Why Democrats should pack the courts.

[theeedude]

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...r-id-law-for-native-americans-in-north-dakota

Chief Judge Daniel Hovland, of the U.S. District Court for North Dakota, cited Tuesday’s midterm election in his decision to reject the emergency request for temporary relief from the requirement to provide proof of a residential address.

Hovland, an appointee of former President George W. Bush, stated, "The federal courts are unanimous in their judgment that it is highly important to preserve the status quo when elections are fast approaching."

Native Americans argue they are disenfranchised by the law because residents of reservations don't have standard addresses.

So Native Americans who don't have traditional street addresses at reservations are having their vote stolen, and Republican appointee judge is saying it's more important that status quo that allows this to happen be preserved than to protect their rights.
Only court packing by Democrats can save the American democracy.
Here is the picture of the election thief judge in question for public shaming:

 

[Maxima1]

They should pack it for a lot of reasons. Something needs to be done with how undemocratic the US is and how it's going to get worse in several ways if nothing is done about it. It's really fucked up how we could actually be better off with Trump winning, since Democrats probably wouldn't have gained the Senate in the hypothetical that Comey didn't intervene Then we would have careened to a bloodbath resulting in more lost governor mansions, the House for another decade, the Senate for a number of cycles, 2020 election, and the SC.

https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/1058039553242484736

On Earth-2, where the winner of the popular vote wins the presidential election, what's your best guess for:
1. What the Clinton administration is running on?
2. What the Republicans are running on?
3. What the electoral results are?

I'll go first: 1. The economy. The economy. The economy.
2. Emails, investigations, and, with an opposition Congress, the sense that Clinton can't get anything done and politics is meaner than ever.
3. Republicans pick up a few seats in the House, get up to 58 or 60 in Senate.

They love the poorly educated.

 

[Jhhnn]

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate...r-id-law-for-native-americans-in-north-dakota


So Native Americans who don't have traditional street addresses at reservations are having their vote stolen, and Republican appointee judge is saying it's more important that status quo that allows this to happen be preserved than to protect their rights.
Only court packing by Democrats can save the American democracy.
Here is the picture of the election thief judge in question for public shaming:

Or N Dakotans could just vote the way they always have. Tribal ID's were good enough two years ago. The judge defends the law as if it weren't new, when it is.

 

[Jhhnn]

They should pack it for a lot of reasons. Something needs to be done with how undemocratic the US is and how it's going to get worse in several ways if nothing is done about it. It's really fucked up how we could actually be better off with Trump winning, since Democrats probably wouldn't have gained the Senate in the hypothetical that Comey didn't intervene Then we would have careened to a bloodbath resulting in more lost governor mansions, the House for another decade, the Senate for a number of cycles, 2020 election, and the SC.

That's ridiculous. We wouldn't have 2 right wingers on the SCOTUS & stacked thru the federal judiciary. We wouldn't have a crippled EPA or State Dept. We wouldn't have budget busting tax cuts for the rich. We'd still have the Iran deal & the irbm treaty. We wouldn't be in a trade war. We wouldn't have a Special Counsel. That's just off the top of my head.

Trump as President if a multifaceted disaster that's still unfolding.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Why shouldn't the GOP just stack the Supreme Court over the course of the next 2 years?

Why the hell don't they have street addresses on the reservations? Is there a reason for it? Why not get them in time for the next elections? To much to ask for ? Would it give Socialists one less thing to cry about?

 

[ivwshane]

Why shouldn't the GOP just stack the Supreme Court over the course of the next 2 years?

Why the hell don't they have street addresses on the reservations? Is there a reason for it? Why not get them in time for the next elections? To much to ask for ? Would it give Socialists one less thing to cry about?

Umm they are stacking the court. What do you think they were doing when they didn't give Obama's nomination a hearing? What do you think they were doing by removing the filibuster for SC nominations? What do you think they were doing when they stalled lower court appointments under Obama by a record amount?

You would probably see all these things if your head wasn't buried in the sand.

 

[Maxima1]

That's ridiculous. We wouldn't have 2 right wingers on the SCOTUS & stacked thru the federal judiciary. We wouldn't have a crippled EPA or State Dept. We wouldn't have budget busting tax cuts for the rich. We'd still have the Iran deal & the irbm treaty. We wouldn't be in a trade war. We wouldn't have a Special Counsel. That's just off the top of my head.

Trump as President if a multifaceted disaster that's still unfolding.

