of factors.

1. They were late to market, release in late 2010, iOS and Android had a big headstart
2. Lack of developer interest, this is related to 1. This leads to lack of adoption which, causes further lack of dev interest, this feeds on itself.
3. They pretty much reset the entire thing in 2012 with WP8 release, leaving all the WP7 users with no upgrade path other than buying a new phone.
4. Slow to get features. Really wasn't until later updates of WP8 that it was feature complete IMO.

It is a shame, it is a very good operating system. Was light years better than early android (lag, bloat, battery drain), but Android has finally gotten to the point at ~5.0 where it doesn't suck.
 

gorcorps

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I think there were a number of factors.

1. They were late to market, release in late 2010, iOS and Android had a big headstart
2. Lack of developer interest, this is related to 1. This leads to lack of adoption which, causes further lack of dev interest, this feeds on itself.
3. They pretty much reset the entire thing in 2012 with WP8 release, leaving all the WP7 users with no upgrade path other than buying a new phone.
4. Slow to get features. Really wasn't until later updates of WP8 that it was feature complete IMO.

It is a shame, it is a very good operating system. Was light years better than early android (lag, bloat, battery drain), but Android has finally gotten to the point at ~5.0 where it doesn't suck.

I think you mean late to the app based smartphone market specifically. I had several windows smartphones before the iPhone was even rumored.

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/HTC-Typhoon_id870
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/HTC-Star-Trek_id1619
 

midwestfisherman

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I had two Windows phones of which I liked the phones. The lack of apps killed it for me. Otherwise I'd still have a Windows phone.
 

Ketchup

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My take: Timing and Gate's stepping away.
In 2006, Gates stepped down as chairman and took with him the fast action that took MS to the top. And why shouldn't he? Has had (and still has) his billions. The very next year, we got the iphone. Microsoft's next release should have been Windows 8, but with Gates all but out of the picture, we got the safe option, 7. This would have put it only a few months behind the Android devices, where their devices were young enough for people to say "why"?

I am am not saving 7 wasn't a great OS, but it was the wrong choice for a company desiring a major share os the mobile space.
 

Commodus

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I think you mean late to the app based smartphone market specifically. I had several windows smartphones before the iPhone was even rumored.

http://www.phonearena.com/phones/HTC-Typhoon_id870
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/HTC-Star-Trek_id1619

Not even that, since there were third-party apps for phones before they hit iPhone's App Store in 2008. It's more a matter of the market before the iPhone, when smartphones primarily catered to business users, and everything after. Not that you couldn't rock a Windows Mobile phone or BlackBerry just because (the BB Pearl was designed for personal use), just that the very notion of building a smartphone primarily for everyday people was considered odd until Apple did it.
 

IamDavid

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Microsoft will get back into the game in early 2017.

3 Steps to relevance:
1) Purchase Sprint or anther national carrier.
2) Roll out Surface phones
3) Leverage Office 365 and phone business together to offer a truly killer enterprise phone option.

End result could be too good for any mid to large size corporation to pass up. Once the user base expands app developement will take off.

All this could be done for less than Balmer wasted on Nokia.