Why did Japenese engineering become focused on reverse engineering?

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Locut0s

What, aside from racial stereotypes, are you basing this opinion on?

15+ Years of personal experience and first hand knowledge. I am asking why the engineering of japenese embrasses this and the root cause of "copy" became engrained into said culture.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: eLiu

Originally posted by: astroidea
Uh the Japanese have plenty of innovation. The stuff nintendo puts out is friggen out of this world. The japanese are also leaders in robotics innovation. They come up with plenty of ingenius TV shows that are just absolutely hilarious.
The Japanese strikes me as a culture of people that pursues their hearts desires.
If you want to talk about the Chinese, now that's a totally different story. They're obsessed with shallow pursuits such as money, pride, and would give up freedom for security on a dime.

Who developed useful paper? compass? printing press? gunpowder? Oh right, that'd be the Chinese. Somewhere between hundreds to a thousand years before Europe had anything comparable... and in some cases the Europeans just stole it (gunpowder).

edit: China's problem was that it had 0 competition in the world for so many hundreds of years that they were lulled into a sense of superiority & dominance. Unification happened around the time of christ, and after that China bitchslapped most of the other peoples in the area. By the time any one realized what was going on, the rest of hte world passed them by.

Europeans had the advantage of many diverse peoples in the same area. Constantly fighting & competing with each other, driving forward innovation.

Who cares if you invent something if you can't make it useful... Gutenberg invented the only printing press that I'm concerned with. Anyways, I think Japanese sounds better than Chinese or Korean.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Locut0s

What, aside from racial stereotypes, are you basing this opinion on?

15+ Years of personal experience and first hand knowledge. I am asking why the engineering of japenese embrasses this and the root cause of "copy" became engrained into said culture.

As someone else said, money is made refining what is already possible. Being a true visionary usually means your heirs will live to see the fruits of your labor, while you won't.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: astroidea
If you want to talk about the Chinese, now that's a totally different story. They're obsessed with shallow pursuits and money, pride, and would give up freedom for security on a dime.

You'd be surprised at how, politically, the two cultures are similar. The Japanese may not have a dictatorship but they have a very strict penal code and 99.999% of the people that go to court are found guilty. They've also had, with the exception of a few months in the early 1990s, the same party ruling the country since the end of WWII. Before that they worshipped their emperor. Like China, the Japanese have a business culture and a social safety net is much weaker than in the West.

Actually Japan has a fairly well developed social safety net.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_welfare_in_Japan

The social stigma of relying on said net though is much much higher than in the west so people tend to do anything it takes to stay employed.

It's weaker than you think:

http://www.amazon.com/Poverty-...&qid=1248147967&sr=8-1

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: astroidea
If you want to talk about the Chinese, now that's a totally different story. They're obsessed with shallow pursuits and money, pride, and would give up freedom for security on a dime.

You'd be surprised at how, politically, the two cultures are similar. The Japanese may not have a dictatorship but they have a very strict penal code and 99.999% of the people that go to court are found guilty. They've also had, with the exception of a few months in the early 1990s, the same party ruling the country since the end of WWII. Before that they worshipped their emperor. Like China, the Japanese have a business culture and a social safety net is much weaker than in the West.

Actually Japan has a fairly well developed social safety net.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_welfare_in_Japan

The social stigma of relying on said net though is much much higher than in the west so people tend to do anything it takes to stay employed.

It's weaker than you think:

http://www.amazon.com/Poverty-...&qid=1248147967&sr=8-1

Product Description
In striking contrast to the large indigent population in Japan in the 1950s, very few Japanese live in poverty today. This book explains the Japanese government's decision to respond to poverty by promoting equality as the basis for a social compromise. Milly argues that to account for why and how political actors crafted a program that won acceptance, we must look beyond them and identify how they relied on knowledge and normative arguments. This book straddles theoretical fault lines in comparative politics by exploring the interactions among choice, language, knowledge, and institutions in policy processes, and has implications for the ongoing debate between proponents of rational choice theory as a universal explanation for the decisions of political actors and those who focus on historically or culturally specific conditions.

What are you trying to say here?

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Locut0s

What, aside from racial stereotypes, are you basing this opinion on?

15+ Years of personal experience and first hand knowledge. I am asking why the engineering of japenese embrasses this and the root cause of "copy" became engrained into said culture.

As someone else said, money is made refining what is already possible. Being a true visionary usually means your heirs will live to see the fruits of your labor, while you won't.

Sounds japanese to me, no honor. Basically you're justifying theft. There is no labor in stealing and there is no honor in a culture of stealing others ideas.

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: eLiu

Originally posted by: astroidea
Uh the Japanese have plenty of innovation. The stuff nintendo puts out is friggen out of this world. The japanese are also leaders in robotics innovation. They come up with plenty of ingenius TV shows that are just absolutely hilarious.
The Japanese strikes me as a culture of people that pursues their hearts desires.
If you want to talk about the Chinese, now that's a totally different story. They're obsessed with shallow pursuits such as money, pride, and would give up freedom for security on a dime.

Who developed useful paper? compass? printing press? gunpowder? Oh right, that'd be the Chinese. Somewhere between hundreds to a thousand years before Europe had anything comparable... and in some cases the Europeans just stole it (gunpowder).

edit: China's problem was that it had 0 competition in the world for so many hundreds of years that they were lulled into a sense of superiority & dominance. Unification happened around the time of christ, and after that China bitchslapped most of the other peoples in the area. By the time any one realized what was going on, the rest of hte world passed them by.

Europeans had the advantage of many diverse peoples in the same area. Constantly fighting & competing with each other, driving forward innovation.

I love it that whenever a prideful chinese nationalist tries to come up with something to try to justify that the chinese might actually be innovative cites a bunch of things from centuries ago. Guess what, technology and innovation have exploded since centuries ago at a geometric rate, and the chinese are far behind the curve. Chinese and innovation shouldn't even be in the same sentence, only except when not or centuries ago are in it too.

And oh sure, China's problem with innovation now is that they're too full of themselves of how friggen awesome they are. :roll:
I'm sure that's exactly what goes through their minds when they make counterfeit goods, or intentionally put toxic substitutes for their products just so they can make an extra buck, or when they're so obsessed with a sure fire way to making lots of money that they'd beat their kids, literally, until they're brainwashed that they'd end up being a nobody at a mcjob unless they go to an ivy league school.

<- chinese

 

[The Boston Dangler]

no way, it's the russians and chinese that have mastered the art of reverso-thefto-engineero.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: eLiu

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: eLiu

Originally posted by: spidey07
This seems to be so much a culture thing. But why do they focus so much on reverse engineering? The entire engineering culture of the country is based on reverse engineering. Don't get me wrong, there is much to be learned from that. But when your entire culture is based on copying innovation...well, i just have a problem with that.

I just don't get where integrity and honor can be had from taking another's idea, tweaking it and calling it Kaizen. You kaizen your own process and yokoten, but the entire culture is based on copying what somebody else has already done.

discuss

Like how their written language is a complete copy of Chinese? Yeah. They jacked that shit. Even the pronunciations of many of those words often sound like modified Chinese.

No offense but they made it sound better. So, yeah, the originators should be lauded but the innovators are what make things better. Imagine what the original wheel looked like...

Are you kidding? I can't stand the sound of Japanese... esp the girls you see on their TV shows. Screech screech.

Anyway my remark was mostly tongue-in-cheek. Back during... oh fuck I forgot which dynasty... but back some time ago maybe 800AD, Japan and China started communicating. They sent people to learn Chinese, and those people brought back a lot of Chinese culture with them. If you ever study Japanese architecture, art, and some aspects of theatre, you'll see that there are very close ties (esp architecture) to a certain period of ancient China (again I forgot which one). For the most part (really except the formal writing) things weren't copied exactly; the Japanese have put their own spin on it. Even the writing is in effect altered b/c the formal Chinese writing isn't common.

Also unsurprisingly I'm biased toward the language that I can understand... chinese sounds a helluva lot better.

I much better prefer Japanese to Chinese. Sorry. Also, a lot of Chinese change their first name when they come to America or adopt a Western name. That's because, with few exceptions, the Chinese name sounds weird. Japanese rarely do that. But I just like the Japanese language better. I will learn Chinese soon and be able to do a better comparison🙂.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: astroidea
If you want to talk about the Chinese, now that's a totally different story. They're obsessed with shallow pursuits and money, pride, and would give up freedom for security on a dime.

You'd be surprised at how, politically, the two cultures are similar. The Japanese may not have a dictatorship but they have a very strict penal code and 99.999% of the people that go to court are found guilty. They've also had, with the exception of a few months in the early 1990s, the same party ruling the country since the end of WWII. Before that they worshipped their emperor. Like China, the Japanese have a business culture and a social safety net is much weaker than in the West.

Actually Japan has a fairly well developed social safety net.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_welfare_in_Japan

The social stigma of relying on said net though is much much higher than in the west so people tend to do anything it takes to stay employed.

It's weaker than you think:

http://www.amazon.com/Poverty-...&qid=1248147967&sr=8-1

Product Description
In striking contrast to the large indigent population in Japan in the 1950s, very few Japanese live in poverty today. This book explains the Japanese government's decision to respond to poverty by promoting equality as the basis for a social compromise. Milly argues that to account for why and how political actors crafted a program that won acceptance, we must look beyond them and identify how they relied on knowledge and normative arguments. This book straddles theoretical fault lines in comparative politics by exploring the interactions among choice, language, knowledge, and institutions in policy processes, and has implications for the ongoing debate between proponents of rational choice theory as a universal explanation for the decisions of political actors and those who focus on historically or culturally specific conditions.

What are you trying to say here?

I read that book, front to back. There was a movement in the 1960s that melded all the various interests together that gave Japan the current social net it has today. However, the book was published in 1999 and the research stopped in the early 1990s, just as Japan was entering a massive recession that took them over a decade to get out of. One of the reasons why it took so long was because of the structure of the welfare system. Hence, the people felt the need to save rather than spend their way out of the recession, bringing about deflation. The Japanese also tried very hard to keep their "jobs-for life" system before abandoning it in 2002-2003. Now over 1/3 of the labor force is working part time, making a reform of the safety net system necessary.

 

[IEC]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Spartan Niner

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Locut0s

What, aside from racial stereotypes, are you basing this opinion on?

15+ Years of personal experience and first hand knowledge. I am asking why the engineering of japenese embrasses this and the root cause of "copy" became engrained into said culture.

As someone else said, money is made refining what is already possible. Being a true visionary usually means your heirs will live to see the fruits of your labor, while you won't.

Sounds japanese to me, no honor. Basically you're justifying theft. There is no labor in stealing and there is no honor in a culture of stealing others ideas.

Where did I say that was *my* view? Troll harder, spidey07.

As others have already pointed out, there is plenty of innovation in Japan. Innovation is a trait that is not unique to any particular ethnicity. Imitation/copying isn't either.

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: astroidea
If you want to talk about the Chinese, now that's a totally different story. They're obsessed with shallow pursuits and money, pride, and would give up freedom for security on a dime.

You'd be surprised at how, politically, the two cultures are similar. The Japanese may not have a dictatorship but they have a very strict penal code and 99.999% of the people that go to court are found guilty. They've also had, with the exception of a few months in the early 1990s, the same party ruling the country since the end of WWII. Before that they worshipped their emperor. Like China, the Japanese have a business culture and a social safety net is much weaker than in the West.

Actually Japan has a fairly well developed social safety net.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_welfare_in_Japan

The social stigma of relying on said net though is much much higher than in the west so people tend to do anything it takes to stay employed.

It's weaker than you think:

http://www.amazon.com/Poverty-...&qid=1248147967&sr=8-1

Product Description
In striking contrast to the large indigent population in Japan in the 1950s, very few Japanese live in poverty today. This book explains the Japanese government's decision to respond to poverty by promoting equality as the basis for a social compromise. Milly argues that to account for why and how political actors crafted a program that won acceptance, we must look beyond them and identify how they relied on knowledge and normative arguments. This book straddles theoretical fault lines in comparative politics by exploring the interactions among choice, language, knowledge, and institutions in policy processes, and has implications for the ongoing debate between proponents of rational choice theory as a universal explanation for the decisions of political actors and those who focus on historically or culturally specific conditions.

What are you trying to say here?

I read that book, front to back. There was a movement in the 1960s that melded all the various interests together that gave Japan the current social net it has today. However, the book was published in 1999 and the research stopped in the early 1990s, just as Japan was entering a massive recession that took them over a decade to get out of. One of the reasons why it took so long was because of the structure of the welfare system. Hence, the people felt the need to save rather than spend their way out of the recession, bringing about deflation. The Japanese also tried very hard to keep their "jobs-for life" system before abandoning it in 2002-2003. Now over 1/3 of the labor force is working part time, making a reform of the safety net system necessary.

I guess I'm just not convinced that Japan's welfare system is that much worse off than the USA's.

 

[Locut0s]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: eLiu

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: eLiu

Originally posted by: spidey07
This seems to be so much a culture thing. But why do they focus so much on reverse engineering? The entire engineering culture of the country is based on reverse engineering. Don't get me wrong, there is much to be learned from that. But when your entire culture is based on copying innovation...well, i just have a problem with that.

I just don't get where integrity and honor can be had from taking another's idea, tweaking it and calling it Kaizen. You kaizen your own process and yokoten, but the entire culture is based on copying what somebody else has already done.

discuss

Like how their written language is a complete copy of Chinese? Yeah. They jacked that shit. Even the pronunciations of many of those words often sound like modified Chinese.

No offense but they made it sound better. So, yeah, the originators should be lauded but the innovators are what make things better. Imagine what the original wheel looked like...

Are you kidding? I can't stand the sound of Japanese... esp the girls you see on their TV shows. Screech screech.

Anyway my remark was mostly tongue-in-cheek. Back during... oh fuck I forgot which dynasty... but back some time ago maybe 800AD, Japan and China started communicating. They sent people to learn Chinese, and those people brought back a lot of Chinese culture with them. If you ever study Japanese architecture, art, and some aspects of theatre, you'll see that there are very close ties (esp architecture) to a certain period of ancient China (again I forgot which one). For the most part (really except the formal writing) things weren't copied exactly; the Japanese have put their own spin on it. Even the writing is in effect altered b/c the formal Chinese writing isn't common.

Also unsurprisingly I'm biased toward the language that I can understand... chinese sounds a helluva lot better.

I much better prefer Japanese to Chinese. Sorry. Also, a lot of Chinese change their first name when they come to America or adopt a Western name. That's because, with few exceptions, the Chinese name sounds weird. Japanese rarely do that. But I just like the Japanese language better. I will learn Chinese soon and be able to do a better comparison🙂.

The main reason they change their name isn't that they sound weird :roll: but because westerners have difficulty pronouncing many Chinese syllables. Japanese has very few distinct syllables and westerners have an easier time pronouncing them correctly as they all tend to follow a similar one consonant one vowel pattern, ba,pa,ma etc...

 

[Yongsta]

Originally posted by: spidey07
This seems to be so much a culture thing. But why do they focus so much on reverse engineering? The entire engineering culture of the country is based on reverse engineering. Don't get me wrong, there is much to be learned from that. But when your entire culture is based on copying innovation...well, i just have a problem with that.

I just don't get where integrity and honor can be had from taking another's idea, tweaking it and calling it Kaizen. You kaizen your own process and yokoten, but the entire culture is based on copying what somebody else has already done.

discuss

Because they can beat the competition at their own game?

 

[puffff]

Originally posted by: spidey07
This seems to be so much a culture thing. But why do they focus so much on reverse engineering? The entire engineering culture of the country is based on reverse engineering. Don't get me wrong, there is much to be learned from that. But when your entire culture is based on copying innovation...well, i just have a problem with that.

I just don't get where integrity and honor can be had from taking another's idea, tweaking it and calling it Kaizen. You kaizen your own process and yokoten, but the entire culture is based on copying what somebody else has already done.

discuss

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Linked article has some insights why.

"The concentration of talent in manufacturing. The pursuit of excellence. The ferocious rivalry between Japan?s large electronics firms. The lingering relic of the country?s post-war catch-up mentality. "

" the old feudal habit of watching neighbours closely to see what behaviour the local war lord condoned or forbade had served modern society well."


I don't think there's anything wrong with building upon what others have already discovered. Sure, maybe it's not as glamorous as being the first to invent the car, but I'm glad people didn't stop there or we'd still be driving Model T's around.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: astroidea
If you want to talk about the Chinese, now that's a totally different story. They're obsessed with shallow pursuits and money, pride, and would give up freedom for security on a dime.

You'd be surprised at how, politically, the two cultures are similar. The Japanese may not have a dictatorship but they have a very strict penal code and 99.999% of the people that go to court are found guilty. They've also had, with the exception of a few months in the early 1990s, the same party ruling the country since the end of WWII. Before that they worshipped their emperor. Like China, the Japanese have a business culture and a social safety net is much weaker than in the West.

Actually Japan has a fairly well developed social safety net.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_welfare_in_Japan

The social stigma of relying on said net though is much much higher than in the west so people tend to do anything it takes to stay employed.

It's weaker than you think:

http://www.amazon.com/Poverty-...&qid=1248147967&sr=8-1

Product Description
In striking contrast to the large indigent population in Japan in the 1950s, very few Japanese live in poverty today. This book explains the Japanese government's decision to respond to poverty by promoting equality as the basis for a social compromise. Milly argues that to account for why and how political actors crafted a program that won acceptance, we must look beyond them and identify how they relied on knowledge and normative arguments. This book straddles theoretical fault lines in comparative politics by exploring the interactions among choice, language, knowledge, and institutions in policy processes, and has implications for the ongoing debate between proponents of rational choice theory as a universal explanation for the decisions of political actors and those who focus on historically or culturally specific conditions.

What are you trying to say here?

I read that book, front to back. There was a movement in the 1960s that melded all the various interests together that gave Japan the current social net it has today. However, the book was published in 1999 and the research stopped in the early 1990s, just as Japan was entering a massive recession that took them over a decade to get out of. One of the reasons why it took so long was because of the structure of the welfare system. Hence, the people felt the need to save rather than spend their way out of the recession, bringing about deflation. The Japanese also tried very hard to keep their "jobs-for life" system before abandoning it in 2002-2003. Now over 1/3 of the labor force is working part time, making a reform of the safety net system necessary.

I guess I'm just not convinced that Japan's welfare system is that much worse off than the USA's.

I said the West. The USA's is the worst in the West and primarily an exception to the Western welfare state. That is why we are trying to reform it now.

 

[Goosemaster]

with its focus pre-populated the mind has less reason to wander

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: astroidea
If you want to talk about the Chinese, now that's a totally different story. They're obsessed with shallow pursuits and money, pride, and would give up freedom for security on a dime.

You'd be surprised at how, politically, the two cultures are similar. The Japanese may not have a dictatorship but they have a very strict penal code and 99.999% of the people that go to court are found guilty. They've also had, with the exception of a few months in the early 1990s, the same party ruling the country since the end of WWII. Before that they worshipped their emperor. Like China, the Japanese have a business culture and a social safety net is much weaker than in the West.

Oh please, get over yourself with your western chauvinism. The Japanese were never a slouch and has always been one of the world's best in their business culture.

And as for social safety net, China is a fucking communist state, and I wouldn't say that exactly helps them in innovation either.

And what the hell are you trying to get at anyways? Japan isn't innovative because they share a similar penal code to China?

 

[IAteYourMother]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: Locut0s

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: astroidea
If you want to talk about the Chinese, now that's a totally different story. They're obsessed with shallow pursuits and money, pride, and would give up freedom for security on a dime.

You'd be surprised at how, politically, the two cultures are similar. The Japanese may not have a dictatorship but they have a very strict penal code and 99.999% of the people that go to court are found guilty. They've also had, with the exception of a few months in the early 1990s, the same party ruling the country since the end of WWII. Before that they worshipped their emperor. Like China, the Japanese have a business culture and a social safety net is much weaker than in the West.

Actually Japan has a fairly well developed social safety net.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_welfare_in_Japan

The social stigma of relying on said net though is much much higher than in the west so people tend to do anything it takes to stay employed.

It's weaker than you think:

http://www.amazon.com/Poverty-...&qid=1248147967&sr=8-1

Product Description
In striking contrast to the large indigent population in Japan in the 1950s, very few Japanese live in poverty today. This book explains the Japanese government's decision to respond to poverty by promoting equality as the basis for a social compromise. Milly argues that to account for why and how political actors crafted a program that won acceptance, we must look beyond them and identify how they relied on knowledge and normative arguments. This book straddles theoretical fault lines in comparative politics by exploring the interactions among choice, language, knowledge, and institutions in policy processes, and has implications for the ongoing debate between proponents of rational choice theory as a universal explanation for the decisions of political actors and those who focus on historically or culturally specific conditions.

What are you trying to say here?

I read that book, front to back. There was a movement in the 1960s that melded all the various interests together that gave Japan the current social net it has today. However, the book was published in 1999 and the research stopped in the early 1990s, just as Japan was entering a massive recession that took them over a decade to get out of. One of the reasons why it took so long was because of the structure of the welfare system. Hence, the people felt the need to save rather than spend their way out of the recession, bringing about deflation. The Japanese also tried very hard to keep their "jobs-for life" system before abandoning it in 2002-2003. Now over 1/3 of the labor force is working part time, making a reform of the safety net system necessary.

I guess I'm just not convinced that Japan's welfare system is that much worse off than the USA's.

I said the West. The USA's is the worst in the West and primarily an exception to the Western welfare state. That is why we are trying to reform it now.

w/e, I don't think not being socialist is necessarily a bad thing.

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: astroidea

Originally posted by: eLiu

Originally posted by: astroidea
Uh the Japanese have plenty of innovation. The stuff nintendo puts out is friggen out of this world. The japanese are also leaders in robotics innovation. They come up with plenty of ingenius TV shows that are just absolutely hilarious.
The Japanese strikes me as a culture of people that pursues their hearts desires.
If you want to talk about the Chinese, now that's a totally different story. They're obsessed with shallow pursuits such as money, pride, and would give up freedom for security on a dime.

Who developed useful paper? compass? printing press? gunpowder? Oh right, that'd be the Chinese. Somewhere between hundreds to a thousand years before Europe had anything comparable... and in some cases the Europeans just stole it (gunpowder).

edit: China's problem was that it had 0 competition in the world for so many hundreds of years that they were lulled into a sense of superiority & dominance. Unification happened around the time of christ, and after that China bitchslapped most of the other peoples in the area. By the time any one realized what was going on, the rest of hte world passed them by.

Europeans had the advantage of many diverse peoples in the same area. Constantly fighting & competing with each other, driving forward innovation.

I love it that whenever a prideful chinese nationalist tries to come up with something to try to justify that the chinese might actually be innovative cites a bunch of things from centuries ago. Guess what, technology and innovation have exploded since centuries ago at a geometric rate, and the chinese are far behind the curve. Chinese and innovation shouldn't even be in the same sentence, only except when not or centuries ago are in it too.

And oh sure, China's problem with innovation now is that they're too full of themselves of how friggen awesome they are. :roll:
I'm sure that's exactly what goes through their minds when they make counterfeit goods, or intentionally put toxic substitutes for their products just so they can make an extra buck, or when they're so obsessed with a sure fire way to making lots of money that they'd beat their kids, literally, until they're brainwashed that they'd end up being a nobody at a mcjob unless they go to an ivy league school.

<- chinese

Heh, I love it too when some chinese with no pride or non-chinese with no understanding of chinese culture bash whatever/everything chinese do. Like everything else in the world, the truth usually sit in the middle. Chinese are not the best and they are not the worst. It's like every other race in the world, they are just different with their own way of doing things, and one way is not necessary better or worse than the other.

And like it or not, Chinese as a country is growing faster than anyone else in the world economically. Their international influence is growing as well. In the next 10~50 years, we will be looking at the US, the EU and China as the 3 pillar in this world in terms of economic and political influence.

And yeah there are some $hit going on in China like counterfeit, toxic products, but yeah sure, Chinese is the only country whose $hit stinks. Which country caused the global crisis with greed and lack of regulation?

As for the OP, why Japanese focuse on reverse engineering? Well that's because they are behind in the technologies they are trying to copy, and it cost less and is less risky to copy existing stuff that works and improve on it. Just like American is behind in manufacturing and they have to copy Japanese manufacturing concept to be competitive. Everybody copies stuff when they are behind, Japanese/Chinese are not the only one.

Anyone who think their race/culture don't do reverse engineering (or anything else that's negative for that matter) is just full of themselves and need a wakeup call.

 

[Lean L]

Originally posted by: IAteYourMother

Originally posted by: eLiu

Originally posted by: astroidea
Uh the Japanese have plenty of innovation. The stuff nintendo puts out is friggen out of this world. The japanese are also leaders in robotics innovation. They come up with plenty of ingenius TV shows that are just absolutely hilarious.
The Japanese strikes me as a culture of people that pursues their hearts desires.
If you want to talk about the Chinese, now that's a totally different story. They're obsessed with shallow pursuits such as money, pride, and would give up freedom for security on a dime.

Who developed useful paper? compass? printing press? gunpowder? Oh right, that'd be the Chinese. Somewhere between hundreds to a thousand years before Europe had anything comparable... and in some cases the Europeans just stole it (gunpowder).

edit: China's problem was that it had 0 competition in the world for so many hundreds of years that they were lulled into a sense of superiority & dominance. Unification happened around the time of christ, and after that China bitchslapped most of the other peoples in the area. By the time any one realized what was going on, the rest of hte world passed them by.

Europeans had the advantage of many diverse peoples in the same area. Constantly fighting & competing with each other, driving forward innovation.

Who cares if you invent something if you can't make it useful... Gutenberg invented the only printing press that I'm concerned with. Anyways, I think Japanese sounds better than Chinese or Korean.

Chinese probably sounds like the most standard and up to code language (yes, subjective). The problem is that chinese people do not speak proper chinese. The proper PR chinese sounds just like any other language when spoken, which it never is thanks to the hundreds of dialects present.

Something else to note about these RE countries is how inefficient they are sometimes. I've lived in China for a number of years and let me say, if you think chinese products are bad here, you haven't seen anything. They make RE'd and couterfeit products that are of shit quality and it becomes the new standard in the country. As an example, if you buy a packaged disc of any kind, expect the plastic to break on the jewel case the first time you open it.

And of course, china is numero uno in terms of piracy, yet MS was able to bend them over and play a sick game of bondage until they begged for forgiveness. Close to all of their MS software was pirated yet most of china did not turn off auto update or find the many many WGA exploits available out there. I don't pirate, but back when I needed an OS to test one of my friend's linux boxes, I turned off auto update first and foremost then disabled WGA. I did that probably three years before MS took out china. The leading country in piracy whined about not being able to use their computers when they could have easily prevented this themselves. Some chinese people have even gone as far as to call MS hackers. I mean seriously, they COULD have prevented this if they were smarter about it, hell the government sure as hell didn't care (Not that I condome piracy).

There is something with the RE cultures that really hold them back.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: Safeway
Haven't you seen that reverse engineering movie? What's it called -- Timeline?

Paycheck I believe.

 

[TehMac]

Originally posted by: Phokus
This is spidey07, hasn't the forum realized that this idiot will say just about anything without any evidence to back up his claims? He spouts so much nonsense that i almost believe it's intentional now.

LOL! :laugh:

 

[DaveSimmons]

America has yet to build a single 30+-foot-tall piloted robot, yet alone a multi-piloted giant robot that assembles from other vehicles.

Japan innovates while America just whimpers in envy of their giant robots!

 

[lxskllr]

Originally posted by: DaveSimmons
America has yet to build a single 30+-foot-tall piloted robot, yet alone a multi-piloted giant robot that assembles from other vehicles.

Japan innovates while America just whimpers in envy of their giant robots!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NWBKSO4DvWk