Please. She wouldn't have gotten any through during her term, and we would likely see an empowered Republican party for a number of reasons. Because of Trump's incompetence and immense corruption, we may be looking at some large gains that would have never happened, and we have ample cover to do the bold SC packing maneuver. There's about a ~20% chance this could start going the other way next week, though.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Umm they are stacking the court. What do you think they were doing when they didn't give Obama's nomination a hearing? What do you think they were doing by removing the filibuster for SC nominations? What do you think they were doing when they stalled lower court appointments under Obama by a record amount?

You would probably see all these things if your head wasn't buried in the sand.

Wrong, but nice partisan try.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_Procedures_Reform_Bill_of_1937

 

[ivwshane]

Wrong, but nice partisan try.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judicial_Procedures_Reform_Bill_of_1937

Congrats on missing the point jackass.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Congrats on missing the point jackass.

Congrats on your being wrong again.

 

[Paratus]

North Dakota is no longer a democracy

 

[rommelrommel]

Please. She wouldn't have gotten any through during her term, and we would likely see an empowered Republican party for a number of reasons. Because of Trump's incompetence and immense corruption, we may be looking at some large gains that would have never happened, and we have ample cover to do the bold SC packing maneuver. There's about a ~20% chance this could start going the other way next week, though.

A theoretical Clinton administration would have appointed zero justices? Huh?

 

[woolfe9998]

They should definitely pack it. I've been of that opinion for awhile now. Look, it's a terrible thing. The GOP could do it later on, and so on. We could have 40 justices. But they've brought this on themselves, and on all of us. They literally stole a seat during Obama's last year. Then they voted in a nominee for whom there were several very good reasons not to.

I also agree with the OP that these far right conservative judges are imperiling democracy by doing what rank and file conservatives, as well as conservative pols, do - putting party and ideology before both country and democracy. This cannot stand. When the dems retake power, they need to do whatever they can legally do to unfuck this country, as quickly as possible. I don't even care about the conservative backlash anymore. We're already in a cultural/political war for the heart, soul and future of this country, and we need to win it.

 

[trenchfoot]

They should definitely pack it. I've been of that opinion for awhile now. Look, it's a terrible thing. The GOP could do it later on, and so on. We could have 40 justices. But they've brought this on themselves, and on all of us. They literally stole a seat during Obama's last year. Then they voted in a nominee for whom there were several very good reasons not to.

I also agree with the OP that these far right conservative judges are imperiling democracy by doing what rank and file conservatives, as well as conservative pols, do - putting party and ideology before both country and democracy. This cannot stand. When the dems retake power, they need to do whatever they can legally do to unfuck this country, as quickly as possible. I don't even care about the conservative backlash anymore. We're already in a cultural/political war for the heart, soul and future of this country, and we need to win it.

Very well said woolfe. Much better than I ever could. :beer:

 

[Chocu1a]

Umm they are stacking the court. What do you think they were doing when they didn't give Obama's nomination a hearing? What do you think they were doing by removing the filibuster for SC nominations? What do you think they were doing when they stalled lower court appointments under Obama by a record amount?

You would probably see all these things if your head wasn't buried in your ass.

ftfy

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Why shouldn't the GOP just stack the Supreme Court over the course of the next 2 years?

Why the hell don't they have street addresses on the reservations? Is there a reason for it? Why not get them in time for the next elections? To much to ask for ? Would it give Socialists one less thing to cry about?

So if the Chief/Tribal counsel said you live on street 1, you live on street 2, you live on street 3 and so on. You’d be okay with that? How does that make the election more secure?

 

[fskimospy]

They should definitely pack it. I've been of that opinion for awhile now. Look, it's a terrible thing. The GOP could do it later on, and so on. We could have 40 justices. But they've brought this on themselves, and on all of us. They literally stole a seat during Obama's last year. Then they voted in a nominee for whom there were several very good reasons not to.

I also agree with the OP that these far right conservative judges are imperiling democracy by doing what rank and file conservatives, as well as conservative pols, do - putting party and ideology before both country and democracy. This cannot stand. When the dems retake power, they need to do whatever they can legally do to unfuck this country, as quickly as possible. I don't even care about the conservative backlash anymore. We're already in a cultural/political war for the heart, soul and future of this country, and we need to win it.

I agree, you can’t have a system where only one side plays by the rules and that’s what we currently have. While fighting back could definitely lead to the destruction of the system it could also lead to Republicans realizing that cheating has costs. If we do nothing the system is gone for sure.

 

[Thebobo]

But what can I do sitting at my computer? And serioley what can any of us do other then organize and vote. I guess we could try and become filthy rich and buy our way to power?

 

[FIVR]

The problem with Democrats is they don't have party loyalty. Many traitors are amongst them who would gladly backstab any effort to pack the courts. Manchin is such a traitor.


These traitors must be dealt with or the Democrats need to retain a 10+ seat majority if they want to get anything done.

 

[Bitek]

They should pack it for a lot of reasons. Something needs to be done with how undemocratic the US is and how it's going to get worse in several ways if nothing is done about it. It's really fucked up how we could actually be better off with Trump winning, since Democrats probably wouldn't have gained the Senate in the hypothetical that Comey didn't intervene Then we would have careened to a bloodbath resulting in more lost governor mansions, the House for another decade, the Senate for a number of cycles, 2020 election, and the SC.

https://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/1058039553242484736

On Earth-2, where the winner of the popular vote wins the presidential election, what's your best guess for:
1. What the Clinton administration is running on?
2. What the Republicans are running on?
3. What the electoral results are?

I'll go first: 1. The economy. The economy. The economy.
2. Emails, investigations, and, with an opposition Congress, the sense that Clinton can't get anything done and politics is meaner than ever.
3. Republicans pick up a few seats in the House, get up to 58 or 60 in Senate.

They love the poorly educated.

I had suggested back in the 2016 election threads that there was a silver lining for Ds to Trump winning in 2016 as 2020 will be a critical election for the next decade.

1. Hillary was a weak candidate, highly polarizing and likely to result in endless investigation from any R Congress.

2. If, by some miracle, Ds won all of Congress in 2016, the 2018 midterms would have surely been a bloodbath, still leading to the above

3. Result would have carried terrible momentum into 2020. Hillary surely losing a 2nd term and potentially terrible down ballot results, setting Ds up for a terrible redistricting cycle and a decade of gerrymandering and R exploitation.

4. Trump was a gift to the Ds due to his baggage, controversy, corruption and incompetence.

5. Ds holding power in the run up to the 2020 election can flip the table (if they don't blow it)

The hope is that we can survive 2-4 yrs of Trump, and be setup for the next decade.

Fortunately Trump and the R Congress has proved incredibly incompetent at actually passing legislation and enacting their agenda, so if Ds can get the house, the worst damages can be mitigated.

 

[fskimospy]

The problem with Democrats is they don't have party loyalty. Many traitors are amongst them who would gladly backstab any effort to pack the courts. Manchin is such a traitor.


These traitors must be dealt with or the Democrats need to retain a 10+ seat majority if they want to get anything done.

Joe Manchin is an enormous asset to the Democratic Party. We like him exactly where he is, thanks.

 

[Jhhnn]

Please. She wouldn't have gotten any through during her term, and we would likely see an empowered Republican party for a number of reasons. Because of Trump's incompetence and immense corruption, we may be looking at some large gains that would have never happened, and we have ample cover to do the bold SC packing maneuver. There's about a ~20% chance this could start going the other way next week, though.

McConnell would have been stuck with Garland, just for starters. It's hard to see the GOP as more empowered than they are now. Dems need the whole thing to change the number of justices, something that wouldn't be necessary had Trump not won. The rest of what I offered stands as obvious.

The whole proposition as you put it is counting our chickens before they hatch.

 

[FIVR]

Joe Manchin is an enormous asset to the Democratic Party. We like him exactly where he is, thanks.

He's useful in that he occupies an otherwise reliable Republican seat, but he's not a reliable vote on anything. I guess you're right but my point is Democrats are much more liable than Republicans to being peeled off and voting for other party bullshit like the Tax plan/

 

[Jhhnn]

1. Hillary was a weak candidate, highly polarizing and likely to result in endless investigation from any R Congress.

A weak candidate wouldn't have won the popular vote.

 

[fskimospy]

He's useful in that he occupies an otherwise reliable Republican seat, but he's not a reliable vote on anything. I guess you're right but my point is Democrats are much more liable than Republicans to being peeled off and voting for other party bullshit like the Tax plan/

He is a very reliable vote when it counts, which is what matters. I would have bet a great deal of money that if Manchin’s vote had been the deciding one on Kavanaugh he would have voted against him, for example.