Why did BP get all the blame for the oil spill and not government?

Anarchist420

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I was wondering, because the US government really was being an irresponsible land owner.

In addition to the US Government fucking up, you also have OPEC(ountries, not companies), which drives the price of oil up.

So why did most of the blame go to BP when in a stateless world, or even under the Articles of Confederation (provided the States had their oceans individually owned) the whole thing couldn't have happened?

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RightIsWrong

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The only thing irresponsible the government did as land owners was to allow private companies with nothing but profit as a motive, to drill it for oil.

If the company cared about the processes and the safety requirement that the government put in place, that they themselves claim to abide by and that the population as a whole deserves that they follow, the spill would not have happened.
 

ericlp

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The only time the government get's blamed is after the second or third time. I'm sure the majority of the oil rigs out there don't have any type of disaster plan.

Sex and Coke in the government offices again? Business as usual? You bet!

Anyone wanna place some bets on who's gonna get blamed next? Shell? Chevron?
 

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The gov had regulations in place.

BP and the contractors did not follow them to the letter.
 

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Most inspections are to see if they say they are following the regs.

Inspectors are not going to verify that the slurry is the proper mixture.
They are going to look at the logs that they slurry was tested by the contractors.

They are not going to inspect all the welds.
They are looking at the logs that stated all the welds were xrayed and inspected.
 

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Why blame the government when it is obviously the oil companies who own the government? The American people voted for lax regulations and they got lax regulations. They supported the industry's freedom to do as they please, the industry lobbied congress to do as they pleased, and I would no more blame the government then I would blame my car for a pothole in the road. Certainly my car might have contributed to the pothole existing, but blaming my car isn't going to fix the pothole or prevent new ones.
 
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Bateluer

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The big reason? A democrat in the Oval Office. If President Bush had been in office still, people would be calling for his head on a pike. Again. Instead, we have Obama in office. So the disaster gets downplayed and swept under the rug.

Notice that its barely discussed in the news any more? Recall that Katrina was discussed daily for years afterward.

Just part of the double standard.
 

CanOWorms

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The British government received a lot of criticism for its role in the disaster. Please feel free to redirect some blame to them.
 

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The British government received a lot of criticism for its role in the disaster. Please feel free to redirect some blame to them.


Why mess with all the middlemen. Yeah, it might be fun for a little while, but shit rolls down hill anyway and as long as you pile it at the top where it belongs you know it will hit everyone else on the way down.
 

Darwin333

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I was wondering, because the US government really was being an irresponsible land owner.

In addition to the US Government fucking up, you also have OPEC(ountries, not companies), which drives the price of oil up.

So why did most of the blame go to BP when in a stateless world, or even under the Articles of Confederation (provided the States had their oceans individually owned) the whole thing couldn't have happened?

http://mises.org/Community/blogs/to...responsible-resource-owner-is-overlooked.aspx

The .gov does deserve a small portion of the blame (actual spill, they fucked up royally on the cleanup that the US Government had full control over with someone else picking up the tab) but not for any of the reasons you state. There is nothing irresponsible about leasing your land to someone else so that they can exploit the minerals beneath it and give you a cut of the profit, that is kind of the way it usually works.

The states biggest issue, specifically Louisiana, is they were and are getting fucked out of revenue sharing even though the state and its residents are the ones that willingly bear the actual risks.

To the people that say we shouldn't be drilling anyway, I would love to see the pipelines out of the GOM shut down for a week or two on your behalf. I guarantee you will have a different opinion very quickly.
 

Darwin333

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Most inspections are to see if they say they are following the regs.

Inspectors are not going to verify that the slurry is the proper mixture.
They are going to look at the logs that they slurry was tested by the contractors.

They are not going to inspect all the welds.
They are looking at the logs that stated all the welds were xrayed and inspected.

I am sure the hookers and blow provided to the inspectors didn't hurt either...
 

Darwin333

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The only thing irresponsible the government did as land owners was to allow private companies with nothing but profit as a motive, to drill it for oil.

If the company cared about the processes and the safety requirement that the government put in place, that they themselves claim to abide by and that the population as a whole deserves that they follow, the spill would not have happened.

About half of that is actually true.

One could also say that the population as a whole deserves that the .Gov not be enticed to overlook the regulations it had put into place in exchange for hookers and blow.

The absolute biggest factor to the spill was onsight human error by a couple of people not very high up (running a rig and running BP are worlds apart). The second largest factor, after the rig blew up, (as I originally thought) tons of pipe and rig sinking and jamming into the rams causing them not to function properly. IMHO, that is more human error because they could have closed the sheer rams earlier but instead relied on backups because once you close the sheer rams the well is almost always useless. The pipe that is still in the hole falls to the bottom and gets all kinds of twisted and bent which makes extracting it extremely difficult and often impossible (depending on the amount of pipe in the hole, depth of the hole, tools on the end, etc.). On the rigs I worked on the protocol was for the toolpusher to close the sheers right before he got on the boat (supposedly the last man to get on the boat, I would have to see it to believe it though) after the rig had been abandoned due to all friggen hell breaking loose. We didn't have half of the fancy shit they did tough, it was an actual lever right next to the ladder you used to get onto the crew boats with another one on the rig floor and sometimes another in the toolpushers/company mans office (all of them actually had levers for all 3 rams not just the sheers).

Bottom line is that it was a one in a bajillion chance caused 95% by human error on sight. Some asshole was probably trying to get an attaboy for getting the rig moving a day early after completing the hole. If they wouldn't have removed the mud prematurely I doubt we would be talking about this. That wasn't a decision made by the .gov and I highly doubt it was made by anyone high up in BP, it was likely made by the company man who was the guy in charge (employed by BP, not the rig owners) on the rig.

As far as the rest, are you suggesting that the .gov get into the oil drilling business or that private companies shouldn't be profit driven?
 

Infohawk

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The British government received a lot of criticism for its role in the disaster. Please feel free to redirect some blame to them.

Nah it was mostly just you, loon. Remember how you wanted Obama to attack Big Ben? CanLOLWorms.
 

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I dont follow politics but I turned on the TV and it was a news channel. and some guy on there who I guess owns some sort of shallow oil drilling got told to stop drilling as well as said a ton of other rigs got shut down by the goverment.

And now gas prices are going up, so why are we stopping drilling?
 

Darwin333

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I dont follow politics but I turned on the TV and it was a news channel. and some guy on there who I guess owns some sort of shallow oil drilling got told to stop drilling as well as said a ton of other rigs got shut down by the goverment.

And now gas prices are going up, so why are we stopping drilling?

Tons of small businesses have or are going out of business as we speak too. Those rigs require a TON of support which is usually provided by small businesses. The people who were literally most affected by the actual oil spill are saying that the moratorium is 10 times worse than the spill itself. I have rode through a few towns that look darn near abandoned and it isn't because of the spill itself...

BTW, drilling won't make gas any cheaper but it will affect who we buy it from and provide tons of very good paying jobs to our own people. As far as the environmental issues, other than perhaps Canada, I wonder who is more concerned about the environment us or the people we buy it from?
 

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Tons of small businesses have or are going out of business as we speak too. Those rigs require a TON of support which is usually provided by small businesses. The people who were literally most affected by the actual oil spill are saying that the moratorium is 10 times worse than the spill itself. I have rode through a few towns that look darn near abandoned and it isn't because of the spill itself...

BTW, drilling won't make gas any cheaper but it will affect who we buy it from and provide tons of very good paying jobs to our own people. As far as the environmental issues, other than perhaps Canada, I wonder who is more concerned about the environment us or the people we buy it from?
Yep, the only 2 ways to make gas cheaper is a strong, stable currency and ending water socialism. But neither will happen anytime soon, so it's damned if we allow drilling, damned if we don't.

I've read that Obama said that high gas prices were good. Before I heard that he said that, he was joking about the price of oil.
 

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The big reason? A democrat in the Oval Office. If President Bush had been in office still, people would be calling for his head on a pike. Again. Instead, we have Obama in office. So the disaster gets downplayed and swept under the rug.

Notice that its barely discussed in the news any more? Recall that Katrina was discussed daily for years afterward.

Just part of the double standard.

Gee, I wonder why a hurricane that killed almost 2,000 people and destroyed a major American city was talked about more than an oil spill that killed 11 people.

Clearly the answer is a sinister librul plot.
 

Londo_Jowo

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No it hasn't.

Go tell that to the workers who lost their jobs as well as potential jobs that have been lost.

Hasn't affect the company for whom I work as they have a presence in Brazil and currently bidding on equipment sales for the planned platforms. They supplied major equipment on the last 10 platforms that Petrobras built.
 

Tom

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Go tell that to the workers who lost their jobs as well as potential jobs that have been lost.

Hasn't affect the company for whom I work as they have a presence in Brazil and currently bidding on equipment sales for the planned platforms. They supplied major equipment on the last 10 platforms that Petrobras built.

Unless demand for oil dried up, postponing drilling doesn't have a negative impact in the long run, it more than likely has a positive effect.

And after watching the hearings on the spill, and the lack of responsibilty of many firms, and the good practices of some, a bit of time to sort out who does their job right and who doesn't seems prudent to me.

Hopefully some weeding out occurred